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1d4chan>PrettyPollyPennington: Just put an end to the clusterfuck. Some of the stuff in the article was interesting, but I agree. Lets streamline. Is this okay?

2019-05-11T20:01:00Z

Just put an end to the clusterfuck. Some of the stuff in the article was interesting, but I agree. Lets streamline. Is this okay?

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	'''Factions'''		'''Factions'''

	Space Marines are rebalanced around being an Elite unit army, with their Tactical Space Marines taking 3 population ~~(from 2 in the base game)~~.		Space Marines are rebalanced around being an Elite unit army, with their Tactical Space Marines taking 3 population.

	Chaos forces play similarly to the Space Marines, but with a greater focus on melee combat and daemonic support units. Their vehicle choices are more limited than the Space Marines, but versatility in units like the Defiler allow one unit to cover many roles.		Chaos forces play similarly to the Space Marines, but with a greater focus on melee combat and daemonic support units. Their vehicle choices are more limited than the Space Marines, but versatility in units like the Defiler allow one unit to cover many roles.
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	Removal of the Fire on the Move Accuracy Penalty implemented in Dark Crusade, thus the original game's 'run and shoot' unit control is emphasized.		Removal of the Fire on the Move Accuracy Penalty implemented in Dark Crusade, thus the original game's 'run and shoot' unit control is emphasized.

			'''Map Control'''

			Capture rates were reduced making it faster to take and re-take the map. There is more leeway to be less predictable in your capture order.

			Critical Locations provide twice the Requisition.

			Jump units (such as Raptors) capture points at a faster rate.

	==Issues and Criticisms==		==Issues and Criticisms==

1d4chan>Incassum: Re-worded, and fixed a grammar error. Before you revert, PrettyPollingPennington, perhaps check the talk-page?

2019-05-11T18:59:35Z

Re-worded, and fixed a grammar error. Before you revert, PrettyPollingPennington, perhaps check the talk-page?

1d4chan>Newerfag: What I did was streamlining. What is this, a full changelog?

2019-05-11T16:38:51Z

What I did was streamlining. What is this, a full changelog?

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1d4chan>PrettyPollyPennington: You don't speak for everyone. I think this page should be streamlined, but not mass deleted.

2019-05-11T15:50:33Z

You don't speak for everyone. I think this page should be streamlined, but not mass deleted.

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1d4chan>Newerfag: Make your own damn wiki, there's a limit to how much detail we give a fuck about.

2019-05-11T13:58:22Z

Make your own damn wiki, there's a limit to how much detail we give a fuck about.

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1d4chan>Incassum: Fixed some grammar, and made a few changes in wording.

2019-05-11T13:55:17Z

Fixed some grammar, and made a few changes in wording.

82.13.208.172: /* Combat Mechanics */

2019-05-11T01:56:12Z

Combat Mechanics

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	Jump units (such as Raptors, Warp Spiders, Assault Marines and Stealth Suits) capture points at a faster rate than normal units, facilitating their ability to help you acquire map control.		Jump units (such as Raptors, Warp Spiders, Assault Marines and Stealth Suits) capture points at a faster rate than normal units, facilitating their ability to help you acquire map control.

			'''Builders'''

			Against melee units (such as cultists and slugga boys) builders are significantly more fragile and easily killed.

			Against ranged units (such as scouts) builders are slightly more fragile.

			Sniper rifles (such as ranger long rifles) also tend to be better against builders than the base game.

	==Production Mechanics==		==Production Mechanics==

1d4chan>Tauk: /* Combat Mechanics */

2019-05-11T01:04:19Z

Combat Mechanics

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	* Tau Pathfinders (including its markerlight drone).		* Tau Pathfinders (including its markerlight drone).
	* Assassin.		* Assassin.

			'''Light Cover Movement Speed Penalty'''

			The following unit types are unaffected by light cover's movement speed penalty:
			* SM Dreadnoughts: Dreadnought, Hellfire Dreadnought, Venerable Dreadnought.
			* Chaos 'Dreadnoughts': Defiler, Chaos Dreadnought
			* Landspeeder & Pirahna Skimmer
			* Chaos Rhino.

	'''Negative Cover Movement Speed Penalty'''		'''Negative Cover Movement Speed Penalty'''

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	'''Content'''		'''Content'''

	Much of the original games' cut content was re-added in the mod, as well as in general, more toys for ~~each faction~~ to play as - the objective being that the player is generally given more choices as to the composition of their armies.		Much of the original games' cut content was re-added in the mod, as well as in general, more toys for most factions to play as - the objective being that the player is generally given more choices as to the composition of their armies.

	DoWpro also implements new content from certain other mods (used with permission).		DoWpro also implements new content from certain other mods (used with permission).
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	The Imperial Guard are rebalanced towards being a Horde army, where a guardsmen squad costs 100 requisition (from 160). In order to defeat Elite unit massed gunlines, the Imperial Guard rely on a combination of disruption, dense formations, siege warfare, and fighting in multiple places at once by utilising their numerical advantage. Expect atrociously high casualty rates even in victory.		The Imperial Guard are rebalanced towards being a Horde army, where a guardsmen squad costs 100 requisition (from 160). In order to defeat Elite unit massed gunlines, the Imperial Guard rely on a combination of disruption, dense formations, siege warfare, and fighting in multiple places at once by utilising their numerical advantage. Expect atrociously high casualty rates even in victory.

	Tau emphasize mobile firepower that is rebalanced more towards the use of infiltration, jetpacks, ambushes and diverse unit combinations. Additionally, Stealth suits begin as hunter ~~kill~~ units, instead of Tier 0 capper units (with Pathfinder units taking their place).		Tau emphasize mobile firepower that is rebalanced more towards the use of infiltration, jetpacks, ambushes and diverse unit combinations. Additionally, Stealth suits begin as hunter-killer units, instead of Tier 0 capper units (with Pathfinder units taking their place).

	Some factions are changed more than others; Necrons use a unique mechanic where they need to expand their area of control and actually gain resources in an effort to actually force them to take and hold territory and play more like the rest of the factions, as opposed to how they originally played.		Some factions are changed more than others; Necrons use a unique mechanic where they need to expand their area of control and actually gain resources in an effort to actually force them to take and hold territory and play more like the rest of the factions, as opposed to how they originally played.
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	The mod removes Flyers.		The mod removes Flyers.

	It also fundamentally changes how the factions added in the expansions play, and not always for the better. Those who are fans of how existing factions or mechanics already work or feel (e.g. the uniqueness of the Necrons, which the mod removes, or Dark Crusade infiltration) will not enjoy it.		It also fundamentally changes how the factions added in the expansions play, and not always for the better. Those who are fans of how existing factions or mechanics already work or feel (e.g. the uniqueness of the Necrons, which the mod outright removes, or Dark Crusade infiltration) will not enjoy it.

	Balance has focused primarily on 1v1s, as opposed to team games.		Balance has focused primarily on 1v1s, as opposed to team games.
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	Units feel much more fragile than they are in the originals, because the Fire on the Move changes allow for more concentrated firepower as multiple units gang up on a single unit.		Units feel much more fragile than they are in the originals, because the Fire on the Move changes allow for more concentrated firepower as multiple units gang up on a single unit.

	This ironically makes for a game that while certainly much more varied than Vanilla, also tends to culminate in much more protracted battles over the course of a given match, and can quickly boil down to drawn-out battles of attrition dictated by "who makes the first major mistake". In certain match-ups, such as Orks vs Imperial Guard, this is very noticeable.		This ironically makes for a game that while certainly much more varied than Vanilla, also tends to culminate in much more protracted battles over the course of a given match, and can quickly boil down to drawn-out battles of attrition dictated by "who makes the first major mistake". Matches can also be decided in the first five minutes - and still last for over thirty. In certain match-ups, such as Orks vs Imperial Guard, this is very noticeable.

	If there is a specific Build Order that you wish to play (which worked in DC/SS), there is a decent chance that it is no longer viable in DoWpro. For example, 3x Dark Reaper is not as viable, as they are now hard counter units. Also, it is much harder to aggressively place turrets as they require a Control Zone to be built in.		If there is a specific Build Order that you wish to play (which worked in DC/SS), there is a decent chance that it is no longer viable in DoWpro. For example, 3x Dark Reaper is not as viable, as they are now hard counter units. Also, it is much harder to aggressively place turrets as they require a Control Zone to be built in.

	The mod encourages mid game transports (as they can be built from the HQ at Tier 2). However, transport gameplay is not as smooth as Starcraft ~~(perhaps due to the game engine?), which hardcore RTS fans may not like~~.		The mod encourages mid game transports (as they can be built from the HQ at Tier 2). However, transport gameplay is not as smooth as Starcraft.

	Chaos is now more similar to the Space Marines (like in Vanilla), whereas in WA/DC/SS Chaos is significantly different and more unique.		Chaos is now more similar to the Space Marines (like in Vanilla), whereas in WA/DC/SS Chaos is significantly different and more unique.
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	Progressing through the Tech Tree as Eldar can be confusing if you're unfamiliar with the vanilla game.		Progressing through the Tech Tree as Eldar can be confusing if you're unfamiliar with the vanilla game.

	If you ~~was~~ a fan of the Eldar Ranger squad (as in DC/SS), then you may be unhappy because it requires upgrades to achieve the same ranged harassment potential.		If you were a fan of the Eldar Ranger squad (as in DC/SS), then you may be unhappy because it requires upgrades to achieve the same ranged harassment potential.

	Tau is now a mobile shooty army instead of a stand-and-shoot army, which may or may not be in your favor depending on how you like your Firewarriors. On the other hand, you can now pick both Kauyon and Mont'ka within a single game.		Tau is now a mobile shooty army instead of a stand-and-shoot army, which may or may not be in your favor depending on how you like your Firewarriors. On the other hand, you can now pick both Kauyon and Mont'ka within a single game.

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	'''Content'''		'''Content'''

	Much of the original games' cut content was re-added in the mod, as well as in general, more toys for ~~each faction~~ to play as - the objective being that the player is generally given more choices as to the composition of their armies.		Much of the original games' cut content was re-added in the mod, as well as in general, more toys for most factions to play as - the objective being that the player is generally given more choices as to the composition of their armies.

	DoWpro also implements new content from certain other mods (used with permission).		DoWpro also implements new content from certain other mods (used with permission).
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	* You can adapt to the enemy faster, by having more special weapons.		* You can adapt to the enemy faster, by having more special weapons.
	* Morale loss is less painful, as it affects a smaller subset of your army.		* Morale loss is less painful, as it affects a smaller subset of your army.
	* Units with long range weapons, such as Heavy Bolters and Missile Launchers, ~~benefit from~~ the sight provided by allied units.		* Units with long range weapons, such as Heavy Bolters and Missile Launchers, require the sight provided by allied units (as their own LoS tends to be small/short).
	* You have more opportunities to concentrate gunfire from many units onto one.		* You have more opportunities to concentrate gunfire from many units onto one.

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	The mod removes Flyers.		The mod removes Flyers.

	It also fundamentally changes how the factions added in the expansions play, and not always for the better. Those who are fans of how existing factions or mechanics already work or feel (e.g. the uniqueness of the Necrons, which the mod removes, or Dark Crusade infiltration) will not enjoy it.		It also fundamentally changes how the factions added in the expansions play, and not always for the better. Those who are fans of how existing factions or mechanics already work or feel (e.g. the uniqueness of the Necrons, which the mod outright removes, or Dark Crusade infiltration) will not enjoy it.

	Balance has focused primarily on 1v1s, as opposed to team games.		Balance has focused primarily on 1v1s, as opposed to team games.
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	Units feel much more fragile than they are in the originals, because the Fire on the Move changes allow for more concentrated firepower as multiple units gang up on a single unit.		Units feel much more fragile than they are in the originals, because the Fire on the Move changes allow for more concentrated firepower as multiple units gang up on a single unit.

	This ironically makes for a game that while certainly much more varied than Vanilla, also tends to culminate in much more protracted battles over the course of a given match, and can quickly boil down to drawn-out battles of attrition dictated by "who makes the first major mistake". In certain match-ups, such as Orks vs Imperial Guard, this is very noticeable.		This ironically makes for a game that while certainly much more varied than Vanilla, also tends to culminate in much more protracted battles over the course of a given match, and can quickly boil down to drawn-out battles of attrition dictated by "who makes the first major mistake", or even be decided in the first five minutes - in spite of the match in total taking over 30 minutes. In certain match-ups, such as Orks vs Imperial Guard, this is very noticeable.

	If there is a specific Build Order that you wish to play (which worked in DC/SS), there is a decent chance that it is no longer viable in DoWpro. For example, 3x Dark Reaper is not as viable, as they are now hard counter units. Also, it is much harder to aggressively place turrets as they require a Control Zone to be built in.		If there is a specific Build Order that you wish to play (which worked in DC/SS), there is a decent chance that it is no longer viable in DoWpro. For example, 3x Dark Reaper is not as viable, as they are now hard counter units. Also, it is much harder to aggressively place turrets as they require a Control Zone to be built in.

	The mod encourages mid game transports (as they can be built from the HQ at Tier 2). However, transport gameplay is not as smooth as Starcraft ~~(perhaps due to the game engine?), which hardcore RTS fans may not like~~.		The mod encourages mid game transports (as they can be built from the HQ at Tier 2). However, transport gameplay is not as smooth as e.g. Starcraft.

	Chaos is now more similar to the Space Marines (like in Vanilla), whereas in WA/DC/SS Chaos is significantly different and more unique.		Chaos is now more similar to the Space Marines (like in Vanilla), whereas in WA/DC/SS Chaos is significantly different and more unique.
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	The complex counter system means that there is a steep learning curve from the original. For example, Flamer weapons are highly effective against Demons.		The complex counter system means that there is a steep learning curve from the original. For example, Flamer weapons are highly effective against Demons.

	Optimizing your units requires that you understand what armor types every unit has in the game, and roughly how well every unit's DPS performs against those armor types. Incorrectly targeting the wrong enemy unit is often excessively punishing, and ~~encourages~~ players to analyse Damage Per Second spreadsheets.		Optimizing your units requires that you understand what armor types every unit has in the game, and roughly how well every unit's DPS performs against those armor types. Incorrectly targeting the wrong enemy unit is often excessively punishing, and all but requires players to analyse Damage Per Second spreadsheets, and in general, "read up" before even attempting to play.

	Even some units which keep fundamentally the same role they had in the original game may be changed in implementation, to the point where their use is fundamentally different in practice.		Even some units which keep fundamentally the same role they had in the original game may be changed in implementation, to the point where their use is fundamentally different in practice.
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	If you was a fan of the Eldar Ranger squad (as in DC/SS), then you may be unhappy because it requires upgrades to achieve the same ranged harassment potential.		If you was a fan of the Eldar Ranger squad (as in DC/SS), then you may be unhappy because it requires upgrades to achieve the same ranged harassment potential.

	Tau is now a mobile shooty army instead of a stand-and-shoot army, which may or may not be in your favor depending on how you like your Firewarriors. On the other hand, you can now pick both Kauyon and Mont'ka within a single game.		Tau is now a mobile shooty army instead of a stand-and-shoot army, and requires spotter-units (as individual firing squads have very bad LoS) which may or may not be in your favor depending on how you like your Firewarriors. On the other hand, you can now pick both Kauyon and Mont'ka within a single game.

	The Imperial Guard have two pieces of Wargear called Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus that upgrades the Inquisitor, but where is Ordo Hereticus?		The Imperial Guard have two pieces of Wargear called Ordo Xenos and Ordo Malleus that upgrades the Inquisitor, but where is Ordo Hereticus?