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	{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}		{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}
	[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]		[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]
	The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.		The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]], on the planet [[Isstvan V]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.

	Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.		Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.

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	{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}		{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}
	[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]		[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]
	"The Battle of Isstvan V", "That Huge Fuckup", or '''~~the~~ Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.		The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.

	Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.		Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.

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	While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.		While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.

	Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. Curze had nearly ripped Dorn to pieces some years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs~~. Finally, Lorgar and the Word Bearers had recently been officially sanctioned by the Emperor, in person, for flouting his rules regarding worship of him~~. Yet these were the four Primarchs whose forces Dorn was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.		Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. Lorgar and the Word Bearers had recently been officially sanctioned by the Emperor, in person, for flouting his rules regarding worship of him. Finally, Curze had nearly ripped Dorn to pieces some years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were the four Primarchs whose forces Dorn was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.

	The Raven Guard, Iron Hands, and Salamanders arrived in-system before the other four Legions, and the Raven Guard conducted a thorough reconnaissance of ~~the system~~. They determined that Isstvan III had recently been the site of both an Exterminatus and a massive ground battle, but could detect nothing living on the planet. Shortly thereafter, they picked up a massive amount of vox traffic coming from Isstvan V, and after determining that the Traitors seemed to have no void assets in system, the Raven Guard conducted another reconnaissance operation. They were able to survey the Traitor ground forces with impunity, and obtained what amounted to a nearly complete order of battle of the Traitor forces. They sped back to the main fleet with their findings, and Ferrus, upon learning that the Traitor fleets were nowhere to be found, ordered the Loyalists to Isstvan V with all speed.		The Raven Guard, Iron Hands, and Salamanders arrived in-system before the other four Legions, and the Raven Guard conducted a thorough reconnaissance of its habitable planets. They determined that Isstvan III had recently been the site of both an Exterminatus and a massive ground battle, but could detect nothing living on the planet. Shortly thereafter, they picked up a massive amount of vox traffic coming from Isstvan V, and after determining that the Traitors seemed to have no void assets in system, the Raven Guard conducted another reconnaissance operation. They were able to survey the Traitor ground forces with impunity, and obtained what amounted to a nearly complete order of battle of the Traitor forces. They sped back to the main fleet with their findings, and Ferrus, upon learning that the Traitor fleets were nowhere to be found, ordered the Loyalists to Isstvan V with all speed.

	The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA was still a few hours off, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. ~~Additionally~~, ~~virtually~~ nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.		The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA was still a few hours off, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. Additionally, the Loyalist Mechanicum assets had nowhere near the firepower of Legio Mortis, the Traitor Titan Legion on Istvaan V. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Now, Ferrus himself did not seem to think that he possessed such a weakness, but the real problem was what everyone ''else'' might think. Virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, for if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim had also trashed his flagship and wrecked his fleet upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.

	Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with no ~~traitor~~ void elements in-system, the ~~loyalists~~ had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the Urgall Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.		Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with no Traitor void elements in-system, the Loyalists had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the Urgall Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.

	The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].		The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].

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	While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.		While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.

	Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. ~~And~~ Curze~~? He'd almost torn~~ Dorn ~~apart~~ some years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were ~~three of~~ the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.		Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. Curze had nearly ripped Dorn to pieces some years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Finally, Lorgar and the Word Bearers had recently been officially sanctioned by the Emperor, in person, for flouting his rules regarding worship of him. Yet these were the four Primarchs whose forces Dorn was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.

	The ~~initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive~~, ~~at which point they would all descend to the planet together~~ and ~~steamroll the traitors. However, when word~~ arrived ~~from~~ the other four ~~legions that their ETA would be in a few hours~~, ~~Ferrus convinced Vulkan~~ and ~~Corax~~ that the ~~three legions on~~ site ~~should attack immediately~~ and ~~do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was~~ a ~~stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional~~, the ~~traitor positions were already manned~~, ~~the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for~~ a ~~decisive advantage against a defensible position~~, and ~~as far as~~ the ~~loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and~~ no void assets in system~~. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites~~, ~~and~~ the Raven Guard ~~and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions~~. ~~However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that~~ the ~~first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed~~ with ~~being strong~~, and ~~Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up~~ the ~~possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him~~ to ~~betray~~ the ~~Emperor. Additionally~~, ~~virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing~~ Ferrus ~~wanted anyone~~, ~~especially his brothers, thinking of him was~~ that ~~he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people,~~ the ~~staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument~~ to ~~commit such a betrayal. As might~~ be ~~imagined~~, the ~~situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted~~ to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.		The Raven Guard, Iron Hands, and Salamanders arrived in-system before the other four Legions, and the Raven Guard conducted a thorough reconnaissance of the system. They determined that Isstvan III had recently been the site of both an Exterminatus and a massive ground battle, but could detect nothing living on the planet. Shortly thereafter, they picked up a massive amount of vox traffic coming from Isstvan V, and after determining that the Traitors seemed to have no void assets in system, the Raven Guard conducted another reconnaissance operation. They were able to survey the Traitor ground forces with impunity, and obtained what amounted to a nearly complete order of battle of the Traitor forces. They sped back to the main fleet with their findings, and Ferrus, upon learning that the Traitor fleets were nowhere to be found, ordered the Loyalists to Isstvan V with all speed.

	Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with ~~the~~ traitor void elements ~~absent~~, the loyalists had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the Urgall Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.		The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA was still a few hours off, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.

			Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with no traitor void elements in-system, the loyalists had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the Urgall Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.

	The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].		The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].

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	While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.		While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.

	Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. And Curze? He'd almost torn Dorn apart ~~a few~~ years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were three of the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.		Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. And Curze? He'd almost torn Dorn apart some years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were three of the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.

	The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.		The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.

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	==[[Anal Circumference\|The Battle]]==		==[[Anal Circumference\|The Battle]]==
	While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the ~~Urgal~~ Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.		While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgall Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.

	Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. And Curze? He'd almost torn Dorn apart a few years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were three of the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.		Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. And Curze? He'd almost torn Dorn apart a few years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were three of the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.
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	The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.		The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.

	Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with the traitor void elements absent, the loyalists had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the ~~Urgal~~ Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.		Interestingly enough, the decision to attack the traitors was agreed to by ''Corvus Corax'' of all people; the one Primarch who would have been the most likely to recognize that attacking a fortified position with an inferior force while friendly reinforcements were just hours away was pants-on-head retarded. One explanation for this seemingly monumental lapse in judgement was the reason Ferrus gave to his brothers for attacking. Ferrus argued that with the traitor void elements absent, the loyalists had a situational advantage that had to be immediately exploited. Additionally, he argued that the Traitors could use any additional time given to them to construct further defensive works. Of course this was still stupid; among other things the loyalists had complete superiority in local space, and if the traitor fleet returned, it would have had to first drive off or destroy the loyalist fleet in order to provide any support to its ground forces. Such a battle would have occurred regardless of whether or not the loyalists had yet been deployed planetside, and if the traitors won the void engagement, they would have been able to blast the unshielded loyalist ground forces into pasta sauce via orbital bombardment. If the traitor fleet lost, the situation would be unchanged. Additionally, the loyalists still believed that they would be reinforced by a whole four other loyal legions in a few hours, which obviously would have included all the void resources of those legions. On top of that, a few more hours of work shoring up the Urgall Depression's defenses wouldn't have made any difference in the grand scheme. The [[Iron Warriors\|Mole Men]], after all, weren't there, and the Emperor's Children had likely had more than their fill of dirtying their armor.

	The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].		The reality was that Vulkan and Corax almost certainly would have known that it would have been better to wait for reinforcements. However, was Ferrus in overall command of the operation by Dorn's instruction, and so he had the final word on the matter. Additionally, had they refused to help, Ferrus would likely have simply engaged on his own. For as was previously mentioned, Ferrus's reasoning was colored significantly by emotion, and he was quite choleric even at the best of times. With him undoubtedly being as angry as he had ever been, and reinforcements speeding into the system, Vulkan and Corax likely believed it was simply not worth arguing with Ferrus about the matter except in the most cursory of manners. As would be seen later on, their plan appeared to be to accompany their brother to the surface, bloody the Traitors as well as they could, and then let the other four legions relieve them when they arrived. The plan would of course be... less than ideal, but the two most soft spoken Primarchs in the entire Imperium probably lacked the force of personality to change Ferrus's mind. And, of course, neither Vulkan nor Corax were counting on their [[Alpha Legion\|reinforcements being Traitors]].

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	==[[Anal Circumference\|The Battle]]==		==[[Anal Circumference\|The Battle]]==
	While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgal Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.		While making battle with the remnants of the loyalists on Isstvan III, Horus sent [[Fulgrim]] to the Urgall Depression, a volcanic valley on Isstvan V, to dig trenches, build barricades and bunkers, and fortify the ancient abandoned fortress complexes there. Imagine the fabulous, pinky Emperor's Children staining their perfectly blonde hair and digging in the mud. Yeah, the decision did not sit well with Fulgrim or his men, but they did their job well in spite of their insistence that the Iron Warriors should've done it instead. Despite Fulgrim's characteristic bitching about having to do actual work, Horus got him to shut up by telling him that he was the only person he could rely on to make the defenses "perfect". The reality of course is that he probably just did it to spite him, as Fulgrim's recent fuck-up with Ferrus Manus had given Horus a significant headache. By the time the loyalists got there, the Emperor's Children had built a ton of anti-air and -missile batteries, forcing the attackers to refrain from [[Exterminatus]] everyone from orbit and being done with it. The loyalists enacted a cursory bombardment of the site from orbit anyway, and predictably achieved nothing. The bombardment was made possible by the fact that the traitor fleet elements were nowhere to be found, which was a bit disquieting for the loyalists but they ultimately brushed it off as unimportant (spoiler alert, it wasn't). Could they have laid siege from orbit and called for more Imperial Army ships and aircraft to assist in destroying the air and missile defenses and then blow up the planet? Yes. Could they have just shot a cyclonic torpedo into any other part of the planet than the specific little area the traitors were in? Yes. But as everyone knows, intelligence is illegal in Warhammer and as we'll see later, the stupidity seemed to have had one particularly stubborn architect. Weirdly enough, Ferrus actually did not order a sustained orbital bombardment of the Urgal Depression. Nobody is really sure why, but theories abound, most of which have to do with Ferrus's... shall we say, "sub-optimal tactical disposition" at the time.

			Speaking of such tactical dispositions, one must also question why Dorn decided that it was a good idea to pack his anvil with so many Primarchs whose loyalties he almost certainly couldn't have been sure of. If Horus and Fulgrim could commit betrayal, he must have had suspicions about some of his other brothers. He and Perturabo already thoroughly disliked each other, as did he and Alpharius. And Curze? He'd almost torn Dorn apart a few years prior (granted Curze hadn't meant to), and the Night Lords had recently been issued an official summons from the Emperor so he could tell them off for being sadistic screwballs. Yet these were three of the four Primarchs whose forces he was sending as the second wave. Perhaps it can be attributed to needing to act with as much haste as possible, but for somebody whose IQ likely resided in the 700-800 range, Dorn seemingly put surprisingly little thought into his plan.

	The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.		The initial plan from the three loyalist legions was to just wait for the other four supposedly loyal legions to arrive, at which point they would all descend to the planet together and steamroll the traitors. However, when word arrived from the other four legions that their ETA would be in a few hours, Ferrus convinced Vulkan and Corax that the three legions on site should attack immediately and do as much damage as possible. It hardly needs to be said that this was a stupid idea. There was no pressing need to attack the traitors; the defenses were already functional, the traitor positions were already manned, the loyalists' numbers weren't enough for a decisive advantage against a defensible position, and as far as the loyalists knew the traitors had no reinforcements incoming and no void assets in system. All three loyalist Primarchs knew that they did not have the forces necessary to guarantee victory; the Iron Hands contingent was comprised of little more than Ferrus's terminator elites, and the Raven Guard and Salamanders had always been amongst the smallest legions. However, Ferrus was extremely pissed about Fulgrim's betrayal and even more pissed that the first person Fulgrim had gone to to try to turn was him. Ferrus was obsessed with being strong, and Fulgrim's attempt at turning him had stirred up the possibility that Fulgrim had seen some weakness in him that would make Fulgrim think he could get him to betray the Emperor. Additionally, virtually nothing was more important in the Medusan culture than loyalty to one's clan or family. The absolute last thing Ferrus wanted anyone, especially his brothers, thinking of him was that he could be convinced to betray his own father. Yet it was ''Ferrus Manus'' of all people, the staunch Iron Gorgon of Medusa, who had been the one Primarch approached with an argument to commit such a betrayal. As might be imagined, the situation had Ferrus practically frothing at the mouth. He wanted to put down the Traitors as quickly and brutally as possible, as if he managed that, his loyalty could not possibly be in any sort of question, and whatever esteem he thought he had lost in the eyes of his brothers would be restored. Fulgrim also trashed his flagship upon departure, which must have helped exacerbate Ferrus' assmadery.

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	{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}		{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}
	[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]		[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]
	The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.		The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]], on the planet [[Isstvan V]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.

	Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.		Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.

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	{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}		{{Topquote\|'''This betrayal would stain forever the honour of the Astartes, no matter the outcome. Men will fear us from this day onward, and they will be right to.'''\|Ferrus Manus}}
	[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]		[[File:Urgall_depression.jpg\|thumb\|right\|500px\|Probably how it looked like without thousands of dead Astartes and tanks lying around.]]
	"The Battle of Isstvan V", "That Huge Fuckup", or '''~~the~~ Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.		The '''Battle of Isstvan V''', '''That Huge Fuckup''', or the '''Drop Site Massacre''' as it would be better remembered as later, was one of the major defining battles of the [[Horus Heresy]] that occurred circa 4 months after the [[Battle of Isstvan III]]. After the revelation that [[Horus]] had flipped the Imperium the bird, the <s>[[Emperor]]</s> [[Rogal Dorn]] threw a huge tantrum and sent many of his brothers and their [[first Founding\|Legions]] to deal with the traitors: the [[Black Legion\|Sons of Horus]], [[World Eaters]], the [[Emperor's Children]] and [[Death Guard]]. The [[Iron Hands]], [[Salamanders]], and [[Raven Guard]], being the closest, were sent as the vanguard of the Imperial force. Dorn placed [[Ferrus Manus]], as the most senior of the Primarchs he could contact, in charge of the overall operation. The vanguard legions would be the hammer that would break the traitors against the anvil that would be the [[Iron Warriors]], [[Night Lords]], [[Word Bearers]], and [[Alpha Legion]]. The reason why Dorn was the one issuing instructions rather than the Emperor was because, unbeknownst to practically everyone except the Custodes and Malcador, he was trying his best to fix the ruptured Warp-pipe in the Imperial Palace's basement that was the remains of the Webway Project. As such, he was too busy to attend to anything else at the time.

	Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.		Little did the loyalists know that [[Not as planned\|the anvil had already betrayed the Emperor]] before arriving at Isstvan V. By this time, fully half of all Primarchs and their respective Legions had been swayed by Horus in either joining him in his path to becoming the rightful leader of Mankind or by realizing that the [[Chaos Gods]] are much more favourable subjects of worship.