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	Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.		Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.

	Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]]. ~~Meanwhile the niche~~ of ~~dark-skinned~~ elves ~~will instead~~ be ~~filled in with the Cavern Elves~~.		Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]]. There will be a new group of underground elves to be introduced but we do not know their skin color or general outlook at this time.

	===Drow===		===Drow===

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	The very first mention of the idea was as "half-casts" (''sic'') in D3 for AD&D 1e; leaving unspoken if these be drow/human or - more likely just from the dating-pool - drow/elf, or even drow/bugbear. The half-drow are subsequently expanded in that edition's [[Unearthed Arcana]]. They're (human) [[half-elves]], but with the drow's sunlight vulnerability trait slapped on top (in short, whilst exposed to sunlight, you suffer -2 dexterity and a -2 penalty on your to-hit rolls, and your foes get a +2 bonus to their saving throws against your attacks - this decreases to a -1 to hit penalty and a +1 save bonus if you're in shadow but your victim is in direct sunlight). Not exactly the kind of thing to make people interested.		The very first mention of the idea was as "half-casts" (''sic'') in D3 for AD&D 1e; leaving unspoken if these be drow/human or - more likely just from the dating-pool - drow/elf, or even drow/bugbear. The half-drow are subsequently expanded in that edition's [[Unearthed Arcana]]. They're (human) [[half-elves]], but with the drow's sunlight vulnerability trait slapped on top (in short, whilst exposed to sunlight, you suffer -2 dexterity and a -2 penalty on your to-hit rolls, and your foes get a +2 bonus to their saving throws against your attacks - this decreases to a -1 to hit penalty and a +1 save bonus if you're in shadow but your victim is in direct sunlight). Not exactly the kind of thing to make people interested.

	The half-drow seemed destined to be forgotten... and then came [[Ed Greenwood]], who, amongst his many ''other'' [[Magical Realm\|"inspirations" from his belief in the Free Love movements of the 60s]] that he slipped into the [[Forgotten Realms]], found the drow to particularly tickle his fancy. So, after coming up with things like [[Eilistraee]], naturally, he needed a place to put in half-drow. Enter Dambrath, a region in the "Shining South" that he decided to make ruled over by the Cintri; a race of half-drow descended from the ancient drow conquest of Dambrath under the reign of a particularly foolish human king... well, alright, technically, the Cintri are a melting pot of half-drow and [[half-elf]] bloodlines, since they descend as much from the half-elf [[cleric]]s of [[Loviatar]] who helped the drow conquer the place - after all, Loviatar is basically the Realm's goddess of evil BDSM and femdom, so she's got that in common with [[Lolth]], to the point that Lolth even lets Loviatar's faith be the state religion of Dambrath - but they're still mixed human and drow bloodlines, so it counts. So yes, basically a [[Magical Realm]] of femdom fantasies where any male might be a slave to a drow on the surface and still roleplay. Later editions had the humans [[HFY\|rise up and slaughter the domineering knife ear bitches]] because let's face it, even to a submissive hornyposter a realistic medieval stasis setting slavery would ''not'' be a pleasant one unless he is a beautiful hunk a.k.a Reality Ensues.		The half-drow seemed destined to be forgotten... and then came [[Ed Greenwood]], who, amongst his many ''other'' [[Magical Realm\|"inspirations" from his belief in the Free Love movements of the 60s]] that he slipped into the [[Forgotten Realms]], found the drow to particularly tickle his fancy. So, after coming up with things like [[Eilistraee]], naturally, he needed a place to put in half-drow. Enter Dambrath, a region in the "[[Shining South]]" that he decided to make ruled over by the Cintri; a race of half-drow descended from the ancient drow conquest of Dambrath under the reign of a particularly foolish human king... well, alright, technically, the Cintri are a melting pot of half-drow and [[half-elf]] bloodlines, since they descend as much from the half-elf [[cleric]]s of [[Loviatar]] who helped the drow conquer the place - after all, Loviatar is basically the Realm's goddess of evil BDSM and femdom, so she's got that in common with [[Lolth]], to the point that Lolth even lets Loviatar's faith be the state religion of Dambrath - but they're still mixed human and drow bloodlines, so it counts. So yes, basically a [[Magical Realm]] of femdom fantasies where any male might be a slave to a drow on the surface and still roleplay. Later editions had the humans [[HFY\|rise up and slaughter the domineering knife ear bitches]] because let's face it, even to a submissive hornyposter a realistic medieval stasis setting slavery would ''not'' be a pleasant one unless he is a beautiful hunk a.k.a Reality Ensues.

	Ironically, despite the Cintri, no 2e version of the half-drow statblock ever debuted, not even in the Shining South [[splatbook]] that introduced Dambrath to the Realms' fanbase. But it did mean that half-drow made it into 3rd edition in a [[Forgotten Realms]] [[splatbook]] - [[Races of Faerun]], to be precise. Of course, like their 1e counterparts, they were not particularly well-differentiated mechanically from their half-elf roots; a 3e half-drow is, officially, a [[half-elf]] with Darkvision 60 feet and replacing Elf Blood with Drow Blood, so they're treated as Drow for race-targeting stuff instead of [[Elf]].		Ironically, despite the Cintri, no 2e version of the half-drow statblock ever debuted, not even in the Shining South [[splatbook]] that introduced Dambrath to the Realms' fanbase. But it did mean that half-drow made it into 3rd edition in a [[Forgotten Realms]] [[splatbook]] - [[Races of Faerun]], to be precise. Of course, like their 1e counterparts, they were not particularly well-differentiated mechanically from their half-elf roots; a 3e half-drow is, officially, a [[half-elf]] with Darkvision 60 feet and replacing Elf Blood with Drow Blood, so they're treated as Drow for race-targeting stuff instead of [[Elf]].

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	Xanathar's Guide gave them a boost with a new racial feat; Drow High Magic. Reflecting the "noble drow" spell-like abilities of AD&D, this feat grants a drow the ability to cast Detect Magic at will and both Levitate and Dispel Magic once per long rest without a spell slot.		Xanathar's Guide gave them a boost with a new racial feat; Drow High Magic. Reflecting the "noble drow" spell-like abilities of AD&D, this feat grants a drow the ability to cast Detect Magic at will and both Levitate and Dispel Magic once per long rest without a spell slot.

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	Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.		Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.

	Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]].		Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]]. Meanwhile the niche of dark-skinned elves will instead be filled in with the Cavern Elves.

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	==Starfinder==		==Starfinder==

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	TgplaysDrow.png\|In surface world, adventurers are always looking for a party. In matriarchal Underdark, matron makes a party out of you!		TgplaysDrow.png\|In surface world, adventurers are always looking for a party. In matriarchal Underdark, matron makes a party out of you!
			68bfixo0xnm41.jpg\|Drow gender dynamics in a nutshell
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	The half-drow seemed destined to be forgotten... and then came [[Ed Greenwood]], who, amongst his many ''other'' [[Magical Realm\|"inspirations" from his belief in the Free Love movements of the 60s]] that he slipped into the [[Forgotten Realms]], found the drow to particularly tickle his fancy. So, after coming up with things like [[Eilistraee]], naturally, he needed a place to put in half-drow. Enter Dambrath, a region in the "Shining South" that he decided to make ruled over by the Cintri; a race of half-drow descended from the ancient drow conquest of Dambrath under the reign of a particularly foolish human king... well, alright, technically, the Cintri are a melting pot of half-drow and [[half-elf]] bloodlines, since they descend as much from the half-elf [[cleric]]s of [[Loviatar]] who helped the drow conquer the place - after all, Loviatar is basically the Realm's goddess of evil BDSM and femdom, so she's got that in common with [[Lolth]], to the point that Lolth even lets Loviatar's faith be the state religion of Dambrath - but they're still mixed human and drow bloodlines, so it counts. So yes, basically a [[Magical Realm]] of femdom fantasies where any male might be a slave to a drow on the surface and still roleplay. Later editions had the humans [[HFY\|rise up and slaughter the domineering knife ear bitches]] because let's face it, even to a submissive hornyposter a realistic medieval stasis setting slavery would ''not'' be a pleasant one unless he is a beautiful hunk a.k.a Reality Ensues.		The half-drow seemed destined to be forgotten... and then came [[Ed Greenwood]], who, amongst his many ''other'' [[Magical Realm\|"inspirations" from his belief in the Free Love movements of the 60s]] that he slipped into the [[Forgotten Realms]], found the drow to particularly tickle his fancy. So, after coming up with things like [[Eilistraee]], naturally, he needed a place to put in half-drow. Enter Dambrath, a region in the "Shining South" that he decided to make ruled over by the Cintri; a race of half-drow descended from the ancient drow conquest of Dambrath under the reign of a particularly foolish human king... well, alright, technically, the Cintri are a melting pot of half-drow and [[half-elf]] bloodlines, since they descend as much from the half-elf [[cleric]]s of [[Loviatar]] who helped the drow conquer the place - after all, Loviatar is basically the Realm's goddess of evil BDSM and femdom, so she's got that in common with [[Lolth]], to the point that Lolth even lets Loviatar's faith be the state religion of Dambrath - but they're still mixed human and drow bloodlines, so it counts. So yes, basically a [[Magical Realm]] of femdom fantasies where any male might be a slave to a drow on the surface and still roleplay. Later editions had the humans [[HFY\|rise up and slaughter the domineering knife ear bitches]] because let's face it, even to a submissive hornyposter a realistic medieval stasis setting slavery would ''not'' be a pleasant one unless he is a beautiful hunk a.k.a Reality Ensues.

	Ironically, despite the Cintri, no 2e version of the half-drow statblock ever debuted, not even in the Shining South [[splatbook]] that introduced Dambrath to the Realms' fanbase. But it did mean that half-drow made it into 3rd edition in a [[Forgotten Realms]] [[splatbook]] - [[~~Races of X \|~~Races of Faerun]], to be precise. Of course, like their 1e counterparts, they were not particularly well-differentiated mechanically from their half-elf roots; a 3e half-drow is, officially, a [[half-elf]] with Darkvision 60 feet and replacing Elf Blood with Drow Blood, so they're treated as Drow for race-targeting stuff instead of [[Elf]].		Ironically, despite the Cintri, no 2e version of the half-drow statblock ever debuted, not even in the Shining South [[splatbook]] that introduced Dambrath to the Realms' fanbase. But it did mean that half-drow made it into 3rd edition in a [[Forgotten Realms]] [[splatbook]] - [[Races of Faerun]], to be precise. Of course, like their 1e counterparts, they were not particularly well-differentiated mechanically from their half-elf roots; a 3e half-drow is, officially, a [[half-elf]] with Darkvision 60 feet and replacing Elf Blood with Drow Blood, so they're treated as Drow for race-targeting stuff instead of [[Elf]].

	Eberron, likewise, states half-drow exist, typically results of trysts in Stormreach, but doesn't actually do anything with them or give them stats. The implication is that Half-Drow exist but are exceptionally rare and with the drow population that interacts peacefully with humans being the mere hundreds their rarity likely ''is'' exceptional. Still, Eberron works on the idea that player characters are ''supposed'' to be exceptional in general, and playing one isn't off limits.		Eberron, likewise, states half-drow exist, typically results of trysts in Stormreach, but doesn't actually do anything with them or give them stats. The implication is that Half-Drow exist but are exceptionally rare and with the drow population that interacts peacefully with humans being the mere hundreds their rarity likely ''is'' exceptional. Still, Eberron works on the idea that player characters are ''supposed'' to be exceptional in general, and playing one isn't off limits.

1d4chan>Konrad13: At this moment Paizo has not clarified what skin color or even real role the cavern elves will have in PF2e other than "they will be absolutely unlike drow"

2023-06-05T03:09:43Z

At this moment Paizo has not clarified what skin color or even real role the cavern elves will have in PF2e other than "they will be absolutely unlike drow"

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	Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.		Fluff-wise, they're tied into the weird sf-bent of the [[Golarion]] setting, being the descendants of elves who refused to flee the planet in the face of a catastrophe, and turned to demon worship to survive. First-generation drow are actually the result of elves who've broken really bad physically and psychologically transforming into dark elves. Natural-born drow aren't actually innately evil, but their culture, which engages in the traditional practices of slavery, human sacrifice, etc., with the lovely addition of [[fleshcrafting]], is so hideously corrupt that almost all of them end up bad anyway. They aren't matriarchal like classic drow either, just assholes. Their [[drider]]s are... well, see that page.

	Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]]~~. Instead, however, Pathfinder will instead have dark-skinned Cavern Elves as a subspecies that's less tied to the old moorings~~.		Unfortunately, the Drow seem to be getting the axe as a consequence of [[Pathfinder Second Edition\|the second edition of the game]] trying to further unmoor itself from D&D, as the reboot of 2E and Starfinder that's going to be under the in-house ORC license will be retconning the existence of the Drow entirely and replacing their position as race of pure evil and demon-worshippers with the [[Serpentfolk]].

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