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	Keep in mind, whatever choices you make, duskblades only get limited amounts of feats for their career. Map out your choices and combos in advance, and try to be ready to cover situations where one attack style won't work, so you fall back on another. For example, if a duskblade gets ''chill touch'', ''ghoul touch'', and ''enervation'', undead are going to be a problem; if they have Arcane Strike and/or Draconic Breath, they can simply choose to sack spell slots to do something more effective.		Keep in mind, whatever choices you make, duskblades only get limited amounts of feats for their career. Map out your choices and combos in advance, and try to be ready to cover situations where one attack style won't work, so you fall back on another. For example, if a duskblade gets ''chill touch'', ''ghoul touch'', and ''enervation'', undead are going to be a problem; if they have Arcane Strike and/or Draconic Breath, they can simply choose to sack spell slots to do something more effective.

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	Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get second or third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with three feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).		Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get second or third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with three feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).

			If one wishes to gain 9th level spells as a Duskblade, while also reducing the loss of BAB and CL to a minuscle level, one needs to tightly plan out race, atributes, feats and the order, for when classes are taken with the Sublime Chord prestige class.
			A Duskblade 6/Warrior Skald 1/Duskblade +3(9)/Sublime Chord 2/Dragonslayer 1/Spellsword 1/Abjurant Champion 5/Bladesinger 1 will have 19 BAB, CL 19 and 10/10 Sublime Chord Spellcasting.
			This alone will require as a elf 16 INT, 15+5 CHA during level ups, the feats Apprentice (Entertainer), Power Attack, Cleave, Iron Will, Dodge, Combat Casting, Combat Expertise and Weapon Focus (Longsword or Rapier) for in order to qualify.
			Warrior Skald grants Bardic Music, which is necessary for the Sublime Chord, while Dragonslayer grants the remaining class features for to enter Spellsword. Duskblade grants Combat Casting as a Bonus Feat, which is needed for Abjurant Champion.

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	The '''Duskblade''' is a character class for ~~3rd~~ Edition D&D that can be found in the '''Players Handbook II'''.		The '''Duskblade''' is a character class for 3.5 Edition D&D that can be found in the '''Players Handbook II'''.

	The class itself is very similar to the [[Hexblade]] character class; being a martial class with access to [[INT]] based, spontaneous arcane spellcasting. The big difference is that it came after Wizards of the Coast realized being able to cast arcane spells in armor wasn't actually all ''that'' powerful and classes with it didn't need to be hit with a nerf bat repeatedly. The [[Pathfinder]] equivalent is the [[magus]], and the Hexblade is an archetype of the same.		The class itself is very similar to the [[Hexblade]] character class; being a martial class with access to [[INT]] based, spontaneous arcane spellcasting. The big difference is that it came after Wizards of the Coast realized being able to cast arcane spells in armor wasn't actually all ''that'' powerful and classes with it didn't need to be hit with a nerf bat repeatedly. The [[Pathfinder]] equivalent is the [[magus]], and the Hexblade is an archetype of the same.
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	It beats out the Hexblade in that it has better saves, earlier access to spells that continue on to a higher level, learns how to cast spells while wearing up to medium armour and the Duskblade is not bound to a non-good alignment. The Hexblade has better hit dice and has curses that are a pain in the ass to fight against, but doesn't get that much at higher levels.		It beats out the Hexblade in that it has better saves, earlier access to spells that continue on to a higher level, learns how to cast spells while wearing up to medium armour and the Duskblade is not bound to a non-good alignment. The Hexblade has better hit dice and has curses that are a pain in the ass to fight against, but doesn't get that much at higher levels.

	The Duskblade spell list is quite limited, restricted to only damage dealing or buff spells. Which is perfectly fine since they're the fighter, not the dedicated caster. Though when you get to the higher levels, you get to be able to cast a [[Awesome\|phenomenal 10 spells per day]] of 1st-3rd level spells, ~~making~~ Duskblade the only class that Ring of Wizardry is worth the cost for.		The Duskblade spell list is quite limited, restricted to only damage dealing or buff spells. Which is perfectly fine since they're the fighter, not the dedicated caster. Though when you get to the higher levels, you get to be able to cast a [[Awesome\|phenomenal 10 spells per day]] of 1st-3rd level spells, maxes out at 6 5th level spells, and that makes Duskblade the only class that Ring of Wizardry is worth the cost for.

	Given the fact that a duskblade can channel damage-dealing spells directly through melee attacks, they slightly surpass dedicated fighters in most melee situations (which isn't hard, because non-casting dedicated fighters tend to suck). The only builds in which fighters will surpass a duskblade will be tripping and charging builds, though a Duskblade can play around with these tools while keeping their advantages; you get to Shock Trooper feat later than a dedicated fighter, but with the spells in your repertoire, you more than make up for it with superior mobility and additional defense.		Given the fact that a duskblade can channel damage-dealing spells directly through melee attacks, they slightly surpass dedicated fighters in most melee situations (which isn't hard, because non-casting dedicated fighters tend to suck). The only builds in which fighters will surpass a duskblade will be tripping and charging builds, though a Duskblade can play around with these tools while keeping their advantages; you get to Shock Trooper feat later than a dedicated fighter, but with the spells in your repertoire, you more than make up for it with superior mobility and additional defense.
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	Keep in mind, whatever choices you make, duskblades only get limited amounts of feats for their career. Map out your choices and combos in advance, and try to be ready to cover situations where one attack style won't work, so you fall back on another. For example, if a duskblade gets ''chill touch'', ''ghoul touch'', and ''enervation'', undead are going to be a problem; if they have Arcane Strike and/or Draconic Breath, they can simply choose to sack spell slots to do something more effective.		Keep in mind, whatever choices you make, duskblades only get limited amounts of feats for their career. Map out your choices and combos in advance, and try to be ready to cover situations where one attack style won't work, so you fall back on another. For example, if a duskblade gets ''chill touch'', ''ghoul touch'', and ''enervation'', undead are going to be a problem; if they have Arcane Strike and/or Draconic Breath, they can simply choose to sack spell slots to do something more effective.

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	On the surface, duskblade is actually a pretty front-loaded class that can go all the way to 20th level without much fuss. You'll actually only have a few dead levels, and they are almost worth waiting for some of the good stuff later. You start with pretty great combat ability (good BAB, d8 hit points, and all the proficiencies you'll ever want), and you even get some decent utility SLAs and skill choices.		On the surface, duskblade is actually a pretty front-loaded class that can go all the way to 20th level without much fuss. You'll actually only have a few dead levels, and they are almost worth waiting for some of the good stuff later. You start with pretty great combat ability (good BAB, d8 hit points, and all the proficiencies you'll ever want), and you even get some decent utility SLAs and skill choices.

	First, let's talk about your spellcasting. It looks like it kind of sucks, but it's not that bad. You'll only get to 5th-level spells, but you can get a fucking ton of those spells to cast per day, capping out at around 10 of them each spell level at the top character levels. Your spell list seems depressingly limited, but most of them are actually really good fundamental spells you might take elsewhere for a gish: ''chill touch'', ''ray of enfeeblement'', ''resist energy'', and ''shocking grasp'' are all essential stuff for melee-based casting. If you're up to digging in [[splat]] there are a few ways to add spells to your spells known and go beyond your niche.		First, let's talk about your spellcasting. It looks like it kind of sucks, but it's not that bad. You'll only get to 5th-level spells, but you can get a fucking ton of those spells to cast per day, capping out at around 10 of them each spell level at the top character levels. Your spell list seems depressingly limited, but most of them are actually really good fundamental spells you might take elsewhere for a gish: ''chill touch'', ''ray of enfeeblement'', ''resist energy'', and ''shocking grasp'' are all essential stuff for melee-based casting. If you're up to digging in [[splat]] there are a few ways to add spells to your spells known (Most of the same tricks that [[Warmage]] uses) and go beyond your niche, which really improves your versatility.

	After that, your class abilities are what's clutch here. You start with casting in light armor, and get better at casting in heavier armor over time. You get to cast in medium armor pretty fast, and heavy shields not long after that. The real fun, however, is Arcane Channeling, which lets you use a standard action to deliver a standard action attack spell through a weapon attack all at the same time; at 13th level, you can do this with a touch spell as a full attack and the spell will apply to every target you hit. Note that arcane channeling doesn't specify that it only works with duskblade spells, but rather with any spell you can cast. You also get Combat Casting for free really early as a bonus feat.		After that, your class abilities are what's clutch here. You start with casting in light armor, and get better at casting in heavier armor over time. You get to cast in medium armor pretty fast, and heavy shields not long after that. The real fun, however, is Arcane Channeling, which lets you use a standard action to deliver a standard action attack spell through a weapon attack all at the same time; at 13th level, you can do this with a touch spell as a full attack and the spell will apply to every target you hit. Note that arcane channeling doesn't specify that it only works with duskblade spells, but rather with any spell you can cast. You also get Combat Casting for free really early as a bonus feat.

	Needless to say, these factors alone make duskblade a gish-in-a-can for anyone who wants something that's not aiming for min-max gameplay. It is considered a ~~solid example of a~~ Tier 3 class.		Needless to say, these factors alone make duskblade a gish-in-a-can for anyone who wants something that's not aiming for min-max gameplay. It is considered a [[Tier System\|Tier 3 class]], though its very focused spell list mean it may be considered a tier 4 class.

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1d4chan>CobaltChaos: /* Prestige Classes */

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	If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.		If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.

	Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get second or third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with ~~two~~ feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).		Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get second or third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with three feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).

	===Feat Tricks===		===Feat Tricks===

1d4chan>CobaltChaos: /* Prestige Classes */

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	If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.		If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.

	Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).		Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get second or third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).

	===Feat Tricks===		===Feat Tricks===

1d4chan>CobaltChaos: /* Prestige Classes */

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	If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.		If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.

	Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]]), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).		Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]], again, if you don't mind giving up another level of spell progression), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).

	===Feat Tricks===		===Feat Tricks===

1d4chan>CobaltChaos: /* Prestige Classes */

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	If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.		If you sacrifice good BAB for average, there are some interesting choices for finishing your last 8 levels. The best of these is Sacred Exorcist, which is open to arcane casters. You may think that this seems weird - average BAB doesn't seem to do much for your battle ability - but this prestige class gives you access to turn undead ability independently of other sources. This means you now have access to DMM tricks, burning turn attempts to fuel metamagic.

	Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]]), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).		Another interesting choice for a prestige class is the Jade Phoenix Mage from [[The Book of Weeaboo Fightan Magic]], since it has full BAB and martial manuevers, although it sacrifices spellcasting progression at two levels. Good ways of doing this are warblade 1/duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get the 12 hit points at level 1), duskblade 5/maneuver using class 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 (to get third level maneuvers with only one level of [[crusader]], [[swordsage]], or [[warblade]]), or duskblade 5/Jade Phoenix Mage 10 with two feats if you don't want to sacrifice another level of spellcasting progression (although a feat might be better spent on an exotic weapon proficiency that one of your disciplines requires).

	===Feat Tricks===		===Feat Tricks===