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	[[File:Troops and Ferdinand.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Look upon the faces of these men, do you think, they're having a ''fun'' time?]]		[[File:Troops and Ferdinand.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Look upon the faces of these men, do you think, they're having a ''fun'' time?]]
	The abomination of God called the ''Elefant'' was one of the many attempts to mount the German 88mm KwK AT gun into a vehicle. Overall, it could have been far worse: the general design and weight of the 'acht-acht' made this a daunting task, but a skilled engineer could work around this. The problem is that said [[derp\|'skilled engineer']] happened to be Ferdinand Porsche, a man who was known to overengineer anything and everything humanly possible besides the fucking Volkswagen. When the design competition for the [[Tiger I]] was announced, ol' Ferdinand was determined to win. He designed a mechanical system so complex even motherfucking Adolf Hitler (of all people) found it was too complicated. The hybrid drive Porsche designed was a pain in the balls to repair, small hills could cause the thing to break apart, and on top of that, the already strained drive system was fucked over by additional tons of armor. On top of it, Porsche was [[FAIL\|so certain his design would be chosen that he started mass-production before being awarded the contract]]. Cue a gigantic waste of one-hundred heavy tank chassis just sitting around and doing nothing useful.		The abomination of God called the ''Elefant'' was one of the many attempts to mount the German 88mm KwK AT gun into a vehicle. Overall, it could have been far worse: the general design and weight of the 'acht-acht' made this a daunting task, but a skilled engineer could work around this. The problem is that said [[derp\|'skilled engineer']] happened to be Ferdinand Porsche, a man who was known to overengineer anything and everything humanly possible besides the fucking Volkswagen. When the design competition for the [[Tiger 1]] was announced, ol' Ferdinand was determined to win. He designed a mechanical system so complex even motherfucking Adolf Hitler (of all people) found it was too complicated. The hybrid drive Porsche designed was a pain in the balls to repair, small hills could cause the thing to break apart, and on top of that, the already strained drive system was fucked over by additional tons of armor. On top of it, Porsche was [[FAIL\|so certain his design would be chosen that he started mass-production before being awarded the contract]]. Cue a gigantic waste of one-hundred heavy tank chassis just sitting around and doing nothing useful.

	In order to at least do ''something'' with all that ungodly waste, the hundred-odd chassis he'd produced were converted into Elefants, which were by and large one of the worst German AFVs ever produced. The Elefant was also a massive death trap, as its large flat armor panels was perfect for an APCR shell to pass right through and slice half the tank crew into mincemeat. The thing required Panzergrenadiers and the addition of an MG34 just for it to not be vulnerable to infantry assaults. But the real kicker? At the Battle of Kursk, nearly half the damn things were detonated by their crews and/or captured primarily because they had mechanical failures.		In order to at least do ''something'' with all that ungodly waste, the hundred-odd chassis he'd produced were converted into Elefants, which were by and large one of the worst German AFVs ever produced. The Elefant was also a massive death trap, as its large flat armor panels was perfect for an APCR shell to pass right through and slice half the tank crew into mincemeat. The thing required Panzergrenadiers and the addition of an MG34 just for it to not be vulnerable to infantry assaults. But the real kicker? At the Battle of Kursk, nearly half the damn things were detonated by their crews and/or captured primarily because they had mechanical failures.

1d4chan>Rogalydondon: /* IRL */

2022-12-07T17:44:22Z

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	[[File:Troops and Ferdinand.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Look upon the faces of these men, do you think, they're having a ''fun'' time?]]		[[File:Troops and Ferdinand.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Look upon the faces of these men, do you think, they're having a ''fun'' time?]]
	The abomination of God called ''Elefant'' was one of the many attempts to mount the 88mm AT gun into a vehicle. Overall, it could have been far worse: the general design and weight of the 'acht-acht' made this a daunting task, but a skilled engineer could work around this. The problem is that said [[derp\|'skilled engineer']] happened to be Ferdinand Porsche, a man who was known to overengineer anything and everything humanly possible besides the fucking Volkswagen. He designed a mechanical system so complex even motherfucking Adolf Hitler (of all people) found it was too complicated. The hybrid drive Porsche designed was a pain in the balls to repair, small hills could cause the thing to break apart, and on top of that, the already strained drive system was fucked over by additional tons of armor. On top of it, Porsche was [[FAIL\|so certain his design would be chosen he started mass-production before being awarded the contract]]. ~~Queue~~ a gigantic waste of one-hundred heavy tank chassis just ~~rotting~~ around.		The abomination of God called the ''Elefant'' was one of the many attempts to mount the German 88mm KwK AT gun into a vehicle. Overall, it could have been far worse: the general design and weight of the 'acht-acht' made this a daunting task, but a skilled engineer could work around this. The problem is that said [[derp\|'skilled engineer']] happened to be Ferdinand Porsche, a man who was known to overengineer anything and everything humanly possible besides the fucking Volkswagen. When the design competition for the [[Tiger I]] was announced, ol' Ferdinand was determined to win. He designed a mechanical system so complex even motherfucking Adolf Hitler (of all people) found it was too complicated. The hybrid drive Porsche designed was a pain in the balls to repair, small hills could cause the thing to break apart, and on top of that, the already strained drive system was fucked over by additional tons of armor. On top of it, Porsche was [[FAIL\|so certain his design would be chosen that he started mass-production before being awarded the contract]]. Cue a gigantic waste of one-hundred heavy tank chassis just sitting around and doing nothing useful.

	In order to at least do ''something'' with that ungodly waste, the hundred-odd chassis were converted into Elefants, which were by and large one of the worst German ~~tanks~~ ever produced. The Elefant was also a massive death trap, as ~~it's~~ large flat ~~space~~ was perfect for an APCR shell to pass right through and slice half the tank crew into mincemeat. The thing required Panzergrenadiers and the addition of an MG34 just for it to not be vulnerable to infantry assaults. But the real kicker? At the Battle of Kursk, nearly half the damn things were detonated by their crews and/or captured primarily because they had mechanical failures.		In order to at least do ''something'' with all that ungodly waste, the hundred-odd chassis he'd produced were converted into Elefants, which were by and large one of the worst German AFVs ever produced. The Elefant was also a massive death trap, as its large flat armor panels was perfect for an APCR shell to pass right through and slice half the tank crew into mincemeat. The thing required Panzergrenadiers and the addition of an MG34 just for it to not be vulnerable to infantry assaults. But the real kicker? At the Battle of Kursk, nearly half the damn things were detonated by their crews and/or captured primarily because they had mechanical failures.

	<s>By a miracle of Hitler or some shit</s> Because of a combination of the ungodly effective range of the 'acht-acht', the fact ~~the battle of~~ Kursk was widely fought in open plains where said range was put to good use and the Russians kept coming in order to curbstomp the Germans rather than just hold the line; the ''Elefant'' was able to claim tons of kills and make it appear like it was an efficient tank-hunter on paper and kill/death ratio only. They survived until the end of the war, but some units sent to Italy found themselves entirely useless as pretty much any given Italian bridge couldn't handle the 70 tons of [[Bullshit]] that was this tank.		<s>By a miracle of Hitler or some shit</s> Because of a combination of the ungodly effective range of the 'acht-acht', the fact that Kursk was widely fought in open plains where said range was put to good use and the Russians kept coming in order to curbstomp the Germans rather than just hold the line; the ''Elefant'' was able to claim tons of kills and make it appear like it was an efficient tank-hunter on paper and kill/death ratio only. They survived until the end of the war, but some units sent to Italy found themselves entirely useless as pretty much any given Italian bridge couldn't handle the 70 tons of [[Bullshit]] that was this tank.

	While all of the above things are quite valid, the tank really was nothing more than a [[METAL BAWKSES\|METAL BAWKS]] with the WW2 equivalent of a Lascannon, it continues to be a favorite among [[/k/\|Wehraboos]], [[Girls und Panzer\|~~weaboos~~]], and [[/v/\|people who mistake video games for real-life]]. The Elefant, and the chassis it was based on, had 200mm of (very heavy) armor, which as noted above, was extremely flat (this was because when the underlying chassis was designed, no one had yet thought to ~~angle~~ the armor, even the final Tiger design was totally flat). Porsche thought the only way to ensure its survivability was just ~~slamming~~ more armor ~~down~~, which led to all the weight, transmission, and power failures described above. That being said, 20cm of armor did absolutely nothing when hit by heavy HE artillery. The Soviet counter to the Elefant and Tiger was the SU-152, a massive 152mm artillery piece mounted on the [[KV\|similarly failed-heavy tank KV-1S]] and the closest thing to [[Commissar Dan\|direct-fire artillery]]. The shell was so large, the blast could simply wreck the vehicle and kill everyone inside through shrapnel flaking off the ~~armor~~. Of the tanks that the SU could kill, though, the Ferdinand took the ''least'' actual damage simply because of how heavy the vehicle was, and could be repaired and recrewed overnight. [[Grimdark\|Sure, Everyone inside would die a gruesome death as the interior would fill with shrapnel, but once the nazis hosed out all the blood and replaced some parts they could shove the next crew in there.]]		While all of the above things are quite valid, the tank really was nothing more than a [[METAL BAWKSES\|METAL BAWKS]] with the WW2 equivalent of a Lascannon, it continues to be a favorite among [[/k/\|Wehraboos]], [[Girls und Panzer\|weeaboos]], and [[/v/\|people who mistake video games for real-life]]. The Elefant, and the chassis it was based on, had 200mm of (very heavy) armor, which as noted above, was extremely flat (this was because when the underlying chassis was designed, no one had yet thought to slope the armor, even the final Tiger design was totally flat). Porsche thought the only way to ensure its survivability was just sticking more armor on the damn thing, which led to all the weight, transmission, and power failures described above. That being said, 20cm of armor did absolutely nothing when hit by heavy HE artillery. The Soviet counter to the Elefant and Tiger was the SU-152, a massive 152mm artillery piece mounted on the [[KV\|similarly failed-heavy tank KV-1S]] and the closest thing to [[Commissar Dan\|direct-fire artillery]] that existed. The shell was so large, the blast could simply wreck the vehicle and kill everyone inside through spalling (shrapnel flaking off the interior and turning the crew compartment into a meat grinder). Of the tanks that the SU could kill, though, the Ferdinand took the ''least'' actual damage simply because of how heavy the vehicle was, and could be repaired and recrewed overnight. [[Grimdark\|Sure, Everyone inside would die a gruesome death as the interior would fill with shrapnel, but once the nazis hosed out all the blood and replaced some parts they could shove the next crew in there.]]

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47.5.179.247 at 17:04, 18 August 2022

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	[[File:Ferdinand Tank Destroyer.png\|thumb\|''Whrrrrrrrrrrrr'' CHUNKIKCK "Mein Gott Jonas! It did it again!"]]		[[File:Ferdinand Tank Destroyer.png\|thumb\|''Whrrrrrrrrrrrr'' CHUNKIKCK "Mein Gott Jonas! It did it again!"]]
	~~{{Fail}}~~
	{{topquote\|SLOWEST. PORSCHE. EVER!\|Elefant Commander, Company of Heroes 2}}		{{topquote\|SLOWEST. PORSCHE. EVER!\|Elefant Commander, Company of Heroes 2}}

1d4chan>Nubnuber at 23:50, 26 June 2022

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	{{topquote\|SLOWEST. PORSCHE. EVER!\|Elefant Commander, Company of Heroes 2}}		{{topquote\|SLOWEST. PORSCHE. EVER!\|Elefant Commander, Company of Heroes 2}}

	The '''Elefant''', also known as the '''Ferdinand''', ~~also known as~~ the Panzerjager Tiger P (Sd.Kfz 164), or more simply, '''THAT FUCKING PIECE OF JUNK''', was a brilliant combination of everything wrong with German tanks during the Second World War. It is THE example of how to fail at tanks. It does mount the same lethal 88mm cannon that went into the Tiger, but that was the only thing that went right with the Elefant. It was a bad idea from the start, and it got a lot worse in a hurry.		The '''Elefant''', also known as the '''Ferdinand''', the '''Panzerjager Tiger P (Sd.Kfz 164)''', or more simply, '''THAT FUCKING PIECE OF JUNK''', was a brilliant combination of everything wrong with German tanks during the Second World War. It is THE example of how to fail at tanks. It does mount the same lethal 88mm cannon that went into the Tiger, but that was the only thing that went right with the Elefant. It was a bad idea from the start, and it got a lot worse in a hurry.

	==Mid War==		==Mid War==

1d4chan>Rocko1345: /* Mid War */

2022-05-14T13:55:46Z

Mid War

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	[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]		[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]
	It's a bad tank but we'll give you the reasons why.		It's a bad tank but we'll give you the reasons why.
	When looking at this thing the first thing you'll usually notice is it's '''16 FRONTAL ARMOR''' and '''17 ANTI-TANK''', to those who like [[Powergamer\|big numbers]], this may seem godly right? Ahahahaaha, no. While a veteran skill level is pretty good, your going to ''suffer'' with a Reluctant motivation. Furthermore with 4+ cross, you will find yourself constantly bogged down if you so much as think about crossing terrain more difficult than a paved road.		When looking at this thing the first thing you'll usually notice is it's '''16 FRONTAL ARMOR''' and '''17 ANTI-TANK''' (which really doesn't mean much when you still have to pass the +3 firepower check), to those who like [[Powergamer\|big numbers]], this may seem godly right? Ahahahaaha, no. While a veteran skill level is pretty good, your going to ''suffer'' with a Reluctant motivation. Furthermore with 4+ cross, you will find yourself constantly bogged down if you so much as think about crossing terrain more difficult than a paved road.

	==Late War==		==Late War==

1d4chan>Rocko1345 at 22:15, 13 May 2022

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	[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]		[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]
	It's a bad tank but we'll give you the reasons why.		It's a bad tank but we'll give you the reasons why.
	When at this thing the first thing you'll usually notice is it's '''16 FRONTAL ARMOR''' and '''17 ANTI-TANK''', to those who like [[Powergamer\|big numbers]], this may seem godly right? Ahahahaaha, no. While a veteran skill level is pretty good, your going to ''suffer'' with a Reluctant motivation. Furthermore with 4+ cross, you will find yourself constantly bogged down if you so much as think about crossing terrain more difficult than a paved road.		When looking at this thing the first thing you'll usually notice is it's '''16 FRONTAL ARMOR''' and '''17 ANTI-TANK''', to those who like [[Powergamer\|big numbers]], this may seem godly right? Ahahahaaha, no. While a veteran skill level is pretty good, your going to ''suffer'' with a Reluctant motivation. Furthermore with 4+ cross, you will find yourself constantly bogged down if you so much as think about crossing terrain more difficult than a paved road.

	==Late War==		==Late War==

1d4chan>Rocko1345: Some game facts

2022-05-13T17:06:15Z

Some game facts

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	==Mid War==		==Mid War==
	[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]		[[File:Ferdinand Statcard.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Don't look at these stat's too hard ''Freund'', they just may break.]]
	It's a bad tank.		It's a bad tank but we'll give you the reasons why.
			When at this thing the first thing you'll usually notice is it's '''16 FRONTAL ARMOR''' and '''17 ANTI-TANK''', to those who like [[Powergamer\|big numbers]], this may seem godly right? Ahahahaaha, no. While a veteran skill level is pretty good, your going to ''suffer'' with a Reluctant motivation. Furthermore with 4+ cross, you will find yourself constantly bogged down if you so much as think about crossing terrain more difficult than a paved road.

	==Late War==		==Late War==

1d4chan>MiaoKobayashisDragonMaid: /* IRL */

2022-05-02T06:10:31Z

IRL

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	<s>By a miracle of Hitler or some shit</s> Because of a combination of the ungodly effective range of the 'acht-acht', the fact the battle of Kursk was widely fought in open plains where said range was put to good use and the Russians kept coming in order to curbstomp the Germans rather than just hold the line; the ''Elefant'' was able to claim tons of kills and make it appear like it was an efficient tank-hunter on paper and kill/death ratio only. They survived until the end of the war, but some units sent to Italy found themselves entirely useless as pretty much any given Italian bridge couldn't handle the 70 tons of [[Bullshit]] that was this tank.		<s>By a miracle of Hitler or some shit</s> Because of a combination of the ungodly effective range of the 'acht-acht', the fact the battle of Kursk was widely fought in open plains where said range was put to good use and the Russians kept coming in order to curbstomp the Germans rather than just hold the line; the ''Elefant'' was able to claim tons of kills and make it appear like it was an efficient tank-hunter on paper and kill/death ratio only. They survived until the end of the war, but some units sent to Italy found themselves entirely useless as pretty much any given Italian bridge couldn't handle the 70 tons of [[Bullshit]] that was this tank.

	While all of the above things are quite valid, the tank really was nothing more than a [[METAL BAWKSES\|METAL BAWKS]] with the WW2 equivalent of a Lascannon, it continues to be a favorite among [[/k/\|Wehraboos]], [[Girls und Panzer\|weaboos]], and [[/v/\|people who mistake video games for real-life]]. The Elefant, and the chassis it was based on, had 200mm of (very heavy) armor, which as noted above, was extremely flat (this was because when the underlying chassis was designed, no one had yet thought to angle the armor, even the final Tiger design was totally flat). Porsche thought the only way to ensure its survivability was just slamming more armor down, which led to all the weight, transmission, and power failures described above. That being said, 20cm of armor did absolutely nothing when hit by heavy HE artillery. The Soviet counter to the Elefant and Tiger was the SU-152, a massive 152mm artillery piece mounted on the [[KV\|similarly failed-heavy tank KV-1]] and the closest thing to [[Commissar Dan\|direct-fire artillery]]. The shell was so large, the blast could simply wreck the vehicle and kill everyone inside through shrapnel flaking off the armor.		While all of the above things are quite valid, the tank really was nothing more than a [[METAL BAWKSES\|METAL BAWKS]] with the WW2 equivalent of a Lascannon, it continues to be a favorite among [[/k/\|Wehraboos]], [[Girls und Panzer\|weaboos]], and [[/v/\|people who mistake video games for real-life]]. The Elefant, and the chassis it was based on, had 200mm of (very heavy) armor, which as noted above, was extremely flat (this was because when the underlying chassis was designed, no one had yet thought to angle the armor, even the final Tiger design was totally flat). Porsche thought the only way to ensure its survivability was just slamming more armor down, which led to all the weight, transmission, and power failures described above. That being said, 20cm of armor did absolutely nothing when hit by heavy HE artillery. The Soviet counter to the Elefant and Tiger was the SU-152, a massive 152mm artillery piece mounted on the [[KV\|similarly failed-heavy tank KV-1S]] and the closest thing to [[Commissar Dan\|direct-fire artillery]]. The shell was so large, the blast could simply wreck the vehicle and kill everyone inside through shrapnel flaking off the armor. Of the tanks that the SU could kill, though, the Ferdinand took the ''least'' actual damage simply because of how heavy the vehicle was, and could be repaired and recrewed overnight. [[Grimdark\|Sure, Everyone inside would die a gruesome death as the interior would fill with shrapnel, but once the nazis hosed out all the blood and replaced some parts they could shove the next crew in there.]]

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