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	{{Infobox Spess Mahreen Chapter		{{Infobox Spess Mahreen Chapter
	\|Name = Fists Exemplar		\|Name = Fists Exemplar
	\|Heraldry =		\|Heraldry =
	\|Battle Cry =		\|Battle Cry =
	\|Founding = [[Second Founding]]		\|Founding = [[Second Founding]]
	\|Successors of = [[Imperial Fists]]		\|Successors of = [[Imperial Fists]]
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	\|Current Chapter Master = Gregor Dessian		\|Current Chapter Master = Gregor Dessian
	\|Primarch = [[Rogal Dorn]]		\|Primarch = [[Rogal Dorn]]
	\|Homeworld = Originally fleet based, then '''Eidolica''', now the [[Phalanx]]		\|Homeworld = Originally fleet based, then '''Eidolica''', now the [[Phalanx]]
	\|Specialty = Embracing the codex more warmly than their brother chapters.		\|Specialty = Embracing the codex more warmly than their brother chapters.
	\|Strength = Officially zero, secretly [[Imperial Fists\|a full 1000]]		\|Strength = Officially zero, secretly [[Imperial Fists\|a full 1000]]
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	However, the Imperial Fists are noted to have been involved in [[The Beheading]] in 546.M32, meaning they somehow made a miraculous recovery. Which is not feasible given the short space of time with which to culture new gene-seed and train marines. Not only that, but captain '''[[Maximus Thane]]''' has purportedly inscribed his name on Dorn's skeletal hand; an honour usually reserved for Imperial Fist chapter masters.		However, the Imperial Fists are noted to have been involved in [[The Beheading]] in 546.M32, meaning they somehow made a miraculous recovery. Which is not feasible given the short space of time with which to culture new gene-seed and train marines. Not only that, but captain '''[[Maximus Thane]]''' has purportedly inscribed his name on Dorn's skeletal hand; an honour usually reserved for Imperial Fist chapter masters.

	That, coupled with the Fists Exemplars lack of recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that the Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history, as the Imperium would likely not publicly allow a First Founding chapter and the protectors of Terra to fall in such ignominy."		That, coupled with the Fists Exemplars lack of recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that the Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history, as the Imperium would likely not publicly allow a First Founding chapter and the protectors of Terra to fall in such ignominy.

	This was outright confirmed in ''Shadow of Ullanor'', which reveals that the Fists Exemplar formed the core of a "reborn" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. This was a measure deemed necessary by Thane, who recognised the disastrous signal that the wholesale destruction of a First Founding Chapter (and the Protectors of Terra, at that!) would send.		This was outright confirmed in ''Shadow of Ullanor'', which reveals that the Fists Exemplar formed the core of a "reborn" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. This was a measure deemed necessary by Thane, who recognised the disastrous signal that the wholesale destruction of a First Founding Chapter (and the Protectors of Terra, at that!) would send.

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	Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.		Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.

	Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

	While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they don't really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We don't see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.		While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they don't really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We don't see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.

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	Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.		Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.

	Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

	While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they don't really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We don't see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.		While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they don't really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We don't see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.

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	==The next Imperial Fists==		==The next Imperial Fists==
	Before The War of the Beast series was completed, there was a theory among fans about the Fists Exemplar and the Imperial Fists. It ran something like this:		Before The War of the Beast series was completed, there was a theory among fans about the Fists Exemplar and the Imperial Fists. It ran something like this:

	"There is little to no mention of the Fists Exemplar in the fluff outside of the Beast Arises series, which took place on 544.M32. During this war, the Imperial Fists chapter itself was reduced to a single Battle-Brother following the initial Ork invasion of '''Ardamantua''', leaving the Phalanx near abandoned and the Chapter practically extinct.		"There is little to no mention of the Fists Exemplar in the fluff outside of the Beast Arises series, which took place on 544.M32. During this war, the Imperial Fists chapter itself was reduced to a single Battle-Brother following the initial Ork invasion of '''Ardamantua''', leaving the Phalanx near abandoned and the Chapter practically extinct.
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	Eventually, a group of [[Black Templars]] rocked up to the IW-FE party, headed up by High Marshal Bohemond. Things went about as pleasantly as you might expect from a meeting of psychotic Knights Templar in Spess and their mortal enemies, with the three forces essentially becoming locked in a Mexican standoff - Bohemond screaming for the heads of the Iron Warriors, [[Warsmith]] Kalkator manipulating Zerberyn's doubts to his advantage, and the Fists Exemplar themselves divided between the two camps.		Eventually, a group of [[Black Templars]] rocked up to the IW-FE party, headed up by High Marshal Bohemond. Things went about as pleasantly as you might expect from a meeting of psychotic Knights Templar in Spess and their mortal enemies, with the three forces essentially becoming locked in a Mexican standoff - Bohemond screaming for the heads of the Iron Warriors, [[Warsmith]] Kalkator manipulating Zerberyn's doubts to his advantage, and the Fists Exemplar themselves divided between the two camps.

	With the battle-lines drawn and Bohemond ignoring any attempts at negotiations, Zerberyn made his choice. He blew Bohemond's head off more or less in front of everyone present, before pulling rank on the rest of his detachment to command them to fight on the side of the Iron Warriors. All but one company joined him in his rebellion, and joined the Iron Warriors with the last loyal company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists.		With the battle-lines drawn and Bohemond ignoring any attempts at negotiations, Zerberyn made his choice. He blew Bohemond's head off more or less in front of everyone present, before pulling rank on the rest of his detachment to command them to fight on the side of the Iron Warriors. All but one company joined him in his rebellion, and joined the Iron Warriors with the last loyal company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists.

	Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.		Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.
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	Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

	While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they ~~dont~~ really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We ~~dont~~ see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.		While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they don't really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We don't see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.

	(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).		(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).

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	Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

			While the fluff here isn't quite perfect, the fall of the Fists Exemplar is a pretty cool subplot in the Beast books, and one that solves some thematic holes. Its all about their pride, and how that makes them scornful even of other Marines and each other. Zerberyn sees the Iron Warriors like cool older brothers who just please themselves and aren't bound to the whims of lessers, so why not just do that? But they dont really have a goal except being feudal lords, just using the crisis to split off and be king. We dont see a lot of that and this fa/tg/uy likes it. Also their treachery led to Thane also being "last of the chapter" like Koorland was, which is a nice touch. In a series that really does go on too long, the Exemplars are a pleasing closed loop who are suitably grimdark.

	(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).		(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).

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	With the battle-lines drawn and Bohemond ignoring any attempts at negotiations, Zerberyn made his choice. He blew Bohemond's head off more or less in front of everyone present, before pulling rank on the rest of his detachment to command them to fight on the side of the Iron Warriors. All but one company joined him in his rebellion, and joined the Iron Warriors with the last loyal company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists.		With the battle-lines drawn and Bohemond ignoring any attempts at negotiations, Zerberyn made his choice. He blew Bohemond's head off more or less in front of everyone present, before pulling rank on the rest of his detachment to command them to fight on the side of the Iron Warriors. All but one company joined him in his rebellion, and joined the Iron Warriors with the last loyal company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists.

	Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the ~~Imperia~~ Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.		Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperial Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.

	Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's ~~be that~~ that particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's possible that the particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

	(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).		(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).

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	==The next Imperial Fists==		==The next Imperial Fists==
	~~As noted~~, there ~~is little to no mention of~~ the Fists Exemplar in the ~~fluff outside of the Beast Arises series, which took place on 544.M32~~.		Before The War of the Beast series was completed, there was a theory among fans about the Fists Exemplar and the Imperial Fists. It ran something like this:

	During this war, the Imperial Fists chapter itself was reduced to a ~~man~~ following the initial Ork invasion of '''Ardamantua''', leaving the Phalanx near abandoned and the Chapter practically extinct.		"There is little to no mention of the Fists Exemplar in the fluff outside of the Beast Arises series, which took place on 544.M32. During this war, the Imperial Fists chapter itself was reduced to a single Battle-Brother following the initial Ork invasion of '''Ardamantua''', leaving the Phalanx near abandoned and the Chapter practically extinct.

	However, the Imperial Fists are noted to have been involved in [[The Beheading]] in 546.M32, meaning they somehow made a miraculous recovery. Which is not feasible given the short space of time with which to culture new gene-seed and train marines.		However, the Imperial Fists are noted to have been involved in [[The Beheading]] in 546.M32, meaning they somehow made a miraculous recovery. Which is not feasible given the short space of time with which to culture new gene-seed and train marines. Not only that, but captain '''[[Maximus Thane]]''' has purportedly inscribed his name on Dorn's skeletal hand; an honour usually reserved for Imperial Fist chapter masters.

	~~Not only~~ that, ~~but captain '''[[Maximus Thane]]''' has purportedly inscribed his name on Dorn's skeletal hand; an honour usually reserved for Imperial Fist~~ chapter ~~masters~~.		That, coupled with the Fists Exemplars lack of recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that the Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history, as the Imperium would likely not publicly allow a First Founding chapter and the protectors of Terra to fall in such ignominy."

	~~That~~, ~~coupled with~~ the Fists ~~Exemplars lack~~ of ~~recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that~~ the ~~Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history~~, as the ~~Imperium would likely not publicly allow~~ a First Founding ~~chapter~~ and the ~~protectors~~ of Terra ~~to fall in such ignominy~~.		This was outright confirmed in ''Shadow of Ullanor'', which reveals that the Fists Exemplar formed the core of a "reborn" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. This was a measure deemed necessary by Thane, who recognised the disastrous signal that the wholesale destruction of a First Founding Chapter (and the Protectors of Terra, at that!) would send.

	~~Confirmed in Shadow of Ullanor~~, the ~~Fists Exemplar formed~~ the ~~core of a~~ "~~reborn~~" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. When the remaining members of the old Fists Exemplar defected to join the Iron Warriors (said unit under the First Captain, Zerbyrn, ~~was forced to ally with them earlier as they lost contact with the Imperium during WAAAAGH! The Beast and all but one of the companies in this unit joined~~ the ~~Iron Warriors after killing Imperial forces in their defense, with said one company returning and joining~~ the ~~rebuilt Imperial Fists), Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master, had all records of his former Chapter destroyed - thus explaining their absence in the list~~ of ~~known Second Founding Chapters. Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however, the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join~~ them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. Or in universe it could be explained by that that particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them in as they were desperate for manpower. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		So, you might ask, if only the best marines from the successors went into the "new" Imperial Fists, where the fuck did the rest of them go?

	(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion)		Well, not all the Fists Exemplar were present at Terra. A detachment under their First Captain, Zerberyn, was away from Terra at the time this decision was made; weakened and cut off from the Imperium, they were forced to ally with the [[Iron Warriors]] of all people against the Beast's seemingly unstoppable Ork hordes. During this time, Zerberyn [[heresy\|actually came to see the sense in some of the Iron Warriors' tactics]] and even began having doubts about what to do; this uncertainty was worsened after being forced to kill Imperial forces in self-defence due to a particularly fanatical Inquisitor threatening the whole Chapter's death over his group's alliance with the IW.

			Eventually, a group of [[Black Templars]] rocked up to the IW-FE party, headed up by High Marshal Bohemond. Things went about as pleasantly as you might expect from a meeting of psychotic Knights Templar in Spess and their mortal enemies, with the three forces essentially becoming locked in a Mexican standoff - Bohemond screaming for the heads of the Iron Warriors, [[Warsmith]] Kalkator manipulating Zerberyn's doubts to his advantage, and the Fists Exemplar themselves divided between the two camps.

			With the battle-lines drawn and Bohemond ignoring any attempts at negotiations, Zerberyn made his choice. He blew Bohemond's head off more or less in front of everyone present, before pulling rank on the rest of his detachment to command them to fight on the side of the Iron Warriors. All but one company joined him in his rebellion, and joined the Iron Warriors with the last loyal company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists.

			Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master in their absence, was [[RAGE\|completely apoplectic at what had happened]] and ordered the last surviving officer to destroy their records, relics, and rituals before subsuming the remnants of the Fists Exemplar into the Imperia Fists to conceal the stigma of their becoming the first Chapter to fall to Chaos since the Horus Heresy - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters.

			Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however. Most of the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. In-universe, it's be that that particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them, as they were desperate for manpower and had lost most of their bases. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

			(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion).

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	That, coupled with the Fists Exemplars lack of recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that the Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history, as the Imperium would likely not publicly allow a First Founding chapter and the protectors of Terra to fall in such ignominy.		That, coupled with the Fists Exemplars lack of recognition elsewhere seems to suggest that the Exemplars neatly replaced their parent Chapter in history, as the Imperium would likely not publicly allow a First Founding chapter and the protectors of Terra to fall in such ignominy.

	Confirmed in Shadow of Ullanor, the Fists Exemplar formed the core of a "reborn" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. When the remaining members of the old Fists Exemplar defected to join the Iron Warriors (said unit under the First Captain, Zerbyrn, was forced to ally with them earlier as they lost contact with the Imperium during WAAAAGH! The Beast and all but one of the companies in this unit joined the Iron Warriors after killing Imperial forces in their defense, with said one company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists), Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master, had all records of his former Chapter destroyed - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters. Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however, the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. Or in universe it could be explained by that that particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them in as they were desperate for manpower. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of ~~Terro~~ and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.		Confirmed in Shadow of Ullanor, the Fists Exemplar formed the core of a "reborn" Imperial Fists chapter made up of the greatest Marines from all the successor chapters. When the remaining members of the old Fists Exemplar defected to join the Iron Warriors (said unit under the First Captain, Zerbyrn, was forced to ally with them earlier as they lost contact with the Imperium during WAAAAGH! The Beast and all but one of the companies in this unit joined the Iron Warriors after killing Imperial forces in their defense, with said one company returning and joining the rebuilt Imperial Fists), Thane, having become the Imperial Fists Chapter Master, had all records of his former Chapter destroyed - thus explaining their absence in the list of known Second Founding Chapters. Strange how they would tolerate them joining ranks however, the Iron Warriors would sooner exterminate themselves than allow pure Imperial Fists to join them. They ''barely'' tolerate the Warsmith [[Honsou]] for having both Iron Warrior and Imperial Fist gene-seed and even then they hate him for existing. Most likely the author realized the Fists Exemplar had been dropped out of the Codexes (perhaps forgotten about or just disliked by Geedubs for being an odd one out among their Legion) and decided to make a reason for it for whatever reason. Or in universe it could be explained by that that particular Iron Warriors commander was so low on troops at that time that they had no choice but to accept them in as they were desperate for manpower. Alternatively, the gene-seed racism may not have been as bad several thousand years before Honsou's time. It's likely a combination of both as the Iron Warriors Warband was probably also cut off from the Eye of Terror and the greater part of the Legion during the War of the Beast.

	(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion)		(Perturabo might have smirked at the fact that Dorn's Sons have defected to his Legion)

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