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	The next grade up is [[Carapace Armor]]. Which is actually a very large leap in quality. From a reasonable infantry armor sufficient against small arms to an infantry armor capable of tanking self-propelled small cannon shells. There is also an intermediate armor infrequently used called Combat Armor. This is light carapace plates covered in cameleoline and the light carapace is mounted atop flak armor. Said cameleoline makes it incredibly good at camouflage, so a particularly lucky veteran sniper may find themselves in one.		The next grade up is [[Carapace Armor]]. Which is actually a very large leap in quality. From a reasonable infantry armor sufficient against small arms to an infantry armor capable of tanking self-propelled small cannon shells. There is also an intermediate armor infrequently used called Combat Armor. This is light carapace plates covered in cameleoline and the light carapace is mounted atop flak armor. Said cameleoline makes it incredibly good at camouflage, so a particularly lucky veteran sniper may find themselves in one.

			== Gallery ==
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			File:IG_Flak_Armor_Sergeant.jpg
			File:IG_Flak_and_Carapace_Armors_ft_Medic.png\|Flak and Carapce armours
			File:Guardsman_by_mrmao.jpg\| An interpretation of a Guardsman's BDU and equipment.
			File:Streumon-studio-shdw-s-chap02d-games-workshop.jpg\|Mannequins wearing abandoned Flak Armor from [[Space Hulk: Deathwing]]
			</gallery>

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	[[image:IG Flak Armor.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|left\|Arguably the most common type of flak armor in the 40k universe, based off the Cadian Shock Troopers standard gear. Noticeably lacking in the wiener department, and oddly doesn't protect the belly quite as well as the thorax.]]		[[image:IG Flak Armor.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|left\|Arguably the most common type of flak armor in the 40k universe, based off the Cadian Shock Troopers standard gear. Noticeably lacking in the wiener department, and oddly doesn't protect the belly quite as well as the thorax.]]
	For example, modern Earth ballistic vests, constructed from Aramids like Kevlar, are either light weight vests that provide reasonable protection only against shrapnel and weaker rounds, such as .45 and 9mm, up to .357 and .44 Magnum or poor penetrating (will stop a shotgun slug but will result cracked and broken ribs at most, bruising like Mike Tyson punched you at the least), or heavy ballistic vests that equip heavier hard armour inserts that provide more coverage and withstand more powerful rounds, all the way up to armour piercing sniper rounds (at 7.62 mm / .30-06 caliber; assuming the wearer has some sort of metal or ceramic insert and can endure 3-12 shots from modern assault rifles before shattering depending on generation). Even then, modern body armor, composed of ceramic; titanium; and ballistic fiber at its finest, is useless against heavy machine gun to autocannon caliber ammunition (12.7 mm / .50 BMG and above) with, at best, a glancing hit to the best armored points "only" shattering bones rather than blowing limbs off.		For example, modern Earth ballistic vests, constructed from Aramids like Kevlar, are either light weight vests that provide reasonable protection only against shrapnel and weaker rounds, such as .45 and 9mm, up to .357 and .44 Magnum or poor penetrating (will stop a shotgun slug but will result cracked and broken ribs at most, bruising like Mike Tyson punched you at the least), or heavy ballistic vests that equip heavier hard armour inserts that provide more coverage and withstand more powerful rounds, all the way up to armour piercing sniper rounds (at 7.62 mm / .30-06 caliber), assuming the wearer has some sort of metal or ceramic insert and can endure 3-12 shots from modern assault rifles before shattering depending on generation). Even then, modern body armor, composed of ceramic, titanium, and ballistic fiber at its finest, is useless against heavy machine gun to autocannon caliber ammunition (12.7 mm / .50 BMG and above) with, at best, a glancing hit to the best armored points "only" shattering bones rather than blowing limbs off.

	According to lore, Flak armour gives a chance to not only survive a couple of impacts from a light machine gun or several from autoguns, but the wearer remains able to continue fighting (assuming it hits the chest piece); all while not weighing down the soldier significantly. When dealing with a local rebellion or facing pirates, bandits, [[Necromunda\|hive-gangsters]] or the rag tag forces of the [[lost and the damned]], a suit of flak armour is an [[Emperor]]-send and often means the difference between survival and a gruesome death. After all, it's said that any stubber at and below rifle caliber will ([[skub\|supposedly]]) not pierce any part of the Flak Armour. So, in theory, Flak Armor makes you much harder to cut down, and fluffwise, it has also been said a laspistol will not defeat the chest armor. There are two thing to note: First Stubbers are ''THE'' most common type of weapon in the entire galaxy. Their ease of construction and maintenance means that they are the most likely weapons the Guard would most likely face. Flak Armour is known to deflect Autogun rounds (8.25mm bullets ("8mm Mauser" used 8.22mm bullets)) from a certain angle via the sloping effect, so it would most likely tank a direct hit of the much smaller bullets chambered to fire in primitive stubbers. The second is that of course lasguns are not ballistic weapon but energy weapons, so the requirement's to "deflect" a lasgun shot are different from that of a conventional weapon. That it can do both feats at once is no small accomplishment. (<s>Though it is noted to only stop ''glancing'' hits from a Lasgun - a laspistol is significantly lower power than your average Lasgun</s> lore has both glancing and direct hits, likely depending on pattern of both lasgun and armor, pistols in the lore have the same power as the full gun but shorter range, which is why they are mostly reserved for officers as that's very advanced tech.) However, it may be that the angle that it is hit at simply gives enough protection to block a shot.		According to lore, Flak armour gives a chance to not only survive a couple of impacts from a light machine gun or several from autoguns, but the wearer remains able to continue fighting (assuming it hits the chest piece), all while not weighing down the soldier significantly. When dealing with a local rebellion or facing pirates, bandits, [[Necromunda\|hive-gangsters]] or the rag tag forces of the [[lost and the damned]], a suit of flak armour is an [[Emperor]]-send and often means the difference between survival and a gruesome death. After all, it's said that any stubber at and below rifle caliber will ([[skub\|supposedly]]) not pierce any part of the Flak Armour. So, in theory, Flak Armor makes you much harder to cut down, and fluffwise, it has also been said a laspistol will not defeat the chest armor. There are two thing to note: First Stubbers are ''THE'' most common type of weapon in the entire galaxy. Their ease of construction and maintenance means that they are the most likely weapons the Guard would most likely face. Flak Armour is known to deflect Autogun rounds (8.25mm bullets ("8mm Mauser" used 8.22mm bullets)) from a certain angle via the sloping effect, so it would most likely tank a direct hit of the much smaller bullets chambered to fire in primitive stubbers. The second is that of course lasguns are not ballistic weapon but energy weapons, so the requirement's to "deflect" a lasgun shot are different from that of a conventional weapon. That it can do both feats at once is no small accomplishment. (<s>Though it is noted to only stop ''glancing'' hits from a Lasgun - a laspistol is significantly lower power than your average Lasgun</s> lore has both glancing and direct hits, likely depending on pattern of both lasgun and armor, pistols in the lore have the same power as the full gun but shorter range, which is why they are mostly reserved for officers as that's very advanced tech.) However, it may be that the angle that it is hit at simply gives enough protection to block a shot.

	Note that autoguns are to stubbers what 21st century guns are to WW2 small arms (and can be anything from caseless ammo to rail or gauss automatic weapons to rifles using gravity manipulating technology) and stubbers other than handcannons and heavy stubbers are outright incapable of penetrating flak armor at any range and from any angle and this also extends to the flak shirt and flak pants worn by tunnel rat regiments and potentially what is worn under the armor of all Guardsmen. Flak armor and lasguns are almost uniquely used by the Imperial Guard whereas nearly all rebels and cultists they fight use either mesh armor, armor weave, scrap plate that might eat a stub pistol, or nothing and usually wield stubbers and maybe a few autoguns. Since about eighty percent of the Guard only ever fights rebels and cultists, this makes the average Guardsman practically a Space Marine to his normal enemies which is part of the reason why flak armor and lasgun are standard issue instead of carapace or powered armor. There simply is no point in spending the money to issue better weapons and armor when you're practically invulnerable and invincible to your normal enemies already. When there is something like a WAAAGH!!! or Black Crusade or whatever else, just throw more men at it and lots and lots of tanks and artillery. Since the average Guardsman is nearly invincible against the average rebel or cultist, there are many armored and artillery regiments available to throw at space horrors. It all works out pretty well unless you're one of the ground pounders who has to keep pressure on an anti-tank position while being shredded by anti-infantry you also have to keep busy while your own heavy support gets into position without being killed so they can save your ass so the tanks can come and kill everything. But hey, that's what conscripts and especially [[Penal legion]]s are for. Literally.		Note that autoguns are to stubbers what 21st century guns are to WW2 small arms (and can be anything from caseless ammo to rail or gauss automatic weapons to rifles using gravity manipulating technology) and stubbers other than handcannons and heavy stubbers are outright incapable of penetrating flak armor at any range and from any angle and this also extends to the flak shirt and flak pants worn by tunnel rat regiments and potentially what is worn under the armor of all Guardsmen. Flak armor and lasguns are almost uniquely used by the Imperial Guard whereas nearly all rebels and cultists they fight use either mesh armor, armor weave, scrap plate that might eat a stub pistol, or nothing and usually wield stubbers and maybe a few autoguns. Since about eighty percent of the Guard only ever fights rebels and cultists, this makes the average Guardsman practically a Space Marine to his normal enemies which is part of the reason why flak armor and lasgun are standard issue instead of carapace or powered armor. There simply is no point in spending the money to issue better weapons and armor when you're practically invulnerable and invincible to your normal enemies already. When there is something like a WAAAGH!!! or Black Crusade or whatever else, just throw more men at it and lots and lots of tanks and artillery. Since the average Guardsman is nearly invincible against the average rebel or cultist, there are many armored and artillery regiments available to throw at space horrors. It all works out pretty well unless you're one of the ground pounders who has to keep pressure on an anti-tank position while being shredded by anti-infantry you also have to keep busy while your own heavy support gets into position without being killed so they can save your ass so the tanks can come and kill everything. But hey, that's what conscripts and especially [[Penal legion]]s are for. Literally.

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	That said, when it comes to protecting its user from guns which shoot [[Bolter\|19.05mm APHE rocket bullets]], [[Shuriken Catapult\|hyper-sonic monomolecular ninja stars]], [[Plasma\|bolts of compressed plasma]] as hot as a star's core designed to penetrate tank armor, [[Gauss\|molecular disassembling beams]] which can break down virtually any material into their constituent atoms, and similar weapons which are the standard equipment of many factions of [[Warhammer 40000]]'s tabletop game, ~~they are~~ of little more use than a common [[Meme\|T-shirt]]. Of course, if they miss, and shrapnel is thrown, the armor will probably save you, which is its purpose anyway.		That said, when it comes to protecting its user from guns which shoot [[Bolter\|19.05mm APHE rocket bullets]], [[Shuriken Catapult\|hyper-sonic monomolecular ninja stars]], [[Plasma\|bolts of compressed plasma]] as hot as a star's core designed to penetrate tank armor, [[Gauss\|molecular disassembling beams]] which can break down virtually any material into their constituent atoms, and similar weapons which are the standard equipment of many factions of [[Warhammer 40000]]'s tabletop game, flak is of little more use than a common [[Meme\|T-shirt]]. Of course, if they miss, and shrapnel is thrown, the armor will probably save you, which is its purpose anyway.

	Flak armour is also fairly cost efficient; it offers some protection in combat while costing less to produce, ship, and maintain than the soldier wearing it. This becomes less true as the armour becomes more complex. The quality of flak armor also varies wildly between manufacturers. Flak armor made on Mars, for example, would likely be space magic.		Flak armour is also fairly cost efficient; it offers some protection in combat while costing less to produce, ship, and maintain than the soldier wearing it. This becomes less true as the armour becomes more complex. The quality of flak armor also varies wildly between manufacturers. Flak armor made on Mars, for example, would likely be space magic.

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	That said, when it comes to protecting its user from guns which shoot [[Bolter\|~~.75, or (~~19.05mm) APHE rocket bullets]], [[Shuriken Catapult\|hyper-sonic monomolecular ninja ~~star assault rifles~~]], [[Plasma\|bolts of compressed plasma]] as hot as a star's core designed to penetrate tank armor, [[Gauss\|molecular disassembling beams]] which can break down virtually any material into their constituent atoms, and similar weapons which are the standard equipment of many factions of [[Warhammer 40000]]'s tabletop game, they are of little more use than a common [[Meme\|T-shirt]]. Of course, if they miss, and shrapnel is thrown, the armor will probably save you, which is its purpose anyway.		That said, when it comes to protecting its user from guns which shoot [[Bolter\|19.05mm APHE rocket bullets]], [[Shuriken Catapult\|hyper-sonic monomolecular ninja stars]], [[Plasma\|bolts of compressed plasma]] as hot as a star's core designed to penetrate tank armor, [[Gauss\|molecular disassembling beams]] which can break down virtually any material into their constituent atoms, and similar weapons which are the standard equipment of many factions of [[Warhammer 40000]]'s tabletop game, they are of little more use than a common [[Meme\|T-shirt]]. Of course, if they miss, and shrapnel is thrown, the armor will probably save you, which is its purpose anyway.

	Flak armour is also fairly cost efficient; it offers some protection in combat while costing less to produce, ship, and maintain than the soldier wearing it. This becomes less true as the armour becomes more complex. The quality of flak armor also varies wildly between manufacturers. Flak armor made on Mars, for example, would likely be space magic.		Flak armour is also fairly cost efficient; it offers some protection in combat while costing less to produce, ship, and maintain than the soldier wearing it. This becomes less true as the armour becomes more complex. The quality of flak armor also varies wildly between manufacturers. Flak armor made on Mars, for example, would likely be space magic.

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	With all that said and done, assuming every Lasgun has its fire settings switched to maximum, it is no wonder that the commonality of Lasguns makes it more odd to NOT see the usage of Flak armor in the hands of Imperial soldiers. And that equipment is considered sub-par in 40k. (This was partly paraphrased and partly quoted from user Rofl Tank in a YouTube comment about the Imperial Guard). Keep in mind that if a guardsmen was hit with a '13 megajoule' shot they would likely have every internal organ scrambled and sent flying back as the flak armor kept it from penetrating, but that energy had to still go somewhere. As is often the case when it comes to armor, the man is the point of failure. Assuming, of course, that the energy capture of the armor is terrible, which would be very 40k. But if it performs like modern plates, it should take it with little complaint.		With all that said and done, assuming every Lasgun has its fire settings switched to maximum, it is no wonder that the commonality of Lasguns makes it more odd to NOT see the usage of Flak armor in the hands of Imperial soldiers. And that equipment is considered sub-par in 40k. (This was partly paraphrased and partly quoted from user Rofl Tank in a YouTube comment about the Imperial Guard). Keep in mind that if a guardsmen was hit with a '13 megajoule' shot they would likely have every internal organ scrambled and sent flying back as the flak armor kept it from penetrating, but that energy had to still go somewhere. As is often the case when it comes to armor, the man is the point of failure. Assuming, of course, that the energy capture of the armor is terrible, which would be very 40k. But if it performs like modern plates, it should take it with little complaint.

	Flak armor comes in incredible variety. Some even have carapace armor sewn into them. There are also types of carapace armor that are technically a variant of flak due to being flak armor with sheathes plates of carapace in varying thickness and number can be inserted or removed. Art Almost always portrays flak armor with cracks and craters in it, making for very weird implications as to what common flak armor actually is. While tabletop has its crunch, lore flak armor is largely unpredictable.		Flak armor comes in incredible variety. Some even have carapace armor sewn into them. There are also types of carapace armor that are technically a variant of flak due to being flak armor with sheathes plates of carapace in varying thickness and number can be inserted or removed. Art Almost always portrays flak armor with cracks and craters in it, making for very [[Catachan_Jungle_Fighters\|weird implications]] as to what common flak armor actually is. While tabletop has its crunch, lore flak armor is largely unpredictable.

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	[[image:IG Flak Armor.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|left\|Arguably the most common type of flak armor in the 40k universe, based off the Cadian Shock Troopers standard gear. Noticeably lacking in the wiener department, and oddly doesn't protect the belly quite as well as the thorax ~~(though what ''looks'' like clothing there is actually still armor)~~]]		[[image:IG Flak Armor.jpg\|thumb\|250px\|left\|Arguably the most common type of flak armor in the 40k universe, based off the Cadian Shock Troopers standard gear. Noticeably lacking in the wiener department, and oddly doesn't protect the belly quite as well as the thorax.]]
	For example, modern Earth ballistic vests, constructed from Aramids like Kevlar, are either light weight vests that provide reasonable protection only against shrapnel and weaker rounds, such as .45 and 9mm, up to .357 and .44 Magnum or poor penetrating (will stop a shotgun slug but will result cracked and broken ribs at most, bruising like Mike Tyson punched you at the least), or heavy ballistic vests that equip heavier hard armour inserts that provide more coverage and withstand more powerful rounds, all the way up to armour piercing sniper rounds (at 7.62 mm / .30-06 caliber; assuming the wearer has some sort of metal or ceramic insert and can endure 3-12 shots from modern assault rifles before shattering depending on generation). Even then, modern body armor, composed of ceramic; titanium; and ballistic fiber at its finest, is useless against heavy machine gun to autocannon caliber ammunition (12.7 mm / .50 BMG and above) with, at best, a glancing hit to the best armored points "only" shattering bones rather than blowing limbs off.		For example, modern Earth ballistic vests, constructed from Aramids like Kevlar, are either light weight vests that provide reasonable protection only against shrapnel and weaker rounds, such as .45 and 9mm, up to .357 and .44 Magnum or poor penetrating (will stop a shotgun slug but will result cracked and broken ribs at most, bruising like Mike Tyson punched you at the least), or heavy ballistic vests that equip heavier hard armour inserts that provide more coverage and withstand more powerful rounds, all the way up to armour piercing sniper rounds (at 7.62 mm / .30-06 caliber; assuming the wearer has some sort of metal or ceramic insert and can endure 3-12 shots from modern assault rifles before shattering depending on generation). Even then, modern body armor, composed of ceramic; titanium; and ballistic fiber at its finest, is useless against heavy machine gun to autocannon caliber ammunition (12.7 mm / .50 BMG and above) with, at best, a glancing hit to the best armored points "only" shattering bones rather than blowing limbs off.

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	[[File:IG_Flak.JPG\|200px\|right\|thumb\|Everyone's favourite T-shirt armour.]]		[[File:IG_Flak.JPG\|200px\|right\|thumb\|Everyone's favourite T-shirt armour.]]

			{{Topquote\|Emperor protect my soul, ﬂak protect the rest. \|Common Imperial Guard saying}}

	'''Flak Armour''' (aka T-Shirts) is the most common form of [[Armor]] employed by the [[Imperium of Man]] and especially the [[Imperial Guard]]. Cheap and easy to make and manufacture by the average Imperial world, it is composed of multiple layers of ablative material, shock resistant material and ballistic textiles. Some layers commonly used include Carbon-fibre, Plasfibre and Thermoplas strips, although a number of specialised materials can be integrated in non-standard suits.		'''Flak Armour''' (aka T-Shirts) is the most common form of [[Armor]] employed by the [[Imperium of Man]] and especially the [[Imperial Guard]]. Cheap and easy to make and manufacture by the average Imperial world, it is composed of multiple layers of ablative material, shock resistant material and ballistic textiles. Some layers commonly used include Carbon-fibre, Plasfibre and Thermoplas strips, although a number of specialised materials can be integrated in non-standard suits.