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	{{French Forces in Flames of War}}		{{French Forces in Flames of War}}

	===Italy===		===[[Fascist Italy\|Italy]]===

	Ah, yes- the Italians. The ally Germany asked for but wound up wishing they'd never gotten. Italy shares the massive numbers of weak troops with the Soviets, but lacks the supporting equipment. Don't expect any decent tanks unless you take German allies (Semoventi are one of the few Mid-war SPG Artillery units the Axis can take as a core Formation, and just happen to not be subject to the whims of the Dice Gods when determining just how bad they could be, cuz Italian Arty are Veterans). The only tanks in the entire war that were definitely worse were those fielded by Japan (and theirs were basically made of paper). The Italians could fight extremely well when they wanted to, but the Italian people as a whole were not as fired up for an all-out war as Mussolini wanted them to be, and so the motivation and skill of Italian forces varied widely. Hence the special rules that give random motivation/skill ratings to their platoons, which can lead to hilarious lists where you either have elite hordes of Fearless Veterans or untrained masses of Reluctant Conscripts. Depending on the table you roll on, it's usually geared towards Confident Trained or Reluctant Trained. Still, absolutely hilarious for both sides when rolling.		Ah, yes- the Italians. The ally Germany asked for but wound up wishing they'd never gotten. Italy shares the massive numbers of weak troops with the Soviets, but lacks the supporting equipment. Don't expect any decent tanks unless you take German allies (Semoventi are one of the few Mid-war SPG Artillery units the Axis can take as a core Formation, and just happen to not be subject to the whims of the Dice Gods when determining just how bad they could be, cuz Italian Arty are Veterans). The only tanks in the entire war that were definitely worse were those fielded by Japan (and theirs were basically made of paper). The Italians could fight extremely well when they wanted to, but the Italian people as a whole were not as fired up for an all-out war as Mussolini wanted them to be, and so the motivation and skill of Italian forces varied widely. Hence the special rules that give random motivation/skill ratings to their platoons, which can lead to hilarious lists where you either have elite hordes of Fearless Veterans or untrained masses of Reluctant Conscripts. Depending on the table you roll on, it's usually geared towards Confident Trained or Reluctant Trained. Still, absolutely hilarious for both sides when rolling.

1d4chan>Thealphawolf1994: Finishing what I started last night, overhaul to represent 4th edition list building

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Finishing what I started last night, overhaul to represent 4th edition list building

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	In Fourth Edition, army lists have been drastically overhauled. Whereas previous editions used an army-wide Force Organization Chart, list building in 4th is a little more open ended, theoretically to represent concepts such as decentralized command and combined arms using formations. In addition, each faction now has their own dedicated book portraying a specific period and theater rather than the theater at large, with some theaters having a compendium of all factions.		In Fourth Edition, army lists have been drastically overhauled. Whereas previous editions used an army-wide Force Organization Chart, list building in 4th is a little more open ended, theoretically to represent concepts such as decentralized command and combined arms using formations. In addition, each faction now has their own dedicated book portraying a specific period and theater rather than the theater at large, with some theaters having a compendium of all factions.

	So how do you build a list once you've decided on the details like points cost, nation and period? Well first and foremost, you'll need at least one formation. Formations generally consist of a compulsory HQ and 2 compulsory combat units, with optional units to bulk them out if you so choose. You can also take		So how do you build a list once you've decided on the details like points cost, nation and period? Well first and foremost, you'll need at least one formation, but you can have as many as you want (so long as you can afford its points cost). Formations generally consist of a compulsory HQ and 2 compulsory combat units, with optional units to bulk them out if you so choose. You can also take support units that aren't part of any formation such as artillery, AT guns, recon units, aircraft etc. The units you can take will be outlined at the front of the book in a chart under the formations you can take. Your army can have formations without support, but never support without formations. This applies to both list-building and actual games - If at any point you only have support units on the table, game over!

	===Sample Army===		===Sample Army===

	Let's say you want to build a force representing the American forces in North Africa. This list will be set in the Mid War period, which means you can only use it against other Mid War lists. ~~You would then pick a nation,~~ in this case we will ~~pick Americans. You then go~~ to ~~the American section of the book~~ to ~~see which organization charts~~ you ~~can pick from~~. ~~Here~~ you can ~~choose from an Armoured company which uses Sherman Tanks, a Mechanized Company in armored half-tracks, an Infantry company, or a paratrooper company~~. ~~Here we choose the Infantry company. This~~ means ~~that~~ you ~~must now adhere~~ to ~~the organization chart that comes with this company~~. ~~Choosing the Infantry company means that your force is Confident trained (it will say this in the book)~~		Let's say you want to build a force representing the American forces in North Africa. This list will be set in the Mid War period, which means you can only use it against other Mid War lists. The appropriate book for this will either be the standalone book Fighting First or the section for said book in the North Africa compendium. In this case the compendium will be used to allow access to more units such as paratroopers. As mentioned above, you'll need at least one formation. Optionally, you can take command cards. They're by no means necessary but can open up different avenues of play and give you some thematic options for your army such as famous commanding officers. Worth at least getting a deck of to have all of your options available.

	Next, you pick the ~~platoons~~ for your ~~force~~, starting with the required ones. ~~You must take a Company Commander with a 2iC, and two infantry platoons. An average game of Flames of War is about 1500 points~~, so this ~~is what you~~ will ~~plan for. You look at the first entry, and the Company~~ HQ ~~has the option to take two bazooka teams with him for a few extra points. The extra firepower seems useful, so you take him~~ and ~~the two bazooka teams. You now look at the combat platoon requirements. You MUST take Two Infantry platoons~~, ~~with~~ the ~~option to take a 3rd~~. ~~Now you look at~~ the ~~Infantry platoon entry~~. ~~There is option of taking the infantry platoon with either 6 rifle teams plus~~ a ~~platoon command rifle team~~, ~~or 9 rifle teams plus~~ the ~~command rifle team~~. You ~~also have the option for a bazooka. Since you will want a solid foundation for your army list (and so you~~ can ~~get your platoon count up), you~~ take the ~~two minimum infantry platoons PLUS the extra platoon~~, ~~all at full strength. You also take the optional bazooka teams for added anti-tank capability~~.		Next, you pick the units for your formation, starting with the required ones represented by the black boxes of the formation chart. Generally speaking, this will be an HQ unit and 2 Combat units, but this isn't always the case. Most formations will also have optional units indicated by grey boxes in the formation chart. In cases where there are two concentric/overlapping boxes in a section, this allows for the player to choose. You can take one of those options or the other, but not both.

	~~Next you look at the optional weapon platoon options~~. The ~~organization chart says that you can take one mortar squad~~, ~~one mechanized platoon, one truck platoon, one machine gun platoon, one weapons platoon (this platoon comprises~~ of ~~light machine guns and light mortars), 2 anti tank platoons (armed with light anti tank guns, although one can be medium according~~ to ~~the entry) and 1 engineer platoon~~. ~~Since you~~ will ~~want your list to have a barrage template~~ for ~~pinning down the enemy or launching smoke, you choose the mortar platoon. After looking at its entry you see that you can~~ either ~~take 4 mortar teams plus~~ a ~~command rifle team and an observer rifle team,~~ or ~~6 mortar teams plus~~ a ~~command rifle team and an observer rifle team~~. ~~It has the option to take two bazooka teams and~~ a ~~car~~ for ~~the observer. However~~, ~~since~~ the ~~mortar platoon would sit further back~~, ~~you pass on the bazooka teams, which are only effective at close range. You also pass on the car as the observer needs to be stealthy and hidden, which is harder to do with a jeep or car~~.		An average game of Flames of War is about 100 points, so this is what we will aim for in this demonstration. NOTE: The list below isn't necessarily competitive or even good, but is simply for the purpose of demonstrating how to build an army. The first formation we'll pick will be is an Armored Rifle Company - Infantry riding in half-tracks. The HQ unit for this consists of 2 M1 Carbine Teams in either a half-track or a jeep. They both cost 2 points, so in this case it doesn't make a difference, but some formation HQ units allow for different configurations, numbers or upgrades listed in their section of the rulebook, so your mileage may vary.

	~~Lastly,~~ you ~~look at~~ the ~~Divisional Support options~~. ~~You can choose Air support~~, ~~Artillery support~~, ~~another medium anti-tank gun platoon~~, ~~a tank hunter platoon~~, ~~a Sherman platoon, a paratrooper platoon, an anti~~-~~aircraft platoon,~~ a ~~mobile anti-aircraft platoon, an engineer platoon,~~ and a ~~scout platoon~~. You ~~choose~~ the ~~artillery~~ platoon ~~since~~ the ~~Americans get nifty special rules that boost the effectiveness~~ of ~~their artillery. You then pick limited (which is actually~~ the ~~medium option~~) ~~air support to drive off enemy air support~~. ~~Noticing that your army is lacking anti-tank~~, ~~you take a Sherman Tank platoon to add a punch to your force, and a unit~~ of ~~medium anti-tank guns~~, ~~which you could have also taken in~~ the ~~Weapon~~ platoons ~~section~~.		Once you've got your HQ we need the compulsory combat units. The Armored Rifle Company requires two platoons of mechanized infantry. The platoons themselves will be a mix of M1 Garand rifle teams, Bazooka teams, M1919 LMG teams, 60mm mortar teams, and half-tracks with a single .50 cal Mg and a number of .30 cal MGs. You have the choice for each platoon of either 6 rifle teams, 5 bazooka teams and 5 total half-tracks for 15 points each or 4 each of rifle teams and bazooka teams (the other weapons will be of the same quantity in either case) and 4 total half-tracks for 12 points each. Infantry are really good at holding objectives and are generally better in numbers, especially when they're cheap as in the case of the good ol' US of A, so we're going to go with the maximum strength for both rifle platoons.

	~~Doing this~~, ~~your force consists of:~~		Optional units for the Armored Rifle Company are M1917 HMG platoons, 37mm AT gun platoons, T-30 75mm assault gun platoons and M4 81mm mortar platoons. For this formation we'll do an assault gun platoon for some added punch and the ability to use smoke bombardments. They're 1 point each and come in units of 2 or 3. To maximize on the firepower (and to make the math easier for this lazy bastard) we'll go with 3 of the fuckers.
	*HQ with 2 bazooka teams
	*3 x infantry platoon with 9 rifle teams, a platoon command rifle team, and ~~a bazooka team~~
	*A mortar ~~squad with 6 mortar teams, a~~ platoon ~~command team~~ and ~~an observer~~
	*A tank platoon of 5 Sherman tanks
	*An anti tank platoon of 3 ~~57mm anti tank guns~~ with ~~a platoon commander~~
	*An artillery platoon with 4 105mm gun teams with a staff team, platoon command team and observer team
	*Limited air support

	You have ~~7 platoons~~, 3 of ~~which~~ are ~~combat~~, 1 of ~~which~~ is a ~~weapons~~ platoon, ~~and~~ 3 ~~of which are divisional support platoons.~~		Not all of your units have to be in formations or from the support section - You can field compulsory combat units from a formation as support units. This is great because you can have, say, a powerful and expensive unit like Tigers or Commandos without a formation of them eating your points budget for breakfast. Tanks are good for mobility and bringing the big guns to the field, so we'll take a platoon of 5 M4 Shermans at 8 points for a subtotal of 40.

			Finally let's talk support units. For our list we'll go with a unit of 2 P-40 Warhawks for aerial support, 4 105mm howitzers for blowing shit up, 4 T28E1 AAA platoons for dealing with enemy planes and an M3 Stuart Observation Post to spot for your artillery when your other units can't. So our army is going to look a little something like this:

			Formations
			*Armored Rifle Company 35 points
			-Formation HQ 2 points
			-Full-strength armored rifle platoon x2 30 points total
			-75mm assault gun 3 points
			Support
			*Sherman armored platoon (5x tanks, formation support) 40 points
			*P-40 Warhawk Flight 6 points
			*105mm Field Artillery Battery x4 10 points
			*M3 Stuart Observation Post 1 point
			*T28E1 AAA platoon 6 points
			Command Cards
			*(Placeholder, my deck is on the way from Amazon) 3 points

			Grand total: 100 points

	==Organization==		==Organization==

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