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81.156.198.89: /* Save System */

2015-11-03T16:16:58Z

Save System

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	== Save System ==		== Save System ==

	Chris Save - you always get to ~~chooses~~ your Armour no matter what the rulebook says.		Chris Save - you always get to choose your Armour no matter what the rulebook says.

	The various saves in 40k are one of the areas that most need an overhaul in order to fit the fluff.		The various saves in 40k are one of the areas that most need an overhaul in order to fit the fluff.

81.156.198.89: /* Save System */

2015-11-03T16:16:02Z

Save System

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	== Save System ==		== Save System ==

			Chris Save - you always get to chooses your Armour no matter what the rulebook says.

	The various saves in 40k are one of the areas that most need an overhaul in order to fit the fluff.		The various saves in 40k are one of the areas that most need an overhaul in order to fit the fluff.

84.176.234.13 at 00:40, 12 July 2015

2015-07-12T00:40:45Z

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	{{cleanup}}		{{cleanup}}
	This page is an ongoing project designed for the tweaking of existing [[Warhammer 40,000]] rules to better represent fluff sources. To make it work with current rules, equipment and points costs of most units will also need to be updated-this will follow the rules.		This page is an ongoing project designed for the tweaking of existing [[Warhammer 40,000]] rules to better represent fluff sources. To make it work with current rules, equipment and points costs of most units will also need to be updated-this will follow the rules.

	== Save System ==		== Save System ==
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	In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.		In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.

	*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose this rule compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer), Beasts, and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry, jet bikes and jump monstrous creatures.		*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose this rule compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer), Beasts, and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry, jet bikes and jump monstrous creatures. (shouldnt Bikes as technical Stuff have a fixed value based on its motor etc.? )
	*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.		*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.
	*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)		*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)

67.219.231.253: /* Shooting */

2015-02-24T09:27:45Z

Shooting

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	== Shooting ==		== Shooting ==

	The guns of 40k are very much black-and-white affairs, as it stands right now. Barring salvo weapons, they lack any form of fire mode. They also have retardedly short ranges and hitting a target 48" away is the same difficulty as hitting a target 1" away. These are stark issues if you are expecting your Eldar warriors' superior marksmanship and weaponry to match a horde of conscripts with flashlights as they would in the fluff, for example.		The guns of 40k are very much black-and-white affairs, as it stands right now. Barring salvo weapons, and ''maybe'' rapid fire they lack any form of fire mode. They also have retardedly short ranges and hitting a target 48" away is the same difficulty as hitting a target 1" away. These are stark issues if you are expecting your Eldar warriors' superior marksmanship and weaponry to match a horde of conscripts with flashlights as they would in the fluff, for example.

	*Running allows you to make a second move (exactly the same as in the movement phase), where one cannot turn mid move (i.e. no cornering) and which makes difficult terrain count as dangerous.		*Running allows you to make a second move (exactly the same as in the movement phase), where one cannot turn mid move (i.e. no cornering) and which makes difficult terrain count as dangerous.

70.53.229.254 at 03:23, 7 December 2013

2013-12-07T03:23:09Z

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	*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)		*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)
	*Flying Monstrous Creature movement doesn't change: 12-24" while swooping, Jump Monstrous Creature otherwise. Vector striking gains Pen value in the same way CC attacks do.		*Flying Monstrous Creature movement doesn't change: 12-24" while swooping, Jump Monstrous Creature otherwise. Vector striking gains Pen value in the same way CC attacks do.

			== Unit Types ==

			*Infantry, special types:
			**Jump Infantry: May use the jump pack in up to two phases, must be consecutive (unless you opt to skip the shooting phase). Hammer of wrath, Hit and Run, skyborne special rules all apply. May assault units they cannot see.
			**Jet pack Infantry: May use the jet pack in every phase, with each use counting as a regular Jet Pack move à la movement phase (any direction, 3x Initiative in inches). Gains the skyborne rule.
			**Monstrous creatures: Relentless, Fire two weapons a turn, In close combat, gain Pen value equal to Strength (rather than half the strength value), may make Sweep attacks (replacing smash), Move through Cover. Jump and Jet pack MCs use the additional rules for the infantry equivalents, along with those rules ordinary MCs benefit from.
			***Sweep: May exchange regular attacks for sweep attacks (3 regular attacks for 1 sweep) wherein all models in base contact with the Monstrous creature are hit automatically, once. Sweep attacks may not be made in duels.
			**Artillery: As now
			**Cavalry: Move through cover, hammer of wrath, furious charge.
			**Beasts: Move through cover, momentum, stubborn
			**Bikes: Move through cover, furious charge, when moving 3-4x initiative in the movement phase, may not turn. Otherwise, as now.
			**Jetbikes: Bikes with skyborne
			*Vehicles: Changes
			**Will have a Movement stat in their profiles (except walkers)
			**Vehicle Flat out works the same as the new run rules
			**New damage table: Roll a d6, add/subtract modifiers and consult table
			***1-Weapon Damaged: weapons snap fire next turn
			***2-Weapon Destroyed: Remove random weapon and one hull point
			***3-Drive Damaged: May only move 1/3 of Movement value next turn
			***4-Drive Destroyed (immobilized): May not move for the rest of the game. Remove one hull point.
			***5-Crew Compartment Compromised: Apply damage results 1 and 3 for the rest of the game. Remove one hull point.
			***6-Crew Compartment Destroyed: Vehicle is wrecked
			***7-Detonation: Units within 3" take a S3 Pen 3 hit, S4 for units embarked on the vehicle (unless open topped).
			***8-Major Detonation: Units with 3+d6" take a single S3 Pen 3 hit, units with 3" instead take a S4 Pen 3 hit. Units inside take a S5 Pen 4 hit. Remove the vehicle from the table.
			***Modifiers:
			**** +1 per point of armour pen rolled above the target's armour after the first point by which it beats the armour (i.e. roll a 6 on a strength 8 weapon to pen a rhino, +2) to a maximum of +2,
			**** +1 for Pen value of 6-9, +2 for Pen value 10,
			**** -1 for each point of pen below 4, to a minimum of 1.
			**** glances instead roll a D3 with only results 1, 3 and 5 being available (on a 1, 2 and 3 respectively).
			**Walkers can make sweep attacks, move like infantry and are other the same as they are now
			**Ram: Any vehicle may ram: To do so move at full speed towards the target with no turning, and models touched (friend or foe) are being rammed. A ram attack has a strength equal to the vehicle's armour rating (VA-vehicle armour) minus 6 (minus 4 for tanks) and Pen equal to the distance the vehicle moved in inches/3. Any infantry model affected by ram may attempt a Death or Glory (resolve as they are now) OR an evasion save and if the vehicle is not stopped/dodged, they take the hit. If they survive, move them out of the path of the vehicle and continue it's movement until it reaches it's maximum move distance. When ramming another vehicle, it must be destroyed for the ramming vehicle to be able to continue it's move. Flyers may not ram.

70.53.229.254: /* Close Combat */

2013-12-07T01:07:27Z

Close Combat

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	**Higher weapon skill hits on 3+, Lower one on 5+		**Higher weapon skill hits on 3+, Lower one on 5+
	**A model with more than double the weapon skill on the target hits on a 2+		**A model with more than double the weapon skill on the target hits on a 2+
	*If a unit kills all models in base contact before the enemy is able to strike any blows, then they ~~count as having charged~~ in the next round of combat as well (as they use the space they've opened up to charge ~~against~~)		*If a unit kills all models in base contact before the enemy is able to strike any blows, then they gain charge bonuses in the next round of combat as well (as they use the space they've opened up to charge again)i.e. +1 A, rage/furious charge/hammer of wrath etc.
	*A unit performing a sweeping advance uses its majority initiative; a unit receiving a sweep advance uses its lowest initiative		*A unit performing a sweeping advance uses its majority initiative; a unit receiving a sweep advance uses its lowest initiative
	*Any model may add half its strength (not including any bonuses conferred by any CCW) rounding down in Pen to its close combat attacks (i.e. a standard attack from a marine would be Pen 2, a standard attack from a guardsman would be Pen 1, Pen 3 rifleman dreads etc.)		*Any model may add half its strength (not including any bonuses conferred by any CCW) rounding down in Pen to its close combat attacks (i.e. a standard attack from a marine would be Pen 2, a standard attack from a guardsman would be Pen 1, Pen 3 rifleman dreads etc.)

70.53.229.254: /* Movement */

2013-11-26T21:14:21Z

Movement

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	In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.		In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.

	*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose this rule compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer) and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry and jump monstrous creatures.		*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose this rule compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer), Beasts, and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry, jet bikes and jump monstrous creatures.
	*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.		*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.
	*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)		*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)
	*Dangerous Terrain: As now, except it will have a rating: if you fail your dangerous check, you take a hit with a strength value equal to the Dangerous Terrain Rating, at Pen -		*Dangerous Terrain: As now, except it will have a rating: if you fail your dangerous check, you take a hit with a strength value equal to the Dangerous Terrain Rating, at Pen -
	*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)		*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)
			*Flying Monstrous Creature movement doesn't change: 12-24" while swooping, Jump Monstrous Creature otherwise. Vector striking gains Pen value in the same way CC attacks do.

1d4chan>Not LongPoster Again: "It's" = "it is", "its" = "belonging to 'it'"

2013-11-21T01:12:40Z

"It's" = "it is", "its" = "belonging to 'it'"

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	{{cleanup}}		{{cleanup}}
	This page is an ongoing project designed for the tweaking of existing Warhammer 40,000 rules to better represent fluff sources. To make it work with current rules, equipment and points costs of most units will also need to be updated-this will follow the rules.		This page is an ongoing project designed for the tweaking of existing [[Warhammer 40,000]] rules to better represent fluff sources. To make it work with current rules, equipment and points costs of most units will also need to be updated-this will follow the rules.

	== Save System ==		== Save System ==
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	*Most 40k weapons can calculate their Pen rating in the new version by flipping their AP (i.e. AP6 becomes Pen 1, AP2 becomes Pen 5)		*Most 40k weapons can calculate their Pen rating in the new version by flipping their AP (i.e. AP6 becomes Pen 1, AP2 becomes Pen 5)

	Most armour would need some changing of ~~it's~~ value, because the point is to better represent the fluff! Terminator armour would make sense at Armour 8 (meaning if they got hit by a melta gun (Pen 6), they would have a 5+ [almost like it makes sense!], whereas weaker weapons would grant them better saves (such as plasma granting a 5+, or a lasgun granting 2+/4+). Power armour at AV5 would allow for marines much closer to their fluff depiction, shrugging off lasguns but still not immune to them, while being inferior to terminator armour in a significant way. Most current 2+ saves would end up at around 6-7, with especially heavy suits (Calgar's named armour, Cataphractii Armour, Dreadknights/riptides etc.) could reach the upper limits, getting a 9 or a 10.		Most armour would need some changing of its value, because the point is to better represent the fluff! Terminator armour would make sense at Armour 8 (meaning if they got hit by a melta gun (Pen 6), they would have a 5+ [almost like it makes sense!], whereas weaker weapons would grant them better saves (such as plasma granting a 5+, or a lasgun granting 2+/4+). Power armour at AV5 would allow for marines much closer to their fluff depiction, shrugging off lasguns but still not immune to them, while being inferior to terminator armour in a significant way. Most current 2+ saves would end up at around 6-7, with especially heavy suits (Calgar's named armour, Cataphractii Armour, Dreadknights/riptides etc.) could reach the upper limits, getting a 9 or a 10.

	=== Cover Saves ===		=== Cover Saves ===
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	Examples:		Examples:
	Guardsman in Area terrain (standard): Visual Terrain 1		* Guardsman in Area terrain (standard): Visual Terrain 1
	Stealthsuit in Forest: Visual Terrain 2+1 (for shrouded/stealth)		* Stealthsuit in Forest: Visual Terrain 2+1 (for shrouded/stealth)
	Aegis Line: Protective terrain 3		* Aegis Line: Protective terrain 3
	~~etc~~.		* Etc.

	=== Invulnerable Saves ===		=== Invulnerable Saves ===
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	=== Evasion Saves ===		=== Evasion Saves ===

	Any model with an initiative score greater than ~~it's~~ AV can substitute ~~it's~~ initiative for ~~it's~~ armour against the first shot directed against each game turn, counting the value as an IV that does NOT stack with armour. This save is unaffected by cover.		Any model with an initiative score greater than its AV can substitute its initiative for its armour against the first shot directed against each game turn, counting the value as an IV that does NOT stack with armour. This save is unaffected by cover.

	== Close Combat ==		== Close Combat ==
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	**A model with more than double the weapon skill on the target hits on a 2+		**A model with more than double the weapon skill on the target hits on a 2+
	*If a unit kills all models in base contact before the enemy is able to strike any blows, then they count as having charged in the next round of combat as well (as they use the space they've opened up to charge against)		*If a unit kills all models in base contact before the enemy is able to strike any blows, then they count as having charged in the next round of combat as well (as they use the space they've opened up to charge against)
	*A unit performing a sweeping advance uses ~~it's~~ majority initiative; a unit receiving a sweep advance uses ~~it's~~ lowest initiative		*A unit performing a sweeping advance uses its majority initiative; a unit receiving a sweep advance uses its lowest initiative
	*Any model may add half ~~it's~~ strength (not including any bonuses conferred by any CCW) rounding down in AP to ~~it's~~ close combat attacks (i.e. a standard attack from a marine would be ~~AP2~~, a standard attack from a guardsman would be ~~AP1~~, ~~AP3~~ rifleman dreads etc.)		*Any model may add half its strength (not including any bonuses conferred by any CCW) rounding down in Pen to its close combat attacks (i.e. a standard attack from a marine would be Pen 2, a standard attack from a guardsman would be Pen 1, Pen 3 rifleman dreads etc.)
	*Each CCW adds an attack, pairs add two (still can't claim a third attack though-only so many hands!)		*Each CCW adds an attack, pairs add two (still can't claim a third attack though-only so many hands!)
	*Specialist weapons calculate extra attacks the same way they currently do		*Specialist weapons calculate extra attacks the same way they currently do
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	*Shooting at any target wholly within 6" of the firing model grants +1 to BS, except in the Spray firing mode.		*Shooting at any target wholly within 6" of the firing model grants +1 to BS, except in the Spray firing mode.
	*Any weapon may be fired at up to 6" past ~~it's~~ listed range, at a -2 BS penalty, to a minimum of BS 0		*Any weapon may be fired at up to 6" past its listed range, at a -2 BS penalty, to a minimum of BS 0
	*Firing at a unit with more than twenty models, or containing a monstrous creature/vehicle which did not move in ~~it's~~ previous movement phase grants a +1 BS bonus		*Firing at a unit with more than twenty models, or containing a monstrous creature/vehicle which did not move in its previous movement phase grants a +1 BS bonus
	*If a blast template hits a target and is entirely over it (i.e. 100% of the blast covers a single model) add +1 to ~~it's~~ strength when resolving the hit, up to S 10		*If a blast template hits a target and is entirely over it (i.e. 100% of the blast covers a single model) add +1 to its strength when resolving the hit, up to S 10

	This allows for range to be a larger factor in shoot-outs, without the guns magically doubling their firing rate when the enemy gets closer, and for massive size to have drawbacks. It also allows you to represent distant targets in visual cover being easier to hit by hosing down their cover than by trying to be precise. Best of all, it allows guns to be versatile and reflective of fluff.		This allows for range to be a larger factor in shoot-outs, without the guns magically doubling their firing rate when the enemy gets closer, and for massive size to have drawbacks. It also allows you to represent distant targets in visual cover being easier to hit by hosing down their cover than by trying to be precise. Best of all, it allows guns to be versatile and reflective of fluff.
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	In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.		In current 40k, space marines move as quickly as grots which move as quickly as genestealers. Adding "fleet" to certain units can't quite do away with this massive fluff disparity.

	*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose ~~the rules~~ compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer) and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry and jump monstrous creatures.		*Movement speed is equal to 2x Initiative (in inches) for Infantry, 3x Initiative for jet pack/jump infantry, units with fleet (many units will need to lose this rule compared to current 40k; it'll be rarer) and monstrous creatures and 4x Initiative for bikes, cavalry and jump monstrous creatures.
	*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.		*NEW SPECIAL RULE: Momentum: Fleet (movement phase only) and Furious Charge.
	*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)		*Difficult terrain: Move down one move rate while crossing difficult terrain (i.e. a model moving at 3xI moves at 2xI, a model moving at 2xI moves at 1xI etc.)
	*Dangerous Terrain: As now, except it will have a rating: if you fail your dangerous check, you take a hit with a strength value equal to the Dangerous Terrain Rating, at Pen -		*Dangerous Terrain: As now, except it will have a rating: if you fail your dangerous check, you take a hit with a strength value equal to the Dangerous Terrain Rating, at Pen -
	*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)		*Models may always move at least 3" in the movement phase (i.e. an initiative 2 model in difficult terrain will still be able to move up or down a level in ruins)