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	In addition, many of their older models (read: all the ones you want) are no longer available and command even ''higher'' premium prices, and all special models (read: all of them) require an attendant overpriced supplement containing rules that tell you how the hell to actually use it, since just including these as a printable PDF on the site would remove a valuable opportunity to steal your moneys. These are called [[Imperial Armour]] Volumes, and are handily abbreviated by [[Neckbeard\|everyone here]] as '''IA''' (and then a Volume Number). People who claim they have these either do not actually have these and instead have [[Heresy\|.pdf copies]] '''/''' only have one or two (generally out of date) and treat them like Gutenberg Bibles '''/''' have like 4+ and are [[Flash Gitz\|way too rich for their own good]].		In addition, many of their older models (read: all the ones you want) are no longer available and command even ''higher'' premium prices, and all special models (read: all of them) require an attendant overpriced supplement containing rules that tell you how the hell to actually use it, since just including these as a printable PDF on the site would remove a valuable opportunity to steal your moneys. These are called [[Imperial Armour]] Volumes, and are handily abbreviated by [[Neckbeard\|everyone here]] as '''IA''' (and then a Volume Number). People who claim they have these either do not actually have these and instead have [[Heresy\|.pdf copies]] '''/''' only have one or two (generally out of date) and treat them like Gutenberg Bibles '''/''' have like 4+ and are [[Flash Gitz\|way too rich for their own good]].

	Also responsible for the [[Forgeworld Reserve Phenomenon]].		Also responsible for the [[Forgeworld Reserve Phenomenon]].

	As of April 1st, 2016 (and no, it doesn't appear to be an April Fools joke), Forge World has apparently jumped onto GW's "Last Chance to Buy" bandwagon and has decided to do some housecleaning on their product range. Thankfully, it's mostly obscure bits that likely hardly anyone ever bought or used, but notable losses include the Ork Kill Krusha Tank, Macharius Omega, and almost the [[Rage\|''entire'' MKIV Dreadnought line, ''both'' Chaos and Loyalist]]. Many other models have gotten the axe since, notably all the Elysian line, mark 2, 3, and 4 space marine armor, etc. Combined with the retarded markup they now give to buyers outside the UK and the Adeptus Titanicus <strike>fiasco</strike> [[Adeptus Titanicus\| glorious]] [[Adeptus Titanicus/Tactics\| rebirth]], Forge World is <strike>now seemingly becoming the hated company Games Workshop once was, while the main branch keeps rolling out PR successes.</strike> showing the true colors of Games Workshop as a whole once more - with their "faster shipping" fiasco proving that the entirety of their social media is merely a publicity stunt (like most corporations). It's worth nothing that FW represents GW as a whole - they are run by the same people on the highest levels.		As of April 1st, 2016 (and no, it doesn't appear to be an April Fools joke), Forge World has apparently jumped onto GW's "Last Chance to Buy" bandwagon and has decided to do some housecleaning on their product range. Thankfully, it's mostly obscure bits that likely hardly anyone ever bought or used, but notable losses include the Ork Kill Krusha Tank, Macharius Omega, and almost the [[Rage\|''entire'' MKIV Dreadnought line, ''both'' Chaos and Loyalist]]. Many other models have gotten the axe since, notably all the Elysian line, mark 2, 3, and 4 space marine armor, etc. Combined with the retarded markup they now give to buyers outside the UK and the Adeptus Titanicus <strike>fiasco</strike> [[Adeptus Titanicus\| glorious]] [[Adeptus Titanicus/Tactics\| rebirth]], Forge World is <strike>now seemingly becoming the hated company Games Workshop once was, while the main branch keeps rolling out PR successes.</strike> showing the true colors of Games Workshop as a whole once more - with their "faster shipping" fiasco proving that the entirety of their social media is merely a publicity stunt (like most corporations). It's worth nothing that FW represents GW as a whole - they are run by the same people on the highest levels.
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	* [[Dreadnought]]s (they actually sell autocannons!!!)		* [[Dreadnought]]s (they actually sell autocannons!!!)
	** Now really only true for Contemptor/Leviathan/Deredeo Dreads, since they axed most of their Mk IV/V Dread stuff, including FW-exclusive variants like [[Chaplain]] and [[Noise Marines\|Sonic]] Dreadnoughts.		** Now really only true for Contemptor/Leviathan/Deredeo Dreads, since they axed most of their Mk IV/V Dread stuff, including FW-exclusive variants like [[Chaplain]] and [[Noise Marines\|Sonic]] Dreadnoughts.
	* The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] (enough so that many of their units aren't as overpriced, though still not for the stingy).		* The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] (enough so that many of their units aren't as overpriced, though still not for the stingy).
	* Adding an extra "0" to the end of reasonable prices		* Adding an extra "0" to the end of reasonable prices
	* The word "siege" attached to everything		* The word "siege" attached to everything
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	* '''Your Money'''		* '''Your Money'''

	[[File:Forge-world-last-chance-to-buy-banner.png\|thumb\|Remember that expensive-ass model you salivated over as a kid? You had better buy it <s>now</s> ''a week ago'', because it's already sold out by the time you see this image.]]		[[File:Forge-world-last-chance-to-buy-banner.png\|thumb\|Remember that expensive-ass model you salivated over as a kid? You had better buy it <s>now</s> ''a week ago'', because it's already sold out by the time you see this image.]]

	=== Things Forge World Hates ===		=== Things Forge World Hates ===
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	\|'''Kaurava I'''		\|'''Kaurava I'''
	\|A Forge World (continent-spanning Manufactorum, to be precise) which is capable of producing [[Vance Motherfucking Stubbs\|over 100 Baneblades]] at any given notice. The status of this world is unclear, although it was likely abandoned or destroyed during the Kaurava conflict of [[Dawn of War\|Dawn of war: Soulstorm]]. (Dawn of War III confirms that Gorgutz won the Kaurava Conflict)		\|A Forge World (continent-spanning Manufactorum, to be precise) which is capable of producing [[Vance Motherfucking Stubbs\|over 100 Baneblades]] at any given notice. The status of this world is unclear, although it was likely abandoned or destroyed during the Kaurava conflict of [[Dawn of War\|Dawn of war: Soulstorm]]. (Dawn of War III confirms that Gorgutz won the Kaurava Conflict.)
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	\|'''The Lathes'''		\|'''The Lathes'''

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Company */

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Company

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	As of April 1st, 2016 (and no, it doesn't appear to be an April Fools joke), Forge World has apparently jumped onto GW's "Last Chance to Buy" bandwagon and has decided to do some housecleaning on their product range. Thankfully, it's mostly obscure bits that likely hardly anyone ever bought or used, but notable losses include the Ork Kill Krusha Tank, Macharius Omega, and almost the [[Rage\|''entire'' MKIV Dreadnought line, ''both'' Chaos and Loyalist]]. Many other models have gotten the axe since, notably all the Elysian line, mark 2, 3, and 4 space marine armor, etc. Combined with the retarded markup they now give to buyers outside the UK and the Adeptus Titanicus <strike>fiasco</strike> [[Adeptus Titanicus\| glorious]] [[Adeptus Titanicus/Tactics\| rebirth]], Forge World is <strike>now seemingly becoming the hated company Games Workshop once was, while the main branch keeps rolling out PR successes.</strike> showing the true colors of Games Workshop as a whole once more - with their "faster shipping" fiasco proving that the entirety of their social media is merely a publicity stunt (like most corporations). It's worth nothing that FW represents GW as a whole - they are run by the same people on the highest levels.		As of April 1st, 2016 (and no, it doesn't appear to be an April Fools joke), Forge World has apparently jumped onto GW's "Last Chance to Buy" bandwagon and has decided to do some housecleaning on their product range. Thankfully, it's mostly obscure bits that likely hardly anyone ever bought or used, but notable losses include the Ork Kill Krusha Tank, Macharius Omega, and almost the [[Rage\|''entire'' MKIV Dreadnought line, ''both'' Chaos and Loyalist]]. Many other models have gotten the axe since, notably all the Elysian line, mark 2, 3, and 4 space marine armor, etc. Combined with the retarded markup they now give to buyers outside the UK and the Adeptus Titanicus <strike>fiasco</strike> [[Adeptus Titanicus\| glorious]] [[Adeptus Titanicus/Tactics\| rebirth]], Forge World is <strike>now seemingly becoming the hated company Games Workshop once was, while the main branch keeps rolling out PR successes.</strike> showing the true colors of Games Workshop as a whole once more - with their "faster shipping" fiasco proving that the entirety of their social media is merely a publicity stunt (like most corporations). It's worth nothing that FW represents GW as a whole - they are run by the same people on the highest levels.

	As of 2022, their relevance has seen a decline. With the Horus Heresy, one of their most popular lines, getting a full-fledged reboot and its models being transferred over to the main studio, FW has been relegated to dealing with only the niche games, such as the LotR game and Blood Bowl...which ~~GamesWorkshop~~ ''also'' has stuff for on their main site. Even then, it's not very clear if they're the ones writing the rules to the games or if they're just making models. Their main claim to relevance with the 40K crowd right now seems to be keeping Death Korps of Krieg players content.		As of 2022, their relevance has seen a decline. With the Horus Heresy, one of their most popular lines, getting a full-fledged reboot and its models being transferred over to the main studio, FW has been relegated to dealing with only the niche games, such as the LotR game and Blood Bowl...which Games Workshop ''also'' has stuff for on their main site. Even then, it's not very clear if they're the ones writing the rules to the games or if they're just making models. Their main claim to relevance with the 40K crowd right now seems to be keeping those few Death Korps of Krieg players that wanted Death Riders content.

			...then that fell by the wayside, as 2023 and 10th Edition saw a good number of their 40K stock enter the Last Chance to Buy block, including those sweet Exalted Greater Daemons, special characters, and even some of their special dreadnoughts. At this point, it's looking more like they're just being relegated to making titans and little else as more of their rules become either integrated into the main studio's lines or dumped into a Legends index.

	'''In conclusion:''' "Five hundred quid for a fucking titan? [[Rage\|If I ever find the fucker responsible I'm going to beat them to death with their own]] [[HHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhnnnnnnngggggg-]]".		'''In conclusion:''' "Five hundred quid for a fucking titan? [[Rage\|If I ever find the fucker responsible I'm going to beat them to death with their own]] [[HHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhnnnnnnngggggg-]]".

1d4chan>FlintTD: /* Things Forge World Loves */

2023-05-18T23:58:07Z

Things Forge World Loves

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	* Have we said your money?		* Have we said your money?
	* [[Daemon Engines]]		* [[Daemon Engines]]
	* '''[[Red Scorpions]]'''		* '''The [[Red Scorpions]]'''
	* [[Terminator]]s, all the Terminators (except for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator robots originating from a certain movie], even though Games Workshop lifted from that movie to make [[Necrons\|a race of robots for their setting]])		* [[Terminator]]s, all the Terminators (except for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terminator robots originating from a certain movie], even though Games Workshop lifted from that movie to make [[Necrons\|a race of robots for their setting]])
	* [[Titan (Warhammer 40,000)\|Titan]]s and the price to go with them		* [[Titan (Warhammer 40,000)\|Titan]]s and the price to go with them
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	* [[Dreadnought]]s (they actually sell autocannons!!!)		* [[Dreadnought]]s (they actually sell autocannons!!!)
	** Now really only true for Contemptor/Leviathan/Deredeo Dreads, since they axed most of their Mk IV/V Dread stuff, including FW-exclusive variants like [[Chaplain]] and [[Noise Marines\|Sonic]] Dreadnoughts.		** Now really only true for Contemptor/Leviathan/Deredeo Dreads, since they axed most of their Mk IV/V Dread stuff, including FW-exclusive variants like [[Chaplain]] and [[Noise Marines\|Sonic]] Dreadnoughts.
	* [[Death Korps of Krieg]] (enough so that many of their units aren't as overpriced, though still not for the stingy).		* The [[Death Korps of Krieg]] (enough so that many of their units aren't as overpriced, though still not for the stingy).
	* Adding an extra "0" to the end of reasonable prices		* Adding an extra "0" to the end of reasonable prices
	* The word "siege" attached to everything		* The word "siege" attached to everything
			* The [[Charcharodons]]
	* Turrets & Immobile scenery		* Turrets & Immobile scenery
			* Selling towing vehicles to move that immobile scenery around
	* <strike>Units that are broken to play against</strike> not anymore, GW realised they lost money because of that		* <strike>Units that are broken to play against</strike> not anymore, GW realised they lost money because of that
			* The [[Minotaurs]]
	* Your ''Opponent's'' money		* Your ''Opponent's'' money
	* Selling towing vehicles to move that immobile scenery around
	* Bringing civilian vehicles to battle. Seriously, a Sentinel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)\| Power-lifter]?		* Bringing civilian vehicles to battle. Seriously, a Sentinel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(franchise)\| Power-lifter]?
	* Introducing Salvo Weapons on units that will never use the rules for salvo weapons properly, or making them so bad that no-one ever takes them.		* Introducing Salvo Weapons on units that will never use the rules for salvo weapons properly, or making them so bad that no-one ever takes them.
	* Papa [[Nurgle]]		* Papa [[Nurgle]]
	* The [[Orks]], when [[Games Workshop\|GW]] won't love them because they aren't serious enough		* The [[Orks]], when [[Games Workshop\|GW]] won't love them because they aren't serious enough (though 2023 FW doesn't love the Orks nearly as much as 2013 FW did)
	* [[Total War: WARHAMMER]] (Especially the Norsca DLC, which whilst [[Awesome]], was basically a playable Forge World advertisement! Until they stopped selling most of those things. But hey, they still sell the Mourngul and boob troll.)		* [[Total War: WARHAMMER]] (Especially the Norsca DLC, which whilst [[Awesome]], was basically a playable Forge World advertisement! (Until they stopped selling most of those things. But hey, they still sell the Mourngul and boob troll.))
	* Discontinuing items more-or-less at random. Including ones you might actually need for making viable Horus Heresy armies.		* Discontinuing items more-or-less at random. Including ones you might actually need for making viable Horus Heresy armies.
	* '''Your Money'''		* '''Your Money'''

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Company

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	* The [[Orks]], when [[Games Workshop\|GW]] won't love them because they aren't serious enough		* The [[Orks]], when [[Games Workshop\|GW]] won't love them because they aren't serious enough
	* [[Total War: WARHAMMER]] (Especially the Norsca DLC, which whilst [[Awesome]], was basically a playable Forge World advertisement! Until they stopped selling most of those things. But hey, they still sell the Mourngul and boob troll.)		* [[Total War: WARHAMMER]] (Especially the Norsca DLC, which whilst [[Awesome]], was basically a playable Forge World advertisement! Until they stopped selling most of those things. But hey, they still sell the Mourngul and boob troll.)
	* ~~[https://i.imgur.com/BgYmszI.png~~ Discontinuing items more-or-less at random~~], apparently~~. Including ones you might actually need for making viable Horus Heresy armies.		* Discontinuing items more-or-less at random. Including ones you might actually need for making viable Horus Heresy armies.
	* '''Your Money'''		* '''Your Money'''

			[[File:Forge-world-last-chance-to-buy-banner.png\|thumb\|Remember that expensive-ass model you salivated over as a kid? You had better buy it <s>now</s> ''a week ago'', because it's already sold out by the time you see this image.]]

	=== Things Forge World Hates ===		=== Things Forge World Hates ===

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2023-05-06T15:17:54Z

An Alternative Point on the Price (which is your soul, by the way)

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	A case in point of what happens when that little status quo is disrupted, with the release of affordable plastic Contemptor dreadnoughts and Cataphractii terminators, and with Angels of Death giving us non-Forge World rules for them, you can bet that everyone and their [[squig]] is gonna have the damn things now, even with the rather dumbed-down rules compared to Imperial Armour.		A case in point of what happens when that little status quo is disrupted, with the release of affordable plastic Contemptor dreadnoughts and Cataphractii terminators, and with Angels of Death giving us non-Forge World rules for them, you can bet that everyone and their [[squig]] is gonna have the damn things now, even with the rather dumbed-down rules compared to Imperial Armour.

			There is also the point to be made that FW intended audience never was your average 40k player or casual fans of the setting, but the hardcore hobbyists who have been in the hobby for years, if not decades and accumulated a vast amount of knowledge about how to even handle this stuff correctly. Indeed, most FW models are extremely difficult to put together, not helped by the fickle material they are made from. This automatically pushed them into a niche audience, which was FWs entire business model; giving die-hard fans the possibility to see and own pieces of the most obscure lore from head honchos of GW. As such, production runs of FW models likely never were produced at scale or had substantial amounts of stock, which is important in price calculations, as mass produced goods can be made with bigger machines which put out more stuff at less of a cost in time and money, which in turn, makes the finished product cheaper. In essence, your Tau Manta costs an arm and a leg precisely because your Manta is very likely to be a custom piece just made for you and this costs an extra premium on top of the massive costs for material, labour and taxes.

	=== Common Misconceptions ===		=== Common Misconceptions ===

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Notable Writers

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	=== Notable Writers ===		=== Notable Writers ===

	*[[Alan Bligh]], who unfortunately died of cancer on May 26, 2017, and who was responsible for the creation of many rules concepts eventually used in the Forge World rulebooks. [http://www.john-french.com/2017/05/alan-bligh-remembered.html Read an obituary written by fellow GW writer John French here.]		*[[Alan Bligh]], who unfortunately died of [[cancer]] on May 26, 2017, and who was responsible for the creation of many rules concepts eventually used in the Forge World rulebooks. [http://www.john-french.com/2017/05/alan-bligh-remembered.html Read an obituary written by fellow GW writer John French here.]
	*[[John French]]		*[[John French]]
	*[[Andy Hoare]]		*[[Andy Hoare]]

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Common Misconceptions

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	However, as with White Dwarf, GW hates you far too much as a gamer and customer to label any of their rulebooks/codices with edition numbers, much less ensure that their FW rules are always kept up to date with the current edition, and unlike Codices where you can typically determine the edition at a glance, a lot of Forge World books superficially "look" similar and may even have exactly the same name ''(to date there have been FOUR books with the title "Imperial Armour Apocalypse" but only two of them have sub-titles)''. This can be a major reason the rules are banned at tournaments, and an opponent might object for the same reason they might object to fighting a [[Squat]]s army under the current rules - however "obvious" the rules translation might be, some people are uncomfortable playing games across too wide an edition gap, as rules interactions may make no sense at all and/or have utterly pathological balance ramifications. '''Update''' this has become pretty much irrelevant with the release of 8th edition where Forge World have released complete indexes for pretty much their entire line.		However, as with White Dwarf, GW hates you far too much as a gamer and customer to label any of their rulebooks/codices with edition numbers, much less ensure that their FW rules are always kept up to date with the current edition, and unlike Codices where you can typically determine the edition at a glance, a lot of Forge World books superficially "look" similar and may even have exactly the same name ''(to date there have been FOUR books with the title "Imperial Armour Apocalypse" but only two of them have sub-titles)''. This can be a major reason the rules are banned at tournaments, and an opponent might object for the same reason they might object to fighting a [[Squat]]s army under the current rules - however "obvious" the rules translation might be, some people are uncomfortable playing games across too wide an edition gap, as rules interactions may make no sense at all and/or have utterly pathological balance ramifications. '''Update''' this has become pretty much irrelevant with the release of 8th edition where Forge World have released complete indexes for pretty much their entire line.

	We all know how [[ChapterHouse Studios\|litigious]] GW can get with regards to "unofficial" products using their copyright, so you can bet if it wasn't official/legal Forge World would have had their asses handed to them, but it would seem absolutely stupid to sue the guys in the next office over in the same building as you.		We all know how [[ChapterHouse Studios\|litigious]] GW can get with regards to "unofficial" products using their copyright, so you can bet if it wasn't official/legal Forge World would have had their asses handed to them, but it would seem absolutely stupid to sue the guys in the next office over in the same building as you. Seriously, there isn't even a divider between the FW and main parts of the store at Warhammer World anymore...

	So next time you get to the table and your opponent starts whining about your Forge World models not being legal, just batter him over the head with your Imperial Armour book, which will be an order of magnitude heavier than his little codex and claim your victory by default.		So next time you get to the table and your opponent starts whining about your Forge World models not being legal, just batter him over the head with your Imperial Armour book, which will be an order of magnitude heavier than his little codex and claim your victory by default.