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The Organs

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	# The '''Betcher's Gland''' gives them acid spit, which is probably the only bonus for going to combat [[Helmet#Helmets_and_Faces\|without a helmet]]. The acid within varies depending on the source, from simply reacting only to organic tissue to fully dissolving ceramite. Some Chapters, such as the [[Blood Angels]] and the [[Iron Snakes]], consider using the Betcher's Gland in combat to be [[Derp\|dishonourable]]. Technically, the acid spit is just a fringe benefit of the gland’s true purpose—allowing marines to chew through everything from tough xenos carcasses to prison bars. In any event, Space Marines on the table-top do not have access to acidic spit, unlike e.g. Tyranids. (Or maybe they do; space marine ancients get a lot of attacks for someone with their hands full.)		# The '''Betcher's Gland''' gives them acid spit, which is probably the only bonus for going to combat [[Helmet#Helmets_and_Faces\|without a helmet]]. The acid within varies depending on the source, from simply reacting only to organic tissue to fully dissolving ceramite. Some Chapters, such as the [[Blood Angels]] and the [[Iron Snakes]], consider using the Betcher's Gland in combat to be [[Derp\|dishonourable]]. Technically, the acid spit is just a fringe benefit of the gland’s true purpose—allowing marines to chew through everything from tough xenos carcasses to prison bars. In any event, Space Marines on the table-top do not have access to acidic spit, unlike e.g. Tyranids. (Or maybe they do; space marine ancients get a lot of attacks for someone with their hands full.)
	# The '''Progenoids''' provide no benefit to the Space Marine, but are universally considered the most important organs, as they are the keys to making more of the organs above. Each Space Marine starts with two, one in the neck and one in the chest, and they are removed after their death. The neck-based progenoid is ready for harvesting five years after implantation, while the chest-based progenoid is ready after ten. Each harvested progenoid is a bunch of DNA and chemical stuff, that, when implanted in a suitable environment, grows into more organs. Chapters that took severe losses and could not reclaim the gene-seed of their brothers basically take random people with an affinity to the Astartes gene-seed (or vat-grown bodies similar to the ones they use for Servitors), implant them with all space marine organs, wait ten years, and then harvest the gene-seed, with survival of the host not guaranteed. Sometimes, the term "gene-seed" is taken to refer to these glands specifically. When not pressed, Chapters often allow the living gene-seed inside marines to "stew", as it's rumoured to also absorb genetic information and even memory, potentially allowing future generations to inherit the strengh and skill of fallen heroes.		# The '''Progenoids''' provide no benefit to the Space Marine, but are universally considered the most important organs, as they are the keys to making more of the organs above. Each Space Marine starts with two, one in the neck and one in the chest, and they are removed after their death. The neck-based progenoid is ready for harvesting five years after implantation, while the chest-based progenoid is ready after ten. Each harvested progenoid is a bunch of DNA and chemical stuff, that, when implanted in a suitable environment, grows into more organs. Chapters that took severe losses and could not reclaim the gene-seed of their brothers basically take random people with an affinity to the Astartes gene-seed (or vat-grown bodies similar to the ones they use for Servitors), implant them with all space marine organs, wait ten years, and then harvest the gene-seed, with survival of the host not guaranteed. Sometimes, the term "gene-seed" is taken to refer to these glands specifically. When not pressed, Chapters often allow the living gene-seed inside marines to "stew", as it's rumoured to also absorb genetic information and even memory, potentially allowing future generations to inherit the strengh and skill of fallen heroes.
	# The '''Black Carapace''' interfaces a Space Marine with his [[Power Armour\|armour]], making them effectively one being. It also serves as back-up armour, providing a level of protection similar to a flak jacket, in case a marine somehow ends up [[Adeptus Custodes\|running around naked]]. [[Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] don't have this yet, because of the [[Codex Astartes]], and it's noted as the only one of the original organs that ''has'' to be implanted whole rather than potentially grown inside the neophyte as a germ-seed (a la [[Blood Angels\|Insanguination]]). They don't get it (and thus an expensive suit of power armor) until they've spent a decade or more in a Scout Company. Tyranids nicked this for their tyrant guard, which makes you think how did the foot-slogging hive tyrants survive anything beforehand. As clearly established by how humans perform in Power Armor, this organ does nothing on the table-top; Sisters of Battle, for example, get just as much (or more - they can lift a lascannon by themselves, unlike humans in mere carapace armour) benefit from Power Armor as Space Marines do. The Deathwatch RPG explained it as allowing a ~~“Size (Huge)”~~ Space Marine in Power Armor to not ~~suffer any movement penalties—which~~ does seem impressive if you’ve ever seen someone in craft foam Astartes armor trying to hobble around.		# The '''Black Carapace''' interfaces a Space Marine with his [[Power Armour\|armour]], making them effectively one being. It also serves as back-up armour, providing a level of protection similar to a flak jacket, in case a marine somehow ends up [[Adeptus Custodes\|running around naked]]. [[Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] don't have this yet, because of the [[Codex Astartes]], and it's noted as the only one of the original organs that ''has'' to be implanted whole rather than potentially grown inside the neophyte as a germ-seed (a la [[Blood Angels\|Insanguination]]). They don't get it (and thus an expensive suit of power armor) until they've spent a decade or more in a Scout Company. Tyranids nicked this for their tyrant guard, which makes you think how did the foot-slogging hive tyrants survive anything beforehand. As clearly established by how humans perform in Power Armor, this organ does nothing on the table-top; Sisters of Battle, for example, get just as much (or more - they can lift a lascannon by themselves, unlike humans in mere carapace armour) benefit from Power Armor as Space Marines do. The Deathwatch RPG explained it as allowing a Space Marine in Power Armor to not be an easier target due to lumbering size (Hulking)—which does seem impressive if you’ve ever seen someone in craft foam Astartes armor trying to hobble around. It does nothing to help with the steath, however, unless you're Raven Guard.
	#The '''Canis Helix''' is not an organ, but considered nonetheless to be part of the gene-seed; it appears to be a genetic cocktail brewed by the Wolf Priests of the Space Wolves, and while it induces a level of mutation beyond that seen in any other chapter, Russ' gene-seed organs appear to have a 100% rejection rate in humans who do not first take the cocktail.		#The '''Canis Helix''' is not an organ, but considered nonetheless to be part of the gene-seed; it appears to be a genetic cocktail brewed by the Wolf Priests of the Space Wolves, and while it induces a level of mutation beyond that seen in any other chapter, Russ' gene-seed organs appear to have a 100% rejection rate in humans who do not first take the cocktail.

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	Not everyone is compatible with implantation (unless it's from the Blood Angels line); potential candidates are screened for tissue compatibility, and kept young, as being post-pubescent has a marked increase in the tissue rejection rate (and being actually ''elderly'' makes it even worse); even so, not all candidates survive the implantation process. The Great Crusade era had inductees from a variety of ages, possibly because there were more resources, candidates, and understanding of the tech to compensate for failure rates. Back then a one-in-two success after screening was considered pretty good. These days the screening is insanely brutal amongst Loyalist chapters, with most aspirants dying before being even considered for implantation, but the success rate is accordingly much higher. Youths are also still preferred post-Heresy as they are easier to mould and condition into loyal Marines than teens or young adults.		Not everyone is compatible with implantation (unless it's from the Blood Angels line); potential candidates are screened for tissue compatibility, and kept young, as being post-pubescent has a marked increase in the tissue rejection rate (and being actually ''elderly'' makes it even worse); even so, not all candidates survive the implantation process. The Great Crusade era had inductees from a variety of ages, possibly because there were more resources, candidates, and understanding of the tech to compensate for failure rates. Back then a one-in-two success after screening was considered pretty good. These days the screening is insanely brutal amongst Loyalist chapters, with most aspirants dying before being even considered for implantation, but the success rate is accordingly much higher. Youths are also still preferred post-Heresy as they are easier to mould and condition into loyal Marines than teens or young adults.

	One of the most obvious ~~limits~~ of ~~their~~ design is that the Emperor never ~~solved the problem of~~ making them compatible with female hosts (although some argue that this was deliberate as a way of ensuring that Space Marines could not breed true, nobody can be entirely sure)~~, so the very first screening step is usually by sex~~. Furthermore, not all organs can be implanted at once, as some prepare the body for others, and the body needs time to adapt to and accept the implants. The maximum speed process has been described in the fluff as taking around 6 years and assuming the soon-to-be Marine will be a Primaris is:		One of the most obvious and well-known features of the implants design is that the Emperor never bothered with making them compatible with female hosts (although some argue that this was deliberate as a way of ensuring that Space Marines could not breed true, nobody can be entirely sure). Furthermore, not all organs can be implanted at once, as some prepare the body for others, and the body needs time to adapt to and accept the implants. The maximum speed process has been described in the fluff as taking around 6 years and assuming the soon-to-be Marine will be a Primaris is:

	# If you are the Space Wolves, the Canis Helix.		# If you are the Space Wolves, the Canis Helix.

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	# The '''Mucranoid''' gives Space Marines super-sweat that protects them from heat and cold, and can even be hardened into a vacuum-proof shell. Remember that awesome scene where Guilliman boxes Word Bearers in space? Yep, he did it while covered in that thing.		# The '''Mucranoid''' gives Space Marines super-sweat that protects them from heat and cold, and can even be hardened into a vacuum-proof shell. Remember that awesome scene where Guilliman boxes Word Bearers in space? Yep, he did it while covered in that thing.
	# The '''Betcher's Gland''' gives them acid spit, which is probably the only bonus for going to combat [[Helmet#Helmets_and_Faces\|without a helmet]]. The acid within varies depending on the source, from simply reacting only to organic tissue to fully dissolving ceramite. Some Chapters, such as the [[Blood Angels]] and the [[Iron Snakes]], consider using the Betcher's Gland in combat to be [[Derp\|dishonourable]]. Technically, the acid spit is just a fringe benefit of the gland’s true purpose—allowing marines to chew through everything from tough xenos carcasses to prison bars. In any event, Space Marines on the table-top do not have access to acidic spit, unlike e.g. Tyranids. (Or maybe they do; space marine ancients get a lot of attacks for someone with their hands full.)		# The '''Betcher's Gland''' gives them acid spit, which is probably the only bonus for going to combat [[Helmet#Helmets_and_Faces\|without a helmet]]. The acid within varies depending on the source, from simply reacting only to organic tissue to fully dissolving ceramite. Some Chapters, such as the [[Blood Angels]] and the [[Iron Snakes]], consider using the Betcher's Gland in combat to be [[Derp\|dishonourable]]. Technically, the acid spit is just a fringe benefit of the gland’s true purpose—allowing marines to chew through everything from tough xenos carcasses to prison bars. In any event, Space Marines on the table-top do not have access to acidic spit, unlike e.g. Tyranids. (Or maybe they do; space marine ancients get a lot of attacks for someone with their hands full.)
	# The '''Progenoids''' provide no benefit to the Space Marine, but are universally considered the most important organs, as they are the keys to making more of the organs above. Each Space Marine starts with two, one in the neck and one in the chest, and they are removed after their death. The neck-based progenoid is ready for harvesting five years after implantation, while the chest-based progenoid is ready after ten. Each harvested progenoid is a bunch of DNA and chemical stuff, that, when implanted in a suitable environment, grows into more organs. Chapters that took severe losses and could not reclaim the gene-seed of their brothers basically take random people with an affinity to the Astartes gene-seed (or vat-grown bodies similar to the ones they use for Servitors), implant them with all space marine organs, wait ten years, and ~~slaughter them to~~ harvest the gene-seed. Sometimes, the term "gene-seed" is taken to refer to these glands specifically.		# The '''Progenoids''' provide no benefit to the Space Marine, but are universally considered the most important organs, as they are the keys to making more of the organs above. Each Space Marine starts with two, one in the neck and one in the chest, and they are removed after their death. The neck-based progenoid is ready for harvesting five years after implantation, while the chest-based progenoid is ready after ten. Each harvested progenoid is a bunch of DNA and chemical stuff, that, when implanted in a suitable environment, grows into more organs. Chapters that took severe losses and could not reclaim the gene-seed of their brothers basically take random people with an affinity to the Astartes gene-seed (or vat-grown bodies similar to the ones they use for Servitors), implant them with all space marine organs, wait ten years, and then harvest the gene-seed, with survival of the host not guaranteed. Sometimes, the term "gene-seed" is taken to refer to these glands specifically. When not pressed, Chapters often allow the living gene-seed inside marines to "stew", as it's rumoured to also absorb genetic information and even memory, potentially allowing future generations to inherit the strengh and skill of fallen heroes.
	# The '''Black Carapace''' interfaces a Space Marine with his [[Power Armour\|armour]], making them effectively one being. It also serves as back-up armour, providing a level of protection similar to a flak jacket, in case a marine somehow ends up [[Adeptus Custodes\|running around naked]]. [[Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] don't have this yet, because of the [[Codex Astartes]], and it's noted as the only one of the original organs that ''has'' to be implanted whole rather than potentially grown inside the neophyte as a germ-seed (a la [[Blood Angels\|Insanguination]]). They don't get it (and thus an expensive suit of power armor) until they've spent a decade or more in a Scout Company. Tyranids nicked this for their tyrant guard, which makes you think how did the foot-slogging hive tyrants survive anything beforehand. As clearly established by how humans perform in Power Armor, this organ does nothing on the table-top; Sisters of Battle, for example, get just as much (or more - they can lift a lascannon by themselves, unlike humans in mere carapace armour) benefit from Power Armor as Space Marines do. The Deathwatch RPG explained it as allowing a “Size (Huge)” Space Marine in Power Armor to not suffer any movement penalties—which does seem impressive if you’ve ever seen someone in craft foam Astartes armor trying to hobble around.		# The '''Black Carapace''' interfaces a Space Marine with his [[Power Armour\|armour]], making them effectively one being. It also serves as back-up armour, providing a level of protection similar to a flak jacket, in case a marine somehow ends up [[Adeptus Custodes\|running around naked]]. [[Scout\|Space Marine Scouts]] don't have this yet, because of the [[Codex Astartes]], and it's noted as the only one of the original organs that ''has'' to be implanted whole rather than potentially grown inside the neophyte as a germ-seed (a la [[Blood Angels\|Insanguination]]). They don't get it (and thus an expensive suit of power armor) until they've spent a decade or more in a Scout Company. Tyranids nicked this for their tyrant guard, which makes you think how did the foot-slogging hive tyrants survive anything beforehand. As clearly established by how humans perform in Power Armor, this organ does nothing on the table-top; Sisters of Battle, for example, get just as much (or more - they can lift a lascannon by themselves, unlike humans in mere carapace armour) benefit from Power Armor as Space Marines do. The Deathwatch RPG explained it as allowing a “Size (Huge)” Space Marine in Power Armor to not suffer any movement penalties—which does seem impressive if you’ve ever seen someone in craft foam Astartes armor trying to hobble around.
	#The '''Canis Helix''' is not an organ, but considered nonetheless to be part of the gene-seed; it appears to be a genetic cocktail brewed by the Wolf Priests of the Space Wolves, and while it induces a level of mutation beyond that seen in any other chapter, Russ' gene-seed organs appear to have a 100% rejection rate in humans who do not first take the cocktail.		#The '''Canis Helix''' is not an organ, but considered nonetheless to be part of the gene-seed; it appears to be a genetic cocktail brewed by the Wolf Priests of the Space Wolves, and while it induces a level of mutation beyond that seen in any other chapter, Russ' gene-seed organs appear to have a 100% rejection rate in humans who do not first take the cocktail.

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1d4chan>Gilten: /* Wolf Brothers */

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Wolf Brothers

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	===== Wolf Brothers =====		===== Wolf Brothers =====
			{{Main\|Wolf Brothers}}
	See Space Wolves above turned up to 11. As in the entire chapter devolved into werewolves.		See Space Wolves above turned up to 11. As in the entire chapter devolved into werewolves.

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Implantation

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	===Implantation===		===Implantation===
	Not everyone is compatible with implantation; potential candidates are screened for tissue compatibility, and kept young, as being post-pubescent has a marked increase in the tissue rejection rate (and being actually ''elderly'' makes it even worse); even so, not all candidates survive the implantation process. The Great Crusade era had inductees from a variety of ages, possibly because there were more resources, candidates, and understanding of the tech to compensate for failure rates. Back then a one-in-two success after screening was considered pretty good. These days the screening is insanely brutal amongst Loyalist chapters, with most aspirants dying before being even considered for implantation, but the success rate is accordingly much higher. Youths are also still preferred post-Heresy as they are easier to mould and condition into loyal Marines than teens or young adults.		Not everyone is compatible with implantation (unless it's from the Blood Angels line); potential candidates are screened for tissue compatibility, and kept young, as being post-pubescent has a marked increase in the tissue rejection rate (and being actually ''elderly'' makes it even worse); even so, not all candidates survive the implantation process. The Great Crusade era had inductees from a variety of ages, possibly because there were more resources, candidates, and understanding of the tech to compensate for failure rates. Back then a one-in-two success after screening was considered pretty good. These days the screening is insanely brutal amongst Loyalist chapters, with most aspirants dying before being even considered for implantation, but the success rate is accordingly much higher. Youths are also still preferred post-Heresy as they are easier to mould and condition into loyal Marines than teens or young adults.

	One of the most obvious limits of their design is that the Emperor never solved the problem of making them compatible with female hosts (although some argue that this was deliberate as a way of ensuring that Space Marines could not breed true, nobody can be entirely sure), so the very first screening step is usually by sex. Furthermore, not all organs can be implanted at once, as some prepare the body for others, and the body needs time to adapt to and accept the implants. The maximum speed process has been described in the fluff as taking around 6 years and assuming the soon-to-be Marine will be a Primaris is:		One of the most obvious limits of their design is that the Emperor never solved the problem of making them compatible with female hosts (although some argue that this was deliberate as a way of ensuring that Space Marines could not breed true, nobody can be entirely sure), so the very first screening step is usually by sex. Furthermore, not all organs can be implanted at once, as some prepare the body for others, and the body needs time to adapt to and accept the implants. The maximum speed process has been described in the fluff as taking around 6 years and assuming the soon-to-be Marine will be a Primaris is:

1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity.: /* Major Mutations */

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Major Mutations

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	* Tendency to do whatever they fancy.		* Tendency to do whatever they fancy.
	* Unrestrained love towards doing [[PROMOTIONS\|strange things]] to engines buffing their bikes and battleships to ride into battle while riding into battle.		* Unrestrained love towards doing [[PROMOTIONS\|strange things]] to engines buffing their bikes and battleships to ride into battle while riding into battle.
	* A defect called "Chogorian Savagery". Basically ~~its~~ diet Black Rage, born from when Mortarion almost killed their primarch during the Siege of Terra. This flaw appears in 2 stages:		* A defect called "Chogorian Savagery". Basically it's diet Black Rage, born from when Mortarion almost killed their primarch during the Siege of Terra. This flaw appears in 2 stages:
	** Stage 1 - A Moment Unrestrained: The Battle-Brother~~'s discipline begins to slip and falter, allowing~~ brief ~~moments of untamed ferocity to emerge in the heat of battle. Often~~, ~~the Battle-Brother will not even know that~~ he ~~is succumbing to this savagery, and it requires the presence~~ of his brothers to ~~warn him of his failure~~.		** Stage 1 - A Moment Unrestrained: The Battle-Brother starts [[RAGE\|flipping out mid-battle]] for brief periods, often without realising he's doing so until one of his brothers tells him to take a chill pill.
	** Stage 2 - Suppressed Rage: ~~Within the darkest reaches of the~~ Battle-Brother~~'s mind lurks the shadow~~ of ~~his rage and fury, seeking any opportunity to emerge, and causing the Battle-Brother to become belligerent~~ and quick to anger.		** Stage 2 - Suppressed Rage: The Battle-Brother becomes extremely prone to outbursts of temper and quick to anger.

	===== Mantis Warriors =====		===== Mantis Warriors =====
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	===== The Excoriators =====		===== The Excoriators =====
	* A mutation with some similarities to the Blood Angel's Black Rage, known as "Dorn's Darkness.". ~~The~~ affected ~~appear, to the untrained eye, as merely~~ a ~~wretched palsy: a slackness of the jaw, a tremor of the limb, a blankness of the eye. However, reports from the affected say the experience is a living nightmare, a sleeping wakefulness~~ in which they relive the bottomless woe and paralyzing fear of Dorn's darkest moment: the moment he saw the Emperor near death after the battle aboard the ''Vengeful Spirit''. ~~When affected by Dorn~~'~~s Darkness~~, ~~its victims cannot speak or communicate. They cannot feed themselves or take water~~ and ~~seem feverishly insensible to everything~~ happening ~~about~~ them. Basically, if the Black Rage is unbridled [[RAGE]] unbound, Dorn's Darkness is crippling, ruinous depression.		* A mutation with some similarities to the Blood Angel's Black Rage, known as "Dorn's Darkness.". Those affected enter a dream-like state in which they relive the bottomless woe and paralyzing fear of Dorn's darkest moment: the moment he saw the Emperor near death after the battle aboard the ''Vengeful Spirit''. They can't care for themselves while in this state, and don't recognise anything happening around them.
			** Basically, if the Black Rage is unbridled [[RAGE]] unbound, Dorn's Darkness is crippling, ruinous depression.

	===== Crimson Fists =====		===== Crimson Fists =====
	* A mutation similar to Dorn's Darkness, known as "Only Honour In Death". The "curse" causes a massively increased willingness to fight to the last, holding their ground with a siege-like mentality which will see them triumph or die in the attempt the more foes that the Astartes faces, and the longer they are in combat, the more likely and stronger the curse becomes, making them feel emotions much like what Dorn felt during the [[Perturabo#Iron_Cage_Trolling\|Iron Cage Incident]]. When succumbing to the "curse" the affected Battle-Brother sees only death: the death of their comrades, the death of the world, and the death of their foes. The curse is seen to come in three stages:		* A mutation similar to Dorn's Darkness, known as "Only Honour In Death". The "curse" causes a massively increased willingness to fight to the last, holding their ground with a siege-like mentality which will see them triumph or die in the attempt the more foes that the Astartes faces, and the longer they are in combat, the more likely and stronger the curse becomes, making them feel emotions much like what Dorn felt during the [[Perturabo#Iron_Cage_Trolling\|Iron Cage Incident]]. When succumbing to the "curse" the affected Battle-Brother sees only death: the death of their comrades, the death of the world, and the death of their foes. The curse is seen to come in three stages:
	** Stage 1 - No Retreat. As the odds mount so does the Battle-Brother's stubborn refusal to retreat, seeing only the glory and honour in defeating such overwhelming foes if even the barest glimmer of victory remains. The Battle-Brother will even continue to fight, even if the Codex Astartes does not support that action, until there is no hope of victory left.		** Stage 1 - No Retreat. As the odds mount so does the Battle-Brother's stubborn refusal to retreat, seeing only the glory and honour in defeating such overwhelming foes if even the barest glimmer of victory remains. The Battle-Brother will even continue to fight, even if the Codex Astartes does not support that action, until there is no hope of victory left.
	** Stage 2 - Suffer not Defeat. The Battle-Brother ~~would~~ rather die fighting than ~~accept that he has failed. This can lead to reckless behaviour as he throws himself into the fray~~ or ~~takes on excessive odds~~ to ~~win~~ when ~~prudence and tactical~~ reason ~~would dictate he withdraw~~. ~~Basically a mini-Black Rage~~		** Stage 2 - Suffer not Defeat. The Battle-Brother decides [[Red Scorpions\|he'd rather die fighting than take a step back or listen to reason]], even when there's little reason to do so.
	** Stage 3 - Unto Death. The Battle-Brother ~~gains a fatalistic desire to sell his life~~ for ~~the cause and will choose to expend his own life for a chance at~~ victory or the safety of his brothers~~. He has come to accept that perhaps only the cost~~ of his own life will be enough to secure victory. This can have dire consequences should the circumstances present him with a chance to martyr himself for the Emperor and bring ruin to the enemies of the Imperium. This means he ~~will fight on regardless of his wounds and continue to attack or place himself in the path of attacks even though the next blow could mean his end~~. He ~~will also gladly~~ accept ~~suicidal~~ or near-suicidal tasks.		** Stage 3 - Unto Death. [[Blackshield\|The Battle-Brother becomes hell-bent on sacrificing himself for victory or the safety of his brothers, regardless of how badly hurt he is.]] He'll happily accept suicide missions or near-enough suicidal tasks. Essentially Black Rage 2: Fists Boogaloo.

	==== Space Wolves (VI Legion) ====		==== Space Wolves (VI Legion) ====
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	While their primary gene-seed is decently stable, when under extreme stress a percentage Raven Guard warriors will lapse into bouts of suicidal rage known as Ash Blindness or Sable Brand. This is rarely permanent, but occurred with enough frequency that [[Corax]] would organize these warriors into the [[Moritat]]. Their missing and malfunctioning geneseed organs is a result of [[Corax]], out of desperation following the [[Drop Site Massacre]], delving into use of forbidden lore and archeo-tech from days long past to accelerate gene-seed maturation, and try to boost his Legion's numbers after their losses during the [[Horus Heresy]]. He was successful, until the [[Alpha Legion]] decided to make the whole project go FUBAR. The subsequent 'Marines', if they can be called that, were numerous, but were barely controllable monsters and/or would simply die off as a result of the extreme imbalances in their dispositions. Presumably, a few of them would even have functioning Progenoids, let alone usable gene-seed. Due to the law of averages though, at least a FEW would have had to been stable enough, and is being worked on secretly by the Raven Guard Apothecaries and associated [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|Mechanicus]] Biologicans.		While their primary gene-seed is decently stable, when under extreme stress a percentage Raven Guard warriors will lapse into bouts of suicidal rage known as Ash Blindness or Sable Brand. This is rarely permanent, but occurred with enough frequency that [[Corax]] would organize these warriors into the [[Moritat]]. Their missing and malfunctioning geneseed organs is a result of [[Corax]], out of desperation following the [[Drop Site Massacre]], delving into use of forbidden lore and archeo-tech from days long past to accelerate gene-seed maturation, and try to boost his Legion's numbers after their losses during the [[Horus Heresy]]. He was successful, until the [[Alpha Legion]] decided to make the whole project go FUBAR. The subsequent 'Marines', if they can be called that, were numerous, but were barely controllable monsters and/or would simply die off as a result of the extreme imbalances in their dispositions. Presumably, a few of them would even have functioning Progenoids, let alone usable gene-seed. Due to the law of averages though, at least a FEW would have had to been stable enough, and is being worked on secretly by the Raven Guard Apothecaries and associated [[Adeptus Mechanicus\|Mechanicus]] Biologicans.

	Otherwise, despite being pretty fucked up by the [[Drop Site Massacre]], they've mostly recovered (thanks in no small part to having the ''only'' loyalist Primarch to get away from the Massacre in one piece) and do still contribute to successors [[Death Spectres\|here]] and [[Raptors (Chapter)\|there]].		Otherwise, despite being pretty fucked up by the [[Drop Site Massacre]], they've mostly recovered (thanks in no small part to having the ''only'' loyalist Primarch to get away from the Massacre in one piece) and do still contribute to successors [[Death Spectres\|here]] and [[Raptors (Chapter)\|there]].

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	** Stage 3 - Lead the Charge: In boarding actions, the greatest honour goes to those first through the breech and first to face the foe. The Battle-Brother accepts that he must take this role as his honour demands it, and it is just another way to prove his courage and loyalty in the eyes of his peers. If there is a choice or a chance to lead a charge or be the first to face the enemy, the Battle-Brother must take it. Furthermore he will seek out such opportunities, volunteering for dangerous duties if they mean he will get to lead others into the fray. In combat, the Battle-Brother will also seek out the most dangerous or powerful-looking foes, even at the cost of ignoring closer or more pressing enemies to his brethren's tactical disadvantage.		** Stage 3 - Lead the Charge: In boarding actions, the greatest honour goes to those first through the breech and first to face the foe. The Battle-Brother accepts that he must take this role as his honour demands it, and it is just another way to prove his courage and loyalty in the eyes of his peers. If there is a choice or a chance to lead a charge or be the first to face the enemy, the Battle-Brother must take it. Furthermore he will seek out such opportunities, volunteering for dangerous duties if they mean he will get to lead others into the fray. In combat, the Battle-Brother will also seek out the most dangerous or powerful-looking foes, even at the cost of ignoring closer or more pressing enemies to his brethren's tactical disadvantage.

	It is unclear if these are actually geneseed flaws or cultural issues ascribed to geneseed		It is unclear if these are actually geneseed flaws or cultural issues ascribed to geneseed.

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Imperial Fists (VII Legion)

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	Despite missing two organs, the Imperial Fists gene-seed is considered to be amongst the most stable and most manly sources. It is the second most desirable source of gene-seed for Foundings. ''Second'' to the Ultramarines, of course. The Fists however, display a constant need to punish themselves for perceived failures, both real and imagined. While this is barely noticable in the primogenitor chapter, several successors manifest more pronounced versions of this flaw.		Despite missing two organs, the Imperial Fists gene-seed is considered to be amongst the most stable and most manly sources. It is the second most desirable source of gene-seed for Foundings. ''Second'' to the Ultramarines, of course. The Fists however, display a constant need to punish themselves for perceived failures, both real and imagined. While this is barely noticable in the primogenitor chapter, several successors manifest more pronounced versions of this flaw.

	Missing Sus-an Membrane is also a big deal, as it removes a "safety net" most other chapters have, and most times when Imperial Fist "falls in battle" he actually dies for good instead of passing into coma from which he could be brought back later if marines win the engagement and recover his body. That's why Imperial Fists and all their successor chapters need multiple recruiting worlds. Silver lining though is that sons of Dorn don't run the risk of being captured by Chaos and brainwashed if they fall in battle and their body is then recovered by forces of Chaos instead of allies.		Missing Sus-an Membrane is also a big deal, as it removes a "safety net" most other chapters have, and most times when Imperial Fist "falls in battle" he actually dies for good instead of passing into coma from which he could be brought back later if marines win the engagement and recover his body. That's why Imperial Fists and all their successor chapters need multiple recruiting worlds. Silver lining though is that sons of Dorn don't run the risk of being captured by Chaos and brainwashed if they fall in battle and their body is then recovered by forces of Chaos instead of allies.
	** Complicated by the [[War of the Beast]], in which the Imperial Fists were ''literally wiped out to the last man.'' In the aftermath, their successors got together to donate gene-seed to reconstitute the chapter, making their post-Beast gene-seed a chimeric melting pot of separate mutations and oddities. Additionally, it's not confirmed whether the mechanicus were holding and offered stocks of original, untainted gene-seed as part of this process. Even [[Primaris Marines\|Primaris]] marines who were made with the original stuff (and in some cases are original legionaries) may be different as it's not clear what effect Primarisification has on the gene-seed or if it's possible to make firstborn from it. In short; the Imperial Fists gene-seed may be unique among loyalist chapters in that it [[Grimdark\|simply no longer actually exists.]]
	*** Except, hilariously, in some [[Iron Warriors]], who take a particular spiteful delight in [[Blood Ravens\|stealing]] their arch-nemeses' progenoids.		* Complicated by the [[War of the Beast]], in which the Imperial Fists were ''literally wiped out to the last man.'' In the aftermath, their successors got together to donate gene-seed to reconstitute the chapter, making their post-Beast gene-seed a chimeric melting pot of separate mutations and oddities. Additionally, it's not confirmed whether the mechanicus were holding and offered stocks of original, untainted gene-seed as part of this process. Even [[Primaris Marines\|Primaris]] marines who were made with the original stuff (and in some cases are original legionaries) may be different as it's not clear what effect Primarisification has on the gene-seed or if it's possible to make firstborn from it. In short; the Imperial Fists gene-seed may be unique among loyalist chapters in that it [[Grimdark\|simply no longer actually exists.]]
			** Except, hilariously, in some [[Iron Warriors]], who take a particular spiteful delight in [[Blood Ravens\|stealing]] their arch-nemeses' progenoids.

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