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	* BECMI Gruugrakh [[Gnoll]]		* BECMI Gruugrakh [[Gnoll]]
	* [[Bard]]		* [[Bard]]
			** 3e "1 Bard + 19 Rogue", and other [[Bard]] [[Dip Class]]es superior to normal [[Bard]].
	* [[Bladesinger]] (a fighter/mage multitclassing [[kits\|kit]] for [[elves]] in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)		* [[Bladesinger]] (a fighter/mage multitclassing [[kits\|kit]] for [[elves]] in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)
	* [[Bloodrager]]		* [[Bloodrager]]

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1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Crosslinked to the Gun Mage page.

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Crosslinked to the Gun Mage page.

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	[[File:Githyanki Gish 5e.jpeg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|The aspiration all strive for, the ability to specialize in two cool things at the same time and be cooler for it.]]		[[File:Githyanki Gish 5e.jpeg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|The aspiration all strive for, the ability to specialize in two cool things at the same time and be cooler for it.]]

	''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes\|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness.		''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes\|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness. The [[gunslinger]] analogue of a gish doesn't have such a storied history, but the term [[Gun Mage]] has become popular thanks to [[WarmaHordes]].

	Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]]; the actual ''idea'' of the gish has been around since [[Elf]] was a class in [[Dungeons & Dragons]].		Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]]; the actual ''idea'' of the gish has been around since [[Elf]] was a class in [[Dungeons & Dragons]].

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			[[File:Githyanki Gish 5e.jpeg\|400px\|thumb\|right\|The aspiration all strive for, the ability to specialize in two cool things at the same time and be cooler for it.]]

	''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes\|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness.		''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes\|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness.

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List of Gish Classes

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	* [[Bard]]		* [[Bard]]
	* [[Bladesinger]] (a fighter/mage multitclassing [[kits\|kit]] for [[elves]] in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)		* [[Bladesinger]] (a fighter/mage multitclassing [[kits\|kit]] for [[elves]] in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)
			* [[Bloodrager]]
	* [[Duskblade]]		* [[Duskblade]]
	* [[Hexblade]]		* [[Hexblade]]
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	* [[Mage blade]] ([[Arcana Unearthed]])		* [[Mage blade]] ([[Arcana Unearthed]])
	* [[Magus]]		* [[Magus]]
	* [[Bloodrager]]
	* [[Paladin]] (divine gish. Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels, lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)		* [[Paladin]] (divine gish. Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels, lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)
	* [[Psychic Warrior]]		* [[Psychic Warrior]]

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The Gish Problem

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	*Make them all offense, no defense, or vise versa.		*Make them all offense, no defense, or vise versa.
	*The Gish [[Combat roles\|occupies a role]] distinct from both; e.g., while Mages are '''burst''' damage dealers, and Warriors are Tanks, the Magic Knight specializes mainly in '''sustained''' damage every round. (Mainly an MMO thing, but if you're doing a class system with a focus on roles, this solution is at least functional.)		*The Gish [[Combat roles\|occupies a role]] distinct from both; e.g., while Mages are '''burst''' damage dealers, and Warriors are Tanks, the Magic Knight specializes mainly in '''sustained''' damage every round. (Mainly an MMO thing, but if you're doing a class system with a focus on roles, this solution is at least functional.)

			When these breakdown you get [[CoDzilla]]

	==List of Gish Classes==		==List of Gish Classes==

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List of Gish Classes

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	* [[Magus]]		* [[Magus]]
	* [[Bloodrager]]		* [[Bloodrager]]
	* [[Paladin]] (divine gish, Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)		* [[Paladin]] (divine gish. Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels, lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)
	* [[Psychic Warrior]]		* [[Psychic Warrior]]
	* [[Ranger]] (quasi-druidic gish)		* [[Ranger]] (quasi-druidic gish)
	* [[Warpriest#Pathfinder\|Warpriest]] (Pathfinder version specifically, ~~Unlike~~ the Paladin they get 6th level spells and although they still have a clerics BAB they get the feat choice of a full BAB class of the same level)		* [[Warpriest#Pathfinder\|Warpriest]] (Pathfinder version specifically, unlike the Paladin they get 6th level spells and although they still have a clerics BAB, they get the feat choice of a full BAB class of the same level)
	* [[Swordmage]]		* [[Swordmage]]
	* 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a [[Fighter#5th Edition\|Fighter]]		* 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a [[Fighter#5th Edition\|Fighter]]

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List of Gish Classes

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	* [[Mage blade]] ([[Arcana Unearthed]])		* [[Mage blade]] ([[Arcana Unearthed]])
	* [[Magus]]		* [[Magus]]
	* [[Paladin]] (divine gish)		* [[Bloodrager]]
			* [[Paladin]] (divine gish, Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)
	* [[Psychic Warrior]]		* [[Psychic Warrior]]
	* [[Ranger]] (quasi-druidic gish)		* [[Ranger]] (quasi-druidic gish)
	* [[Warpriest#Pathfinder\|Warpriest]] (Pathfinder version specifically)		* [[Warpriest#Pathfinder\|Warpriest]] (Pathfinder version specifically, Unlike the Paladin they get 6th level spells and although they still have a clerics BAB they get the feat choice of a full BAB class of the same level)
	* [[Swordmage]]		* [[Swordmage]]
	* 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a [[Fighter#5th Edition\|Fighter]]		* 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a [[Fighter#5th Edition\|Fighter]]

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	Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]]; the actual ''idea'' of the gish has been around since [[Elf]] was a class in [[Dungeons & Dragons]].		Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]]; the actual ''idea'' of the gish has been around since [[Elf]] was a class in [[Dungeons & Dragons]].

	Traditionally, most gishes are the result of [[multiclassing]], or dual-classing, or hybrid classing, depending on edition. However, certain classes have increasingly been designed to support this from the ground up, due to certain inefficiencies in the multiclassing approach - most notably, the XP Tax. However, most "made" gish-classes have traditionally been "warriors, with a little magic"; examine the [[Paladin]] ([[fighter]] with some low-level [[Cleric]] spells and tricks, Though the the Cleric itself is arguably an example since from the beginning it has always had the ability to use armor and melee weapons) or the [[Ranger]] (a [[fighter]]/low-level [[druid]] blending). More melee capable mage types have been a rarity; the [[Swordmage]] of 4th edition D&D, [[Pathfinder]]'s [[Magus]] and [[Bloodrager]], or the [[Bladesinger]] [[Wizard]] and Stone [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)\|Sorcerer]] of 5e, for example. Though this is specific to Arcane casters as Divine casters such as [[Cleric\|Clerics]] have always had the ability to use armor and weaponry from the get go or at the very least lacked a penalty for gaining the ability to do so like Pathfinders [[Oracle]], Nature casters ~~where~~ prohibited from wearing metal but otherwise could use armor.		Traditionally, most gishes are the result of [[multiclassing]], or dual-classing, or hybrid classing, depending on edition. However, certain classes have increasingly been designed to support this from the ground up, due to certain inefficiencies in the multiclassing approach - most notably, the XP Tax. However, most "made" gish-classes have traditionally been "warriors, with a little magic"; examine the [[Paladin]] ([[fighter]] with some low-level [[Cleric]] spells and tricks, Though the the Cleric itself is arguably an example since from the beginning it has always had the ability to use armor and melee weapons) or the [[Ranger]] (a [[fighter]]/low-level [[druid]] blending). More melee capable mage types have been a rarity; the [[Swordmage]] of 4th edition D&D, [[Pathfinder]]'s [[Magus]] and [[Bloodrager]], or the [[Bladesinger]] [[Wizard]] and Stone [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)\|Sorcerer]] of 5e, for example. Though this is specific to Arcane casters as Divine casters such as [[Cleric\|Clerics]] have always had the ability to use armor and weaponry from the get go or at the very least lacked a penalty for gaining the ability to do so like Pathfinders [[Oracle]], Nature casters were prohibited from wearing metal but otherwise could use armor.

	The earliest "level 1 gish class" appeared in Basic D&D, in the form of the [[Elf]] racial class. required a minimum Intelligence of 9 to qualify for the character, and needed high Strength and Intelligence to gain bonuses to XP gathering. They had a D6 hit dice, started play with the Set Spear vs Attack and Lance Attack fighter manuevers, were immune to the paralysis attack of ghouls, and had a 1 in 3 chance to detect secret or hidden doors. Technically maxing out at 10th level, they gained a fairly small selection of mostly low-level spells, maxing out at 3 spells for each level from 1st to 4th and 2 level 5 spells upon hitting 10th level, but could keep gaining experience after 10th level to increase their attack rank, maxing out at Attack Rank M. At Attack Rank D, they gained the Fighter Combat Options and could make 2 attacks per round. At Attack Rank G, they halved all damage taken from breath weapons (quartering it if they passed their saving throw). At Attack Rank K, they could make 3 attacks per round.		The earliest "level 1 gish class" appeared in Basic D&D, in the form of the [[Elf]] racial class. required a minimum Intelligence of 9 to qualify for the character, and needed high Strength and Intelligence to gain bonuses to XP gathering. They had a D6 hit dice, started play with the Set Spear vs Attack and Lance Attack fighter manuevers, were immune to the paralysis attack of ghouls, and had a 1 in 3 chance to detect secret or hidden doors. Technically maxing out at 10th level, they gained a fairly small selection of mostly low-level spells, maxing out at 3 spells for each level from 1st to 4th and 2 level 5 spells upon hitting 10th level, but could keep gaining experience after 10th level to increase their attack rank, maxing out at Attack Rank M. At Attack Rank D, they gained the Fighter Combat Options and could make 2 attacks per round. At Attack Rank G, they halved all damage taken from breath weapons (quartering it if they passed their saving throw). At Attack Rank K, they could make 3 attacks per round.