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	Not as awesome as [[Dan Abnett]] or as bad as [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]], but nonetheless a competent (if inconsistent) writer [[Daemonculaba\| and a sick fuck]].		Not as awesome as [[Dan Abnett]] or as bad as [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]], but nonetheless a competent (if inconsistent) writer [[Daemonculaba\| and a sick fuck]].

	Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]] ~~shit~~. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are ~~not just tolerable but~~ actually okay.		Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]]. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are actually okay.

	He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list ~~(because of the subject matter~~, not the ~~author~~), and the famous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.		He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''Fulgrim'', which details the Isstvaan V Dropsite Massacre, ''Mechanicum'', ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list, ''Angel Exterminatus'', a book that makes “famously derided petulant man-child” Pertuabo come across as not only a good character but somewhat likeable, ''Vengeful Spirit'', which is one of the only Horus Heresy novels to feature Horus and his Legion as central characters (go figure), and the famous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.

	On the other hand, he's been responsible for some ~~Matt Ward~~-level atrocities, such as ~~claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is admittedly from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote~~ ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].		On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Ian Watson-level atrocities, such as ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish (His Captains all ambush him unarmored and beat him unconscious to torture a daemon out of him). So [[fail]] there. Also his female characters have a propensity for random hook-ups. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].

	McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:		McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:
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	* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”		* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”

	He also has a bad habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases (such as "His choler rose". Yeah.) and occasionally pulling obscure ones out for use. Keeping a dictionary to hand when reading may be advisable. McNeill also has something of a bad habit of not being able to do implications or twists - for example, ''Angel Exterminatus'' all but spells out that Barban Falk will lose his identity and become The Warsmith (with his identity even being dropped in a flat, weightless line at the very end).		He also has a bad habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases (such as "His choler rose". Yeah.) and occasionally pulling obscure ones out for use. Keeping a dictionary to hand when reading may be advisable.

	On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough ~~(didn't Chris Wraight do that first?)~~. He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as ~~[[What\|~~catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]		On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough. He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as catching a Fire Raptor in midair with his chain-and-scythe Silence, allowing Horus to throw Worldbreaker to destroy one, then vaulting up and taking up the other before finally landing facing away (of course) from the explosion. Mortarion was also shredded to ground beef by the Avenger Gatling Cannons, causing Horus to take him in his arms in a rare moment of brotherly camaraderie (he later got better). His writing of Perturabo can very obviously be seen influencing his later appearances in the Heresy (think Aaaron Dembski-Bowden with Angron or Lorgar). John French’s, Guy Haley’s and Dan Abnett’s Pertuabo feel very similar. (Gav Thorpe, of course, reverts him back to an colossal idiot.)

	Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical). Yeah, rape camps coming from the dude who wrote the Daemonculaba and a pear of anguish used on Fulgrim. Who would've thought.		Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical). Yeah, rape camps coming from the dude who wrote the Daemonculaba and a pear of anguish used on Fulgrim. Who would've thought. Unrelated, he is also very good at writing Slaaneshi forces, with his description of Fulgrim’s grand entrance in Angel Exterminatus being particularly good

	He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin. [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_%27Dinopawz%27_McNeill The list of his League work can be found here]--he's generally considered by Reddit to have done some rather good writing for League, with his best-regarded work being the grimdark Where Icathia Once Stood (featuring the closest thing League has to the Warp).		He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin. [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_%27Dinopawz%27_McNeill The list of his League work can be found here]--he's generally considered by Reddit to have done some rather good writing for League, with his best-regarded work being the grimdark Where Icathia Once Stood (featuring the closest thing League has to the Warp).

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	That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest [[Mary Sue]] of all the Smurfs. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].		That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest [[Mary Sue]] of all the Smurfs. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].

			He also did some writing for Warhammer fantasy, to include the trilogy on [[Sigmar]]’s backstory. The books are good overall, with some great scenes, like Sigmar’s battle with [[Nagash]] at the end of the third book.

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1d4chan>Necromaster810 at 11:16, 20 November 2022

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	A writer for the '''[[Black Library]]'''.		A writer for the '''[[Black Library]]'''.

	Not as awesome as [[Dan Abnett]] or as bad as [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]], but nonetheless a competent (if inconsistent) writer.		Not as awesome as [[Dan Abnett]] or as bad as [[Aaron Dembski-Bowden]], but nonetheless a competent (if inconsistent) writer [[Daemonculaba\| and a sick fuck]].

	Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]] shit. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are not just tolerable but actually okay.		Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]] shit. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are not just tolerable but actually okay.

74.131.148.137: linked Graham's League work list; no idea what 4chan's opinions on McNeil's League work are I just follow League lore

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linked Graham's League work list; no idea what 4chan's opinions on McNeil's League work are I just follow League lore

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	Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical). Yeah, rape camps coming from the dude who wrote the Daemonculaba and a pear of anguish used on Fulgrim. Who would've thought.		Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical). Yeah, rape camps coming from the dude who wrote the Daemonculaba and a pear of anguish used on Fulgrim. Who would've thought.

	He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin.		He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin. [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Graham_%27Dinopawz%27_McNeill The list of his League work can be found here]--he's generally considered by Reddit to have done some rather good writing for League, with his best-regarded work being the grimdark Where Icathia Once Stood (featuring the closest thing League has to the Warp).

	That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest [[Mary Sue]] of all the Smurfs. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].		That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest [[Mary Sue]] of all the Smurfs. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].

1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 14:06, 13 April 2022

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	He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the famous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.		He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the famous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.

	On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is, admittedly, from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].		On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is admittedly from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].

	McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:		McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:
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	* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”		* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”

	He also has a bad habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases (such as "His choler rose". Yeah.) and occasionally pulling obscure ones out for use. Keeping a dictionary to hand when reading may be advisable.		He also has a bad habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases (such as "His choler rose". Yeah.) and occasionally pulling obscure ones out for use. Keeping a dictionary to hand when reading may be advisable. McNeill also has something of a bad habit of not being able to do implications or twists - for example, ''Angel Exterminatus'' all but spells out that Barban Falk will lose his identity and become The Warsmith (with his identity even being dropped in a flat, weightless line at the very end).

	On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]		On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]

1d4chan>JunglistMarine at 15:21, 14 January 2022

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	On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]		On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]

	Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical).		Priest of Mars also makes rape camps canon, just thought you would like to know (although they're heretical). Yeah, rape camps coming from the dude who wrote the Daemonculaba and a pear of anguish used on Fulgrim. Who would've thought.

	He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin.		He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin.

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	Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]] shit. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are not just tolerable but actually okay.		Wrote the [[Ultramarines]] novels and some [[Iron Warriors]] shit. When he's writing them, the Ultramarines are not just tolerable but actually okay.

	He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the ~~infamous~~ short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.		He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the famous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.

	On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is, admittedly, from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].		On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is, admittedly, from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].

1d4chan>Ow, My Sanity. at 07:51, 10 May 2021

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	He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the infamous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.		He's also written several [[Horus Heresy]] books, including ''A Thousand Sons'', the first Black Library book to hit the New York Times Bestseller list (because of the subject matter, not the author), and the infamous short story ''[[The Last Church]]''.

	On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is, admittedly, from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So fail there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].		On the other hand, he's been responsible for some Matt Ward-level atrocities, such as claiming in his novel ''Vengeful Spirit'' that the Emperor got his powers by making a pact with the Chaos Gods (though that is, admittedly, from Horus' perspective, so...). He also wrote ''The Reflection Crack'd'', which had [[Fabius Bile]] and friends rape [[Fulgrim]] with a pear of anguish. So [[fail]] there. Oh, and Codex: [[Black Templars]].

	McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:		McNeill's writing style is very "tell, don't show." His books tend to have characters deliver their lines in uninterrupted chunks with minimal indication of what's going on around them, and very flat emotional inflection in dialogue. His descriptions are usually pretty plain and often descend into cliche; as an example, here's some excerpts of the description of the Battle of Istvaan V on p. 466-467 of "[[Fulgrim]]”:
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	* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”		* “hundreds were dying with each passing second”

	He also has a habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases, such as "His choler rose". Yeah.		He also has a bad habit of endlessly repeating awful phrases (such as "His choler rose". Yeah.) and occasionally pulling obscure ones out for use. Keeping a dictionary to hand when reading may be advisable.

	On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]		On the other hand, his stories have a wealth of background information and detail, and his few character driven stories are very good as well (read ''Priests of Mars''). And he knows how to write Mortarion - proud, clever, and ridiculously tough (didn't Chris Wraight do that first?). He even takes down a Baneblade in ''Vengeful Spirit'', as well as [[What\|catching a Fire Raptor in midair.]]
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	He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin.		He recently announced that he had been hired as a "senior narrative writer" for [[/v/\|League of Legends]], and subsequently would not be writing as actively for Black Library as he has in the past. The response to this news on /tg/ was [[Skub\|predictable]]. It's also slightly amusing, when one considers that LoL has a few shoutouts to 40k (and is very very easily amused); one character, Garen, is loosely based on an Astartes and has a Blood Angels skin.

	That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest ~~mary sue~~ of ~~any Smurf~~. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].		That said he's far from being universally liked. Some Ultramarines fans view him as going too far in the other way. Making them total failures and a vibe of "Cool Smurfs don't follow the Codex" and that the lead character [[Uriel Ventris]], becomes the biggest [[Mary Sue]] of all the Smurfs. Horus Heresy readers might criticize him for copy-pasting characters across books. Like many, many other things, this is [[Skub\|up for debate]].

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