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	* The [[Feywild]] and the [[Shadowfell]] coterminous planes were added to the planes as a whole, residing as analogues to the Prime Material Plane.		* The [[Feywild]] and the [[Shadowfell]] coterminous planes were added to the planes as a whole, residing as analogues to the Prime Material Plane.
	* The [[Element]]al Planes were reshaped so that they were physically interlinked, with the former paraelemental planes literally being the regions where two elements intersected. Additionally, the layout of the Elemental Planes were reshaped to be more like Creation in [[Exalted]]; close to the Prime, the Elemental Planes resemble the Prime, but with a specific elemental trait dominant, but go deeper and the other elements fall away until you have nothing but a pure expanse of elemental matter, akin to approaching the Elemental Poles in Exalted. Go beyond the "deep elemental", though, and you break into the Elemental Chaos, the writhing, Limbo-esque plane where all elemental matter originates from and which serves a border between the Inner and Outer Planes.		* The [[Element]]al Planes were reshaped so that they were physically interlinked, with the former paraelemental planes literally being the regions where two elements intersected. Additionally, the layout of the Elemental Planes were reshaped to be more like Creation in [[Exalted]]; close to the Prime, the Elemental Planes resemble the Prime, but with a specific elemental trait dominant, but go deeper and the other elements fall away until you have nothing but a pure expanse of elemental matter, akin to approaching the Elemental Poles in Exalted. Go beyond the "deep elemental", though, and you break into the Elemental Chaos, the writhing, Limbo-esque plane where all elemental matter originates from and which serves a border between the Inner and Outer Planes.
	* The Positive and Negative Energy Planes were removed from the Elemental Planes array (which removed the Quasielemental Planes from existence) and instead made the extreme "north" and "south" of the planar map, ~~beyond~~ the ~~Outer and Inner Planes alike~~.		* The Positive and Negative Energy Planes were removed from the Elemental Planes array (which removed the Quasielemental Planes from existence) and instead made the extreme "north" and "south" of the planar map, with the Great Wheel itself being sandwiched between the two such that all planes touch both.

	[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).		[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).

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	==Gallery==		==Gallery==
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			outer planes DaD 1.png
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	[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).		[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).

			==Gallery==
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			The Planescape Multiverse by zen79.jpg
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1d4chan>Zimriel at 03:21, 27 April 2021

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	The Wheel pattern resembles a set of consecutive rings or circles: the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]], and then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". Wrapped around all that, come the [[Outer Planes]]. These are [[alignment\|morality]]-based: the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].		The Wheel pattern resembles a set of consecutive rings or circles: the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]], and then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". Wrapped around all that, come the [[Outer Planes]]. These are [[alignment\|morality]]-based: the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].

	Back in the 1970s, the main conflict was taken from [[Michael Moorcock]]: between Law and Chaos, where either side might do deeds good or evil, but really the evil exuded from the conflict itself, often unintentionally. Later in that decade Gygax adapted this cosmology to good and evil planes alongside law or chaos. In the 1990s Planescape, seeking a ''reason'' for an alignment-based multiverse, returned to that Moorcockian theme, so bound the Great Wheel with the [[Blood War]].		Back in the 1970s, the main conflict was taken from [[Michael Moorcock]]: between Law and Chaos, where either side might do deeds good or evil, but really the evil exuded from the conflict itself, often unintentionally. Later in that decade Gygax adapted this cosmology to good and evil planes alongside law or chaos; a decade later [[Jeff Grubb]]'s [[Manual of the Planes]] fleshed it all out. In the 1990s Planescape, seeking a ''reason'' for an alignment-based multiverse, returned to that Moorcockian theme, so bound the Great Wheel with the [[Blood War]].

	The Wheel was the baseline, as mentioned, for the formative decades of D&D and therefore, inside and outside the role-playing community, has been assumed normative for that gaming system. But.		The Wheel was the baseline, as mentioned, for the formative decades of D&D and therefore, inside and outside the role-playing community, has been assumed normative for that gaming system. But.

1d4chan>Zimriel at 03:18, 27 April 2021

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	[[File:5e Great Wheel.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|5e's map of the Great Wheel.]]		[[File:5e Great Wheel.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|5e's map of the Great Wheel.]]

	The '''Great Wheel''' is a term from [[~~Dungeons~~ & ~~Dragons~~]] that came into ~~being with the [[AD&D]]~~ setting [[Planescape]]. It refers to the ~~structure~~ of ~~the multiverse, as D~~&D ~~ultimately arranged its cosmology in a pattern resembling a set of consecutive rings or circles; the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]]~~, ~~and~~ then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". After that comes the assorted [[alignment]]-based [[Outer Planes]], divided into the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].		The '''Great Wheel''' is a term from [[AD&D]] that came into its full fruition in late-2e setting [[Planescape]]. It refers to the cosmology of those two AD&D decades, preserved since then mainly by the Planescape fanbase.

	~~It is~~ the ~~most iconic cosmological set~~-up and ~~is generally upheld~~ as ~~definitive~~ for D&D ~~as a whole. There are a few divergences from~~ the ~~mold~~, ~~though:~~		The Wheel pattern resembles a set of consecutive rings or circles: the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]], and then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". Wrapped around all that, come the [[Outer Planes]]. These are [[alignment\|morality]]-based: the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].
	* [[Mystara]] ~~traditionally~~ does not use the Great Wheel~~, but~~ instead ~~uses~~ a ~~more [[Sword & Sorcery]] inspired system where~~ reality is made up of many different dimensions, ~~some~~ of ~~which happen to~~ correspond to D&D planes. Sadly, Mystara's planar lore ~~was never fleshed out~~ and so it has been lost to time.
			Back in the 1970s, the main conflict was taken from [[Michael Moorcock]]: between Law and Chaos, where either side might do deeds good or evil, but really the evil exuded from the conflict itself, often unintentionally. Later in that decade Gygax adapted this cosmology to good and evil planes alongside law or chaos. In the 1990s Planescape, seeking a ''reason'' for an alignment-based multiverse, returned to that Moorcockian theme, so bound the Great Wheel with the [[Blood War]].

			The Wheel was the baseline, as mentioned, for the formative decades of D&D and therefore, inside and outside the role-playing community, has been assumed normative for that gaming system. But.
			* [[Mystara]] descends from the [[Sword & Sorcery]] [[D&D]] which preceded and bypassed AD&D, and as such does ''not'' use the Great Wheel. Frank Mentzer's Companion / Masters / Immortal rules instead floated a reality made up of many different dimensions, aligned to five "Spheres" of focus (Energy, Time, Death, ''&c''). Some BXCMI planes correspond to D&D planes; we can certainly muse about, say, [[M5: Talons of Night]]'s Thorne with Yggdrasil and its Chasm with Pandemonium. Sadly, TSR never quite cohered Mystara's planar lore into a system and so it all has been lost to time, like tears in the rain.
	* [[Dragonlance]] technically takes place in the Great Wheel, but adds whole new planes, jumbles the Great Wheel's planes, and generally tries to pretend it has its own unique cosmology, although [[Planescape]] sources are adamant that this is just Krynnish [[Clueless]] getting a lot of shit wrong. 3rd edition, however, leans much more towards Krynn being part of its own unique cosmology, although this new multiversial map doesn't have a catchy name.		* [[Dragonlance]] technically takes place in the Great Wheel, but adds whole new planes, jumbles the Great Wheel's planes, and generally tries to pretend it has its own unique cosmology, although [[Planescape]] sources are adamant that this is just Krynnish [[Clueless]] getting a lot of shit wrong. 3rd edition, however, leans much more towards Krynn being part of its own unique cosmology, although this new multiversial map doesn't have a catchy name.
	* [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this planar model in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]], but has seemingly ditched it for the Great Wheel as of 5e.		* [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this planar model in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]], but has seemingly ditched it for the Great Wheel as of 5e.
	* [[Eberron]] has a completely and officially separate set of planes gathered into a layout called the [[Orrery]].		* [[Eberron]] has a completely and officially separate set of planes gathered into a layout called the [[Orrery]].

			This before we even get into [[Beyond Countless Doorways]] and other d20 / OGL supplements which reverted to Moorcock. (What can we say; we love 'Cock here.)

	In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_4th_Edition\|4th]] edition, the Great Wheel was replaced by the [[World Axis]] cosmology, and even though instructions on how to reshape the Axis into the Wheel were provided in the 4e [[Manual of the Planes]], it was the source of much uproar. Fans of 4e generally like the Axis, though.		In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_4th_Edition\|4th]] edition, the Great Wheel was replaced by the [[World Axis]] cosmology, and even though instructions on how to reshape the Axis into the Wheel were provided in the 4e [[Manual of the Planes]], it was the source of much uproar. Fans of 4e generally like the Axis, though.
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	[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).		[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).

	~~The Great Wheel is intimately tied up with the [[Blood War]].~~

	{{Planescape-Cosmology}}		{{Planescape-Cosmology}}

1d4chan>Skadooshbag at 16:15, 14 December 2020

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	* [[Mystara]] traditionally does not use the Great Wheel, but instead uses a more [[Sword & Sorcery]] inspired system where reality is made up of many different dimensions, some of which happen to correspond to D&D planes. Sadly, Mystara's planar lore was never fleshed out and so it has been lost to time.		* [[Mystara]] traditionally does not use the Great Wheel, but instead uses a more [[Sword & Sorcery]] inspired system where reality is made up of many different dimensions, some of which happen to correspond to D&D planes. Sadly, Mystara's planar lore was never fleshed out and so it has been lost to time.
	* [[Dragonlance]] technically takes place in the Great Wheel, but adds whole new planes, jumbles the Great Wheel's planes, and generally tries to pretend it has its own unique cosmology, although [[Planescape]] sources are adamant that this is just Krynnish [[Clueless]] getting a lot of shit wrong. 3rd edition, however, leans much more towards Krynn being part of its own unique cosmology, although this new multiversial map doesn't have a catchy name.		* [[Dragonlance]] technically takes place in the Great Wheel, but adds whole new planes, jumbles the Great Wheel's planes, and generally tries to pretend it has its own unique cosmology, although [[Planescape]] sources are adamant that this is just Krynnish [[Clueless]] getting a lot of shit wrong. 3rd edition, however, leans much more towards Krynn being part of its own unique cosmology, although this new multiversial map doesn't have a catchy name.
	* [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this planar model in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]].		* [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this planar model in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]], but has seemingly ditched it for the Great Wheel as of 5e.
	* [[Eberron]] has a completely and officially separate set of planes gathered into a layout called the [[Orrery]].		* [[Eberron]] has a completely and officially separate set of planes gathered into a layout called the [[Orrery]].

1d4chan>QuietBrowser at 05:08, 14 December 2020

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	The '''Great Wheel''' is a term from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] that came into being with the [[AD&D]] setting [[Planescape]]. It refers to the structure of the multiverse, as D&D ultimately arranged its cosmology in a pattern resembling a set of consecutive rings or circles; the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]], and then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". After that comes the assorted [[alignment]]-based [[Outer Planes]], divided into the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].		The '''Great Wheel''' is a term from [[Dungeons & Dragons]] that came into being with the [[AD&D]] setting [[Planescape]]. It refers to the structure of the multiverse, as D&D ultimately arranged its cosmology in a pattern resembling a set of consecutive rings or circles; the [[Prime Material]] Plane at the center, bordered by the [[Ethereal Plane]], and then by the [[Elemental Planes]], which are bordered in turn by the [[Astral Plane]] - these together make up the "[[Inner Planes]]". After that comes the assorted [[alignment]]-based [[Outer Planes]], divided into the Good-based [[Upper Planes]], the Neutral-based [[Middle Planes]], and the Evil-based [[Lower Planes]].

	It is the most iconic cosmological set-up and is generally upheld as definitive for D&D as a whole, ~~even if~~ some ~~settings like~~ [[Dragonlance]] and [[~~Eberron~~]] ~~break away from the mold~~. ~~Even the~~ [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]].		It is the most iconic cosmological set-up and is generally upheld as definitive for D&D as a whole. There are a few divergences from the mold, though:
			* [[Mystara]] traditionally does not use the Great Wheel, but instead uses a more [[Sword & Sorcery]] inspired system where reality is made up of many different dimensions, some of which happen to correspond to D&D planes. Sadly, Mystara's planar lore was never fleshed out and so it has been lost to time.
			* [[Dragonlance]] technically takes place in the Great Wheel, but adds whole new planes, jumbles the Great Wheel's planes, and generally tries to pretend it has its own unique cosmology, although [[Planescape]] sources are adamant that this is just Krynnish [[Clueless]] getting a lot of shit wrong. 3rd edition, however, leans much more towards Krynn being part of its own unique cosmology, although this new multiversial map doesn't have a catchy name.
			* [[Forgotten Realms]] broke away from this planar model in [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_3rd_Edition\|3rd edition]] to gain its own unique cosmology, the [[World Tree]].
			* [[Eberron]] has a completely and officially separate set of planes gathered into a layout called the [[Orrery]].

	In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_4th_Edition\|4th]] edition, the Great Wheel was replaced by the [[World Axis]] cosmology, and even though instructions on how to reshape the ~~latter~~ into the ~~former~~ were provided, it was the source of much uproar.		In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_4th_Edition\|4th]] edition, the Great Wheel was replaced by the [[World Axis]] cosmology, and even though instructions on how to reshape the Axis into the Wheel were provided in the 4e [[Manual of the Planes]], it was the source of much uproar. Fans of 4e generally like the Axis, though.

	In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_5th_Edition\|5th]] edition, the Great Wheel returned, but with some significant changes based on the World Axis cosmology:		In [[Dungeons_%26_Dragons_5th_Edition\|5th]] edition, the Great Wheel returned, but with some significant changes based on the World Axis cosmology:

1d4chan>Skadooshbag at 04:57, 14 December 2020

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	* The Positive and Negative Energy Planes were removed from the Elemental Planes array (which removed the Quasielemental Planes from existence) and instead made the extreme "north" and "south" of the planar map, beyond the Outer and Inner Planes alike.		* The Positive and Negative Energy Planes were removed from the Elemental Planes array (which removed the Quasielemental Planes from existence) and instead made the extreme "north" and "south" of the planar map, beyond the Outer and Inner Planes alike.

	[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).		[[Pathfinder]] doesn't use the Great Wheel, instead using the inspired-by but different [[Great Beyond]], which has a lot of equivalents but ditches the balance angle and in some cases have significantly different equivalents (the Outlands are replaced by the [[Boneyard]] and River of Souls) and relations to each other (the Maelstrom, Limbo's equivalent, is by far the largest plane, rivaled only by the Abyss, and created most of the others out of its substance vis a vis Order arising from Chaos. [[Axis]], the Mechanus equivalent, is an expansionist city founded by lawful planars who made [[Inevitable\|Inevitables]] to defend it from the Malestrom. etc.).

	The Great Wheel is intimately tied up with the [[Blood War]].		The Great Wheel is intimately tied up with the [[Blood War]].

	{{Planescape-Cosmology}}		{{Planescape-Cosmology}}