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1d4chan>TheSpoilerHeretic: /* The God of the Greater Good? */

2022-12-01T02:33:57Z

The God of the Greater Good?

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	In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.		In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.

	Unfortunately, this tumor upon lore is only expanding. In Kelly's latest Shadowsun novel, this 'goddess' now has the power to fight against the Death Guard by protecting people from their plagues, becalming Death Guard ships in the warp, and even destroying them along with the minds of its crew. This goddess is described as shaped like a human and tau, while possessing arms from many of the respective races in the Empire. They held weapons, tools of knowledge, and wisps of light. All that's required is the client races of the Tau Empire praying/believing it (or at least its effects) into existence. Black Library and Phil Kelly have chosen to double down on this fucktarded piece of lore, so stow any hopes of this shit going away or getting a satisfactory explanation.		Unfortunately, this tumor upon lore is only expanding. In Kelly's latest Shadowsun novel, this 'goddess' now has the power to fight against the Death Guard by protecting people from their plagues, becalming Death Guard ships in the warp, and even destroying them along with the minds of its crew (this could be used by the writer to further reinforce the Tau goddess being Tzeentch in disguise, for Nurgle is Tzeentch's arch enemy). This goddess is described as shaped like a human and tau, while possessing arms from many of the respective races in the Empire. They held weapons, tools of knowledge, and wisps of light. All that's required is the client races of the Tau Empire praying/believing it (or at least its effects) into existence. Black Library and Phil Kelly have chosen to double down on this fucktarded piece of lore, so stow any hopes of this shit going away or getting a satisfactory explanation.

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2600:387:3:805:0:0:0:BC: /* The God of the Greater Good? */

2022-11-28T17:46:30Z

The God of the Greater Good?

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	In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.		In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.

	Unfortunately, this tumor upon ~~Tau~~ lore is only expanding. In Kelly's latest Shadowsun novel, this 'goddess' now has the power to fight against the Death Guard by protecting people from their plagues, becalming Death Guard ships in the warp, and even destroying them along with the minds of its crew. This goddess is described as shaped like a human and tau, while possessing arms from many of the respective races in the Empire. They held weapons, tools of knowledge, and wisps of light. All that's required is the client races of the Tau Empire praying/believing it (or at least its effects) into existence. Black Library and Phil Kelly have chosen to double down on this fucktarded piece of lore, so stow any hopes of this shit going away or getting a satisfactory explanation.		Unfortunately, this tumor upon lore is only expanding. In Kelly's latest Shadowsun novel, this 'goddess' now has the power to fight against the Death Guard by protecting people from their plagues, becalming Death Guard ships in the warp, and even destroying them along with the minds of its crew. This goddess is described as shaped like a human and tau, while possessing arms from many of the respective races in the Empire. They held weapons, tools of knowledge, and wisps of light. All that's required is the client races of the Tau Empire praying/believing it (or at least its effects) into existence. Black Library and Phil Kelly have chosen to double down on this fucktarded piece of lore, so stow any hopes of this shit going away or getting a satisfactory explanation.

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2600:387:5:803:0:0:0:B6: /* The God of the Greater Good? */

2022-11-27T17:24:05Z

The God of the Greater Good?

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	In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.		In fact it's such a stupid idea that the only way this whole story makes any sense at all is if this is a chaos god posing as the god of the greater good. Of the big four, Tzeentch seems like the one most likely to try and pull this kind of stunt off since the Tau are dynamic, seek to upset the galactic order and the greater good is an inherently hopeful philosophy, all things that fit into his portfolio. Combined with the tau being fairly gullible about this kind of thing, and it's not out of the question for him to try this. For what end, who knows? But Tzeentch is all about plans within plans, written on a mobius strip, hidden in a Klein bottle, so it could be for a goal that is a thousand years yet to develop. That said Phil Kelly is not nearly talented enough nor enmeshed enough with the lore to think that far ahead with his writings. Still it's the best explanation we got for what's really going on here.

			Unfortunately, this tumor upon Tau lore is only expanding. In Kelly's latest Shadowsun novel, this 'goddess' now has the power to fight against the Death Guard by protecting people from their plagues, becalming Death Guard ships in the warp, and even destroying them along with the minds of its crew. This goddess is described as shaped like a human and tau, while possessing arms from many of the respective races in the Empire. They held weapons, tools of knowledge, and wisps of light. All that's required is the client races of the Tau Empire praying/believing it (or at least its effects) into existence. Black Library and Phil Kelly have chosen to double down on this fucktarded piece of lore, so stow any hopes of this shit going away or getting a satisfactory explanation.

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1d4chan>The Hat That Was at 11:55, 17 June 2022

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	==But Seriously, Folks==		==But Seriously, Folks==
			[[File:8812 md-Dawn Of War Humor Motivational Poster Poster The Greater Good.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|300px\|This is what happens when you bring philosophy to a [[Thunder Hammer\|thunder hammer]] fight.]]
	{{Topquote\|their obsessive pursuit of the so-called 'Greater Good'. Which, let us be clear, would be rather more accurately translated into Gothic as 'the Greater Good of the Tau, and the warp take the rest.'\|[[Amberley Vail]], ''The Greater Good''}}		{{Topquote\|their obsessive pursuit of the so-called 'Greater Good'. Which, let us be clear, would be rather more accurately translated into Gothic as 'the Greater Good of the Tau, and the warp take the rest.'\|[[Amberley Vail]], ''The Greater Good''}}


	~~[[File:8812 md-Dawn Of War Humor Motivational Poster Poster The Greater Good.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|300px\|This is what happens when you bring philosophy to a [[Thunder Hammer\|thunder hammer]] fight.]]~~
	For reals though, this is the background on it:		For reals though, this is the background on it:

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	Really, though, the Imperium should take advantage of the Greater Good thing to get the Tau as a cool gun to shoot at other enemies' weakpoints with. Using "Greater Good" in propaganda and diplomacy would pretty easily be turned into getting the Tau to join the Imperium's "Greater Good" so their invasive quality would be made into a tool for Imperial authorities to get everyone to shut up and do what they're told. And maybe it would help a lot with their inefficiency as a side effect. This isn't really any different than an Inquisitor using an alien weapon, just this weapon can talk.		Really, though, the Imperium should take advantage of the Greater Good thing to get the Tau as a cool gun to shoot at other enemies' weakpoints with. Using "Greater Good" in propaganda and diplomacy would pretty easily be turned into getting the Tau to join the Imperium's "Greater Good" so their invasive quality would be made into a tool for Imperial authorities to get everyone to shut up and do what they're told. And maybe it would help a lot with their inefficiency as a side effect. This isn't really any different than an Inquisitor using an alien weapon, just this weapon can talk.

	== The God of the Greater Good? ==		==The God of the Greater Good?==

	Recent fluff from Phil Kelly's novels has revealed that a brand-new Warp God has been created from the perceptions and worship of the Greater Good, mostly thanks to the psychic races of the Empire. It's a five-fingered, many-armed god, taking on a vague resemblance to an Ethereal wearing a blank and impassive mask; it seems like a benevolent being but it hungers to spread its arms across the galaxy and reshape everything in its image. This appearance is reminiscent of ''Sahasrabhuja'' from Buddhism. This massive entity saved the Fourth Sphere and blasted a hole from the Warp into reality for them to escape.		Recent fluff from Phil Kelly's novels has revealed that a brand-new Warp God has been created from the perceptions and worship of the Greater Good, mostly thanks to the psychic races of the Empire. It's a five-fingered, many-armed god, taking on a vague resemblance to an Ethereal wearing a blank and impassive mask; it seems like a benevolent being but it hungers to spread its arms across the galaxy and reshape everything in its image. This appearance is reminiscent of ''Sahasrabhuja'' from Buddhism. This massive entity saved the Fourth Sphere and blasted a hole from the Warp into reality for them to escape.

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1d4chan>Emerald Claw: /* But Seriously, Folks */ adding a quote. Really think it should be on this page, but am less sure if this is the right spot for it.

2022-06-17T11:22:40Z

But Seriously, Folks: adding a quote. Really think it should be on this page, but am less sure if this is the right spot for it.

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	==But Seriously, Folks==		==But Seriously, Folks==
			{{Topquote\|their obsessive pursuit of the so-called 'Greater Good'. Which, let us be clear, would be rather more accurately translated into Gothic as 'the Greater Good of the Tau, and the warp take the rest.'\|[[Amberley Vail]], ''The Greater Good''}}


	[[File:8812 md-Dawn Of War Humor Motivational Poster Poster The Greater Good.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|300px\|This is what happens when you bring philosophy to a [[Thunder Hammer\|thunder hammer]] fight.]]		[[File:8812 md-Dawn Of War Humor Motivational Poster Poster The Greater Good.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|300px\|This is what happens when you bring philosophy to a [[Thunder Hammer\|thunder hammer]] fight.]]
	For reals though, this is the background on it:		For reals though, this is the background on it:

2601:600:A07F:1950:680A:73DC:493E:ADC0: I think that something got lost between rounds of edits, grimderp isn't required for survival (or anything at all)

2022-02-05T21:29:39Z

I think that something got lost between rounds of edits, grimderp isn't required for survival (or anything at all)

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	==What is important to remember is this!==		==What is important to remember is this!==
	Despite all the jeers about naiveté, subtle mind control and Big Brother watching you, the Tau Empire and its philosophy of the Greater Good is still the nicest option to go with in the 40k universe, especially if you're one of those rare [[neckbeard]]s who actually realizes that grimderp and sadness doesn't always equal coolness and profundity ~~(but not smart enough to realize it exists for survival and lacking it means death or worse)~~, or who don't think that survival at the cost of your humanity is worth it when there's hope - perhaps futile hope, but hope - for doing so without sacrificing the things we value (love, beauty, compassion, freedom). So what if your leaders control the population like a club of puppet masters? At least you can trust these people not to throw you and your family into a meat grinder suicide war or to crush all the individuality and freedom out of you while saying it is for your own good. Some have said "give it ten thousand more years and the Tau Empire will be just like the Imperium" (don't forget the current Imperium is a lot more backwards and oppressive than the Emperor intended, although the Horus Heresy books reveal the only major difference besides technology is the Imperial Creed than Imperial Truth and the Creed is far more lenient and tolerant, Emps was even more purge-happy than 40K Imperium). But really, will it? The Tau are quite different from humans, so their response will be quite different as well. Until then, the Greater Good remains one of the few doctrines of the 40k universe that makes sense, and despite all the grimdark made of it recently, it is still so [[noblebright]] it can blind [[Night Lords]] a light year away.		Despite all the jeers about naiveté, subtle mind control and Big Brother watching you, the Tau Empire and its philosophy of the Greater Good is still the nicest option to go with in the 40k universe, especially if you're one of those rare [[neckbeard]]s who actually realizes that grimderp and sadness doesn't always equal coolness and profundity, or who don't think that survival at the cost of your humanity is worth it when there's hope - perhaps futile hope, but hope - for doing so without sacrificing the things we value (love, beauty, compassion, freedom). So what if your leaders control the population like a club of puppet masters? At least you can trust these people not to throw you and your family into a meat grinder suicide war or to crush all the individuality and freedom out of you while saying it is for your own good. Some have said "give it ten thousand more years and the Tau Empire will be just like the Imperium" (don't forget the current Imperium is a lot more backwards and oppressive than the Emperor intended, although the Horus Heresy books reveal the only major difference besides technology is the Imperial Creed than Imperial Truth and the Creed is far more lenient and tolerant, Emps was even more purge-happy than 40K Imperium). But really, will it? The Tau are quite different from humans, so their response will be quite different as well. Until then, the Greater Good remains one of the few doctrines of the 40k universe that makes sense, and despite all the grimdark made of it recently, it is still so [[noblebright]] it can blind [[Night Lords]] a light year away.

	At the level of narrative a big thing about The Greater Good is that it's an ideology that many a real world person today would find to some degree or another attractive. Beyond the obvious ability for people to relate to and become more invested in the setting, it also provides a stepping stone and a contrast to the grimdark everywhere else, providing a yardstick to measure against, and get some idea of the sheer scope and scale of the grimdark. Even if there are reasons in universe as to why it's the case the Imperial Creed is going to be a hard sell to pretty much everyone in the modern day to say the least even when we see what it's like in practice and the nastier interpretations there-of. The Greater Good is in general a much more palatable worldview. In Star Trek the philosophy of the Vulcans, which is framed in a positive light, is "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" and "The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few". Various real world philosophies also hit the same notes to various degrees. Encouraging altruism, cooperation between different groups, the idea that society should have a place for everyone and striving for an idea of societal harmony and the benefit of all is things that many people can get behind. Of course people can do horrible things in service of noble ideals even as they strive for them, but that does not mean that the ideas in of themselves are fundamentally repugnant.		At the level of narrative a big thing about The Greater Good is that it's an ideology that many a real world person today would find to some degree or another attractive. Beyond the obvious ability for people to relate to and become more invested in the setting, it also provides a stepping stone and a contrast to the grimdark everywhere else, providing a yardstick to measure against, and get some idea of the sheer scope and scale of the grimdark. Even if there are reasons in universe as to why it's the case the Imperial Creed is going to be a hard sell to pretty much everyone in the modern day to say the least even when we see what it's like in practice and the nastier interpretations there-of. The Greater Good is in general a much more palatable worldview. In Star Trek the philosophy of the Vulcans, which is framed in a positive light, is "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations" and "The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few". Various real world philosophies also hit the same notes to various degrees. Encouraging altruism, cooperation between different groups, the idea that society should have a place for everyone and striving for an idea of societal harmony and the benefit of all is things that many people can get behind. Of course people can do horrible things in service of noble ideals even as they strive for them, but that does not mean that the ideas in of themselves are fundamentally repugnant.

1d4chan>Flamingraptor421: /* Reasons not to accept the Greater Good */

2021-05-14T13:54:34Z

Reasons not to accept the Greater Good

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	* Alternatively, it might be a [[Nagi\|brainworm]] conspiracy to use a bunch of blue and pink meat puppets to fight their battles for them.		* Alternatively, it might be a [[Nagi\|brainworm]] conspiracy to use a bunch of blue and pink meat puppets to fight their battles for them.
	*Machine spirits actually do exist in 40k, and not having them in your technology could be a problem when Chaos shows up.		*Machine spirits actually do exist in 40k, and not having them in your technology could be a problem when Chaos shows up.
	* You run a great risked of being OMNOMED by Tyranids, atom raped by Necrons, slaughtered by ~~Orcs~~ or all of the above by Dark Eldar.		* You run a great risked of being OMNOMED by Tyranids, atom raped by Necrons, slaughtered by Orks or all of the above by Dark Eldar.


	==What is important to remember is this!==		==What is important to remember is this!==