Greyhawk Wars - Revision history

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imported>Administrator http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239364&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 13:15, 31 July 2021 2021-07-31T13:15:36Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:15, 31 July 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It all starts in the late 1980s, when TSR totally shat the bed not only due to [[Skip Williams]]' modules - [[WG10: Child's Play]] being a noted stinker - but also the books, which [[Rose Estes]] completely botched for everybody. By the end of the decade nobody wanted to touch Greyhawk with a ten-foot polearm.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It all starts in the late 1980s, when TSR totally shat the bed not only due to [[Skip Williams]]' modules - [[WG10: Child's Play]] being a noted stinker - but also the books, which [[Rose Estes]] completely botched for everybody. By the end of the decade nobody wanted to touch Greyhawk with a ten-foot polearm.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In 1991 TSR moved to fix this, with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In 1991 TSR moved to fix this <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">their own mess</ins>, with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot - more exactly, it is the wrecking ball to the ''old'' metaplot. If you didn't play this, your campaign was stuck with the 1e material and timeline; or, with ''From The Ashes''. If you did play this, you're basically watching ''Tanya The Evil'', or playing ''[[Diplomacy]]'' or ''[[Risk]]'', for all the difference it made to canon. It didn't matter much which, to [[Lorraine]]. As long as TSR got to start over and to delete Gygax and all his works.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot - more exactly, it is the wrecking ball to the ''old'' metaplot. If you didn't play this, your campaign was stuck with the 1e material and timeline; or, with ''From The Ashes''. If you did play this, you're basically watching ''Tanya The Evil'', or playing ''[[Diplomacy]]'' or ''[[Risk]]'', for all the difference it made to canon. It didn't matter much which, to [[Lorraine]]. As long as TSR got to start over and to delete Gygax and all his works.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239377&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 13:13, 31 July 2021 2021-07-31T13:13:34Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:13, 31 July 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>By canon, ''Wars'' was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>By canon, ''Wars'' was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">laid </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">groundwork in </del>1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It all starts in the late 1980s, when </ins>TSR <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">totally shat the bed not only due to [[Skip Williams]]' modules - [[WG10: Child's Play]] being a noted stinker - but also </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">books, which [[Rose Estes]] completely botched for everybody. By the end of the decade nobody wanted to touch Greyhawk with a ten-foot polearm.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In </ins>1991 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">TSR moved to fix this, </ins>with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot - more exactly, it is the wrecking ball to the ''old'' metaplot. If you didn't play this, your campaign was stuck with the 1e material and timeline; or, with ''From The Ashes''. If you did play this, you're basically watching ''Tanya The Evil'', or playing ''[[Diplomacy]]'' or ''[[Risk]]'', for all the difference it made to canon. It didn't matter much which, to [[Lorraine]]. As long as TSR got to start over and to delete Gygax and all his works.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot - more exactly, it is the wrecking ball to the ''old'' metaplot. If you didn't play this, your campaign was stuck with the 1e material and timeline; or, with ''From The Ashes''. If you did play this, you're basically watching ''Tanya The Evil'', or playing ''[[Diplomacy]]'' or ''[[Risk]]'', for all the difference it made to canon. It didn't matter much which, to [[Lorraine]]. As long as TSR got to start over and to delete Gygax and all his works.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239376&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 16:02, 21 April 2021 2021-04-21T16:02:26Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:02, 21 April 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Heresy}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Heresy}}</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">both an in-universe period </del>in the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and to </del>the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Essentially</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it </del>was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">several interrelated events </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">TSR history with respect to </ins>the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. It's the in-universe period, </ins>the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, and the years-long flamewar about its high-handed [[metaplot]]ting against the Greyhawk which the previous generation had built up</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">By canon</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''Wars'' </ins>was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239375&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 17:40, 30 January 2021 2021-01-30T17:40:39Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:40, 30 January 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l4">Line 4:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 4:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Its players</del>' <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">characters are patsies who cannot change </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">outcome</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">You may as well read a book so why buy the railroad-ticket? <strike>Unless </del>you <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">want an excuse never to read </del>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">From </del>The <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ashes</del>''.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></strike></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">- more exactly, it is the wrecking ball to the ''old'' metaplot</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If you didn</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t play this, your campaign was stuck with </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">1e material and timeline; or, with ''From The Ashes''</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">If you did play this, </ins>you<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'re basically watching </ins>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tanya </ins>The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Evil'', or playing ''[[Diplomacy]]'' or ''[[Risk]]'</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, for all the difference it made to canon. It didn</ins>'<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">t matter much which, to [[Lorraine]]. As long as TSR got to start over and to delete Gygax and all his works</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239374&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 15:43, 18 January 2021 2021-01-18T15:43:37Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 15:43, 18 January 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l8">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On the day of the treaty-signing, Rary — once a minor spellcaster created and then discarded by Brian Blume, but now elevated (by TSR diktat) to the Circle of Eight — attacked his fellow Circle members, aided and abetted by Robilar. After the attack, Tenser and Otiluke were dead, while Robilar and Rary fled to the deserts of the Bright Lands. </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>On the day of the treaty-signing, Rary — once a minor spellcaster created and then discarded by Brian Blume, but now elevated (by TSR diktat) to the Circle of Eight — attacked his fellow Circle members, aided and abetted by Robilar. After the attack, Tenser and Otiluke were dead, while Robilar and Rary fled to the deserts of the Bright Lands<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. This sets up [[WGR3: Rary the Traitor]]</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Rob Kuntz, original creator of Robilar, objected to this storyline, since he believed that Robilar would never attack his old adventuring companion Mordenkainen. Although Kuntz did not own the creative rights to Robilar and no longer worked at TSR, he unofficially suggested an alternate storyline that Robilar had been visiting another plane and in his absence, a clone or evil twin of Robilar was responsible for the attack.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Rob Kuntz, original creator of Robilar, objected to this storyline, since he believed that Robilar would never attack his old adventuring companion Mordenkainen. Although Kuntz did not own the creative rights to Robilar and no longer worked at TSR, he unofficially suggested an alternate storyline that Robilar had been visiting another plane and in his absence, a clone or evil twin of Robilar was responsible for the attack.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239373&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 21:38, 16 January 2021 2021-01-16T21:38:31Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:38, 16 January 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Heresy}}</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>{{Heresy}}</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{skubby}}</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to both an in-universe period in the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and to the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period. Essentially, it was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to both an in-universe period in the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and to the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period. Essentially, it was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239372&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 21:38, 16 January 2021 2021-01-16T21:38:05Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:38, 16 January 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l1">Line 1:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{Heresy}}</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{skubby}}</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to both an in-universe period in the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and to the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period. Essentially, it was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The '''Greyhawk Wars''' refers to both an in-universe period in the [[Greyhawk]] setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]] and to the [[splatbook]]s and adventures that relate to that time period. Essentially, it was the Greyhawk equivalent of the [[Time of Troubles]] or the [[Wrath of the Immortals]]: a Canon Catastrophe intended to give [[TSR]] - meaning [[Lorraine Williams|You Know Who]] - the excuse "they" needed to rewrite the setting and First Edition generally into something more to her liking. Or, at least, to something that wasn't to [[Gary Gygax]]'s liking. That would end up as the box set ''[[From the Ashes]]'' - but we are getting ahead of ourselves.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Zimriel http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Greyhawk_Wars&diff=239371&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Zimriel at 21:08, 16 January 2021 2021-01-16T21:08:50Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:08, 16 January 2021</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l2">Line 2:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 2:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>TSR laid the groundwork in 1991 with two World of Greyhawk Swords modules: [[WGS1: Five Shall Be One]] by [[Carl Lynwood Sargent]] and WGS2 Howl from the North by Dale Henson. These described events leading up to the war. The third module was reworked into Greyhawk Wars, a strategy war game that led players through the events, strategies, and alliances of the actual war. A booklet included with the game, Greyhawk Wars Adventurer's Book, described the event of the war. </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Although WGS1 can be played without reference to metaplot, ''Greyhawk Wars'' cannot. Its players' characters are patsies who cannot change the outcome. You may as well read a book so why buy the railroad-ticket? <strike>Unless you want an excuse never to read ''From The Ashes''.</strike></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>As to the [[fluff]]: In 582 CY (six years after Gygax's original setting of 576 CY), Iuz started a conflict that gradually widened until a war ensued that affected almost every nation in the Flanaess. Two years of horror and then stalemate brought negotiators to the city of Greyhawk, which is why the conflict became known as the Greyhawk Wars.</div></td></tr> </table>

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