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	''This article is about the [[Imperial Guard]] self-propelled artillery piece. For the gun, see [[Griffon heavy mortar]].''		''This article is about the [[Imperial Guard]] self-propelled artillery piece. For the gun, see [[Griffon heavy mortar]].''

	The '''Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier''' is a self-propelled artillery piece used by the [[Imperial Guard]]. It consists of a [[Griffon heavy mortar]] mounted in a [[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]] chassis.		The '''Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier''' is a self-propelled artillery piece used by the [[Imperial Guard]]. It consists of a [[Griffon heavy mortar]] mounted in a [[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]] chassis.

	At first glance, the Griffon seems to fall in a strange "in-between" zone -- the heavy mortar is too large to be man-portable, but it isn't large enough to achieve the same range or firepower as its larger cousins. Mounting it in a Chimera chassis almost seems a waste of both, so many [[Imperial Guard Regiment\|regiments]] that are not specifically dedicated to artillery don't bother replacing Griffons as they are lost (and wish they had once they hit the next fight).		At first glance, the Griffon seems to fall in a strange "in-between" zone -- the heavy mortar is too large to be man-portable, but it isn't large enough to achieve the same range or firepower as its larger cousins. Mounting it in a Chimera chassis almost seems a waste of both, so many [[Imperial Guard Regiment\|regiments]] that are not specifically dedicated to artillery don't bother replacing Griffons as they are lost (and wish they had once they hit the next fight).

	However, it is precisely the relatively light weight of the heavy mortar that gives the Griffon certain advantages over the other artillery pieces. Because the shells are smaller, the cannon is easier to reload and can achieve higher rates of fire. Because the Chimera is so much heavier than its cannon, the recoil is not as severe, allowing the Griffon to precisely drop shells on target. While it lacks the destructive potential to crack open a fortress or destroy a siege tank, it is more than a match for infantry and light vehicles, and so it can focus on destroying the enemies lighter, more mobile elements and leave the [[Earthshaker]]s free to engage the harder targets.		However, it is precisely the relatively light weight of the heavy mortar that gives the Griffon certain advantages over the other artillery pieces. Because the shells are smaller, the cannon is easier to reload and can achieve higher rates of fire. Because the Chimera is so much heavier than its cannon, the recoil is not as severe, allowing the Griffon to precisely drop shells on target. While it lacks the destructive potential to crack open a fortress or destroy a siege tank, it is more than a match for infantry and light vehicles, and so it can focus on destroying the enemies lighter, more mobile elements and leave the [[Earthshaker]]s free to engage the harder targets.

	== Patterns ==		== Patterns ==

	; Vanaheim : The default (and so far only known) pattern of Griffon doesn't have a tall, curved gunshield like the [[Basilisk (tank)\|Basilisk]] or [[Medusa (tank)\|Medusa]]. Even though Vanaheim also makes angular variant gunshields for those other artillery pieces, the Griffon gunshield is much lower and more angled inward than the others. Presumably, other patterns with fully enclosed turrets or taller gun shields exist.		; Vanaheim : The default (and so far only known) pattern of Griffon doesn't have a tall, curved gunshield like the [[Basilisk (tank)\|Basilisk]] or [[Medusa (tank)\|Medusa]]. Even though Vanaheim also makes angular variant gunshields for those other artillery pieces, the Griffon gunshield is much lower and more angled inward than the others. Presumably, other patterns with fully enclosed turrets or taller gun shields exist.

	== Tabletop ==		== Tabletop ==

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	''This article is about the [[Imperial Guard]] self-propelled artillery piece. For the gun, see [[Griffon heavy mortar]].''		''This article is about the [[Imperial Guard]] self-propelled artillery piece. For the gun, see [[Griffon heavy mortar]].''

	The '''Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier''' is a self-propelled artillery piece used by the [[Imperial Guard]]. It consists of a [[Griffon heavy mortar]] mounted in a [[Chimera]] chassis.		The '''Griffon Heavy Mortar Carrier''' is a self-propelled artillery piece used by the [[Imperial Guard]]. It consists of a [[Griffon heavy mortar]] mounted in a [[Chimera Transport\|Chimera]] chassis.

	At first glance, the Griffon seems to fall in a strange "in-between" zone -- the heavy mortar is too large to be man-portable, but it isn't large enough to achieve the same range or firepower as its larger cousins. Mounting it in a Chimera chassis almost seems a waste of both, so many [[Imperial Guard Regiment\|regiments]] that are not specifically dedicated to artillery don't bother replacing Griffons as they are lost (and wish they had once they hit the next fight).		At first glance, the Griffon seems to fall in a strange "in-between" zone -- the heavy mortar is too large to be man-portable, but it isn't large enough to achieve the same range or firepower as its larger cousins. Mounting it in a Chimera chassis almost seems a waste of both, so many [[Imperial Guard Regiment\|regiments]] that are not specifically dedicated to artillery don't bother replacing Griffons as they are lost (and wish they had once they hit the next fight).
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	The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but the Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you'd expect out of one.		The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but the Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you'd expect out of one.

	While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.		While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and the Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.

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	== Tabletop ==		== Tabletop ==

	The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but the Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.		The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but the Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you'd expect out of one.

	While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.		While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.

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	== Tabletop ==		== Tabletop ==

	The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.		The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but the Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.

	While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.		While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.

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	The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both pretty much ~~point at the same~~ targets~~, GEQs and similar, but the Griffon does a better job flushing out smaller squads in cover while the Wyvern works better against large squads in the open. Neither is really worth taking~~, but Guard has a lot of tools to do ~~the latter~~; the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.		The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both are pretty much optimized for GEQ targets, but Guard already has a lot of tools to do this; therefore it's debatable whether the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.

	While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.		While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.

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	The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both pretty much point at the same targets, GEQs and similar, but the Griffon does a better job flushing out smaller squads in cover while the Wyvern works better against large squads in the open. Neither is really worth taking, but Guard has a lot of tools to do the latter; the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.		The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank\|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both pretty much point at the same targets, GEQs and similar, but the Griffon does a better job flushing out smaller squads in cover while the Wyvern works better against large squads in the open. Neither is really worth taking, but Guard has a lot of tools to do the latter; the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.

			While the Griffon was occasionally seen in Guard armies in earlier editions of 40k, as of 8th/9th edition the GW model kit is long discontinued and a Forge World version is no longer available either. As such the Griffon is now considered a Legends entry.

	[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]		[[Category: Warhammer 40,000]]

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 The Griffon's heavy mortar isn't especially powerful at only S6 AP -1, especially for a vehicle-mounted mortar, but it ignores cover and line of sight entirely and keeps a respectable 48" range. Its main competition is the [[Wyvern Suppression Tank|Wyvern]]; the Wyvern rerolls wounds, but doesn't ignore cover like the Griffon. Both pretty much point at the same targets, GEQs and similar, but the Griffon does a better job flushing out smaller squads in cover while the Wyvern works better against large squads in the open. Neither is really worth taking, but Guard has a lot of tools to do the latter; the Griffon still has a niche. Aside from that, it's a Chimera chassis with the performance you expect out of one.
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