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	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==
			*''Corrosive:'' When your Hive Titan gets wounded in melee its attacker takes 1 hit. You get the most mileage out of this by feeding your Titan enemy blobs.
	*''~~Pheromones~~:'' ~~Two units~~ within 12" of this ~~unit get~~ to ~~add +1~~ to ~~their next~~ morale ~~checks~~. ~~Important for when you~~'~~re managing your packs of grunts~~.		*''Explode(X):'' If the model gets within 1" of an enemy unit it dies the enemy takes X times 3 hits. The unit also automatically passes morale tests.
	*''~~Psychic~~ Barrier:'' The unit in question can now block psychic powers as if ~~it could cast~~. This turns into a +1 bonus to block if the unit ~~could already cast~~.		*''No retreat:'' Instead of failing a morale test one unit dies and the test is passed. If you have this its use is not optional. Can be equipped onto all three Grunts, who thanks to their low Defense are prone to suffering morale tests.
			*''Pheromones:'' One friendly unit within 12" gets to move 6". Useful but expensive, so position the unit using it well.
			*''Psy-Barrier:'' The unit in question can now block psychic powers as if had Psychic(2). This turns into a +2 bonus to block if the already is Psychic. Good as a cheap defensive tool against psychic powers on the Prime Warrior, and turns the Psycho-Rex into a master of blocking at D6+4.
			*''Psychic Synapse:'' The unit as a whole is Psychic(1) for casting and blocking, except you get to roll for every model in the unit and pick the best result. This makes Synapse Floaters the best at casting the most difficult spells.
			*''Shrouding Mist:'' Activating the unit gives 2 units within 6" Stealth the next time that they are shot at. Good for warding off large volumes of infantry fire, less so against high Quality opponents.
			*''Spawn Brood:'' Upon activation the Spawning Beast automatically creates either 5 Assault Grunts, 5 Shooter Grunts or 3 Hive Swarms for free. While none are upgraded this is ridiculously cost-efficient.
			*''Spores:'' If your Mortar Beast or Invasion Artillery misses it creates 3 Spores or 1 Massive Spore 12" away from the target in the position of your opponent's choosing, and the unit cannot be activated that turn. A wily opponent will use this to block off your units that haven't been Activated yet, so keep this in mind.
			*''Surprise Attack:'' A supercharged Ambush that lets you pop up up to 1" away from enemy units, and if you appear up to 3" within an enemy unit roll 2 dice, with every 2+ dealing 3 AP(1) hits to one unit within range.
			*''Takedown:'' When your Shadow Hunter is in melee on a 2+ it gets to land an AP(1) Deadly(3) hit on a single model. Useful for sniping characters and special weapons.

	==Psychic Powers==		==Psychic Powers==
	*'''~~Fear~~ (4+):''' One enemy unit within 12" ~~suffers -~~2 ~~on their next morale roll~~.		*'''Psychic Blast (4+):''' One enemy unit within 12" takes one hit with AP(2) and Deadly(3). Bad news for any solo units.
	*'''~~Psychic Blast~~ (4+):''' ~~One~~ enemy ~~unit~~ within 12" ~~takes one hit with AP~~ 2 ~~and Deadly 3~~. ~~Bad news for any solo~~ units.		*'''Terror (4+):''' Two enemy units within 12" suffers -2 on their next morale roll. Time this right to wipe out two enemy units in one go.
	*'''~~Infuse Life~~ (5+):''' ~~One~~ friendly ~~unit~~ within 12" ~~gets Regeneration when they suffer~~ their next ~~hit~~. ~~An absolute godsend for~~ your ~~softer~~ units.		*'''Animate Flora (5+):''' 2 friendly units within 6" get Flying on their next activation. Let your fast units move through walls.
	*'''Shriek (5+):''' Two enemy units within 12" suffer an 3 AP 2 hits each. Pretty much built to give you breathing room without being Psychic Blast tiers of deadly.		*'''Shriek (5+):''' Two enemy units within 12" suffer an 4 AP(1) hits each. Pretty much built to give you breathing room without being Psychic Blast tiers of deadly.
	*'''~~Animate Flora~~ (6+):''' ~~A setpiece~~ within 6" of the ~~caster~~ can be ~~moved anywhere within 6" or removed~~ from ~~play. This is especially helpful in keeping your gunlines alive~~ or ~~exposing the enemy~~.		*'''Infuse Life (6+):''' One friendly unit within 12" gets Regeneration the next time it takes wounds. An absolute godsend for your softer units, but can be exploited by firing a weaksauce attack from the same or a different unit first.
	*'''Overwhelm (6+):''' One enemy model within 12" takes 3 AP 2 hits. If you wanted to focus fire on Shriek, this can be more reliable damage than Psychic Blast.		*'''Overwhelm (6+):''' One enemy model within 12" takes 3 AP(4) hits. If you wanted to focus fire on Shriek, this can be more reliable damage than Psychic Blast.

	==Unit Analysis==		==Unit Analysis==
	===Heroes===		===Heroes===
	* '''Hive Lord:''' A very flexible but also expensive pick. In low points games, it may struggle to get where it needs even with wings. Can be upgraded to be either very shooty, very choppy, or a mix of both, along with some support options. Somewhat unusually the Hive Lord is actually best run on his own, as with Tough 12 and a 2+ ~~save~~ he can take a beating and doesn’t offer any benefits to the unit he joins besides a morale boost. ~~Unless going for a very shooty build~~, ~~I would suggest avoiding hook upgrades as otherwise~~ you ~~will probably never actually use them. On~~ the other ~~hand, the tail upgrades are quite handy regardless of build~~. ~~Support-wise~~, ~~he can operate as a morale buff to friendly~~ units ~~within 12”, or as a counter~~ to ~~enemy psychics~~.		* '''Hive Lord:''' A very flexible but also expensive pick. In low points games, it may struggle to get where it needs even with wings. Can be upgraded to be either very shooty, very choppy, or a mix of both, along with some support options. Somewhat unusually the Hive Lord is actually best run on his own, as with Tough(12) and 2+ Defense he can take a beating and doesn’t offer any benefits to the unit he joins besides a morale boost. The Heavy Acid Cannon is fun, but it's obscenely expensive and you don't get the shots you get with other heavy weapons. Exploit his Fear by slapping good melee weapons on him (Sword Claws for Tough units, Smashing Claws for larger units with good Defense) and going to town. Wings are pricy but allow for the surgical removal of troublesome units by slapping your Hive Lord down on them.

	* '''Prime Warrior:''' While not quite as flexible as the Hive Lords, these guys are ~~still very flexible~~ for ~~about half~~ the ~~price. They still retain the fierce 2+ save and Tough 6 to absorb most blows.~~

	* '''Snatcher Lord:''' The only Psychic among the Heroes by default, though only at a rating of 1. The combination of Fast, Scout and Strider all make this hero incredibly mobile out of the gate, and for much less. Its claws also have Rending on them~~, making short work of armor while Tough 3 gives it some limited protection. However, it can only operate as either melee or as a psychic if you spring for more powers~~.

	* '''~~Veteran~~ Warrior:''' ~~A Hero~~ Hive ~~Warrior~~ for ~~all intents and purposes~~. ~~Its upgrade list is~~ more ~~in line~~ with ~~that of a warrior rather than the budget~~ Hive ~~Lord's list that~~ the ~~Prime Warrior can use while retaining Tough 6. This means that it will also lack heavy weapons and has a lesser AP game~~, but ~~you make up for it in the very low cost~~.		* '''Prime Warrior:''' While not quite as flexible as the Hive Lords, these guys are still very flexible for 200 points less. They're a lot more fragile but have access to several options, including a wide arsenal of cheap guns and can be used as an affordable anti-Psychic platform with Hive Protector. They possess several options for affordable can opening like the Smashing CLaws, but be careful not to let them punch above their weight class.

	* '''Snatcher ~~Veteran~~:''' ~~A super Soul-Snatcher~~, though ~~you're also picking the cheapest~~ of ~~the lot~~. ~~This guy loses~~ out on the AP on ~~his claws as well as Fear~~, ~~but you have all the other goodies~~. ~~For all intents and purposes~~, ~~the only upgrade~~ you ~~can give it~~ is ~~Psychic 1~~, and ~~if that~~'~~s the case~~ and ~~you're not pressed for points, you'd be better off picking the Lord~~.		* '''Snatcher Lord:''' The only Psychic among the Heroes by default, though only at a rating of 1. The combination of Fast, Scout and Strider all make this hero incredibly mobile out of the gate, and for much less. Its claws also have Rending on them, making short work of armor while Tough 3 gives it some limited protection. It has no upgrades, so what you buy is what you get. Use them for blitz attacks against units your opponent would rather keep out of melee, and take it from there. Just don't send them in alone: Defense 4+ and Tough(3) is nothing to write home about.

	===Infantry===		===Infantry===

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 ==Why Play Alien Hives==
 ====Pros====
 * A hybrid between hordes and super tough monsters
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 * You've got a lot of units to keep track of
 * Your army has issues with quality with the best only being at 3+
-* Your high AP weapons are allocated on the biggest monsters, making them big targets
+* Your monsters make for very tempting targets for fusion guns
 ==Special Rules==
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 * '''Synapse Floaters:''' Synapse Floaters are actually pretty durable for artillery. They still have a 4+ save and Tough 3, but they also get to use Regeneration to tank even more. But their real role is in their Psychic Synapse rule, which lets the unit count as Psychic with a rating equal to the number of models in it.
-* '''Hive Guardians:''' The toughest of the goons. A 2+ save and Tough 3 means that he won't be going any time soon. you can strap him up with either much deadlier melee weapons so you can screen the potential threats to your Heroes. You could also grab either the Heavy Shock-Gun for its AP 2 and Blast 3 for mob removal or the Bio-Harpoon for AP 4 and Deadly 3 so you can kill most anything.
+* '''Hive Guardians:''' The toughest of the goons. A 2+ save and Tough 3 means that he won't be going any time soon. you can strap him up with deadlier melee weapons so you can screen the potential threats to your Heroes. You could also grab either the Heavy Shock-Gun for its AP 2 and Blast 3 for mob removal or the Bio-Harpoon for AP 4 and Deadly 3 so you can kill most anything.
 * '''Spores:''' Great chaff. They die to a stiff breeze, but they offer two big advantages. One, they’re a very cheap unit that your opponent has to deal with, and two, they are one of the cheapest activations in the game. They’re especially useful against hordes or units with low defense, as 9 automatic hits is nothing to scoff at for 40pts. But the main utility is that cheap activation. It means that you have more capability to outmaneuver your opponent by forcing them to move first when it may not be advantageous, because you can just stall them with little 40pt units. Combined, these hit hard and are still only 80pts (if they survive).
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Why Play Alien Hives

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	====Pros====		====Pros====
			* A hybrid between hordes and super tough monsters
			* You've got ways of spitting out more units on the board
			* Plenty of ways to cast and block spells

	====Cons====		====Cons====
			* You've got a lot of units to keep track of
			* Your army has issues with quality with the best only being at 3+
			* Your high AP weapons are allocated on the biggest monsters, making them big targets

	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==

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Monsters

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	* '''Psycho-Rex:''' Though it only has one set of claws, the Psycho-Rex also comes with the power of Psychic 2 to make it a tanky casting beast. It can also grab Pheromones or Psychic Barrier so you can boost its casting game even further.		* '''Psycho-Rex:''' Though it only has one set of claws, the Psycho-Rex also comes with the power of Psychic 2 to make it a tanky casting beast. It can also grab Pheromones or Psychic Barrier so you can boost its casting game even further.

	* '''Tyrant Beast:'''		* '''Tyrant Beast:''' Even heavier than the Rexes and with enough to kit out for both melee and shooting. The toxic spray in particular is able to be traded off for either weapons with AP 3 and Deadly 3 or the bio-minigun and its disgusting 20 attacks at a relatively short range.

	* '''Devourer Beast:'''		* '''Devourer Beast:''' The Tyrant replaces its shooting with a really dangerous AP 4 Deadly 3 sniper, making it a nightmare for most heroes. From there, you can opt for some extra killing in melee since you lack any better shooting. Even if you spring for regeneration, never leave this beast alone because this is a very big target.

	* '''Artillery Beast:'''		* '''Artillery Beast:''' The bio-artillery it's known for is a big Blast 6, but indirect makes it prone to not moving much. This gun can be swapped off for a cannon with Rending at the cost of a smaller blast (at a 10 point discount), a small blast with AP 2 and Deadly 3 to wreck armor (free) or the focus-fire death of AP 4 and Deadly 3 (also for free). While you could take melee weapons so it can defend itself, you probably shouldn't and Impact certainly is not doing you any favors when it's denying you the power to fire your big gun.

	* '''Burrower:'''		* '''Burrower:''' The hateful baby of a Tyrant Beast and Ravenous one, strapped with three sets of AP 2 claws and can Ambush even closer to enemies so that it can kill a few enemies with its arrival. This nightmare can grab any of the melee weapons of the other behemoths, and getting Impact 6 can make charging even more of a nightmare. As a cherry on top, you can also give this beast a tail.

	* '''Spawning Beast:'''		* '''Spawning Beast:''' It's fairly unremarkable offensively, with only claws (that can be upgraded like the rest) and a ho-hum AP 1 stinger cannon to defend itself, that's not the reason you take it. No, that's because it can birth a pack of 5 grunts each turn without issue. And you absolutely should because this makes your grunts even more disposable than they should, meaning you get more activations to run with. They'll lack any upgrades, but who cares about that? You got free grunts!

	* '''Flamer Beast:'''		* '''Flamer Beast:''' Cheap and it comes with a big flamethrower-alike. Indirect allows it to go around cover, though the shorter range might make the move-and-shoot penalty show up more often. That's not such a big deal though, as this flamethrower has 6 attacks to toss at a time.

	* '''Mortar Beast:''' Although at first glance it seems a little underwhelming for the cost, this can be a pretty good unit. Indirect means that you can park it in cover, LOS blocking cover if you can, and just rain down spores. It’s only hitting on a 4+, but even if you miss, you get more spores! That means more for your opponent to deal with, and more activations for you. It may not be the most directly useful choice, but in the right army it can be handy, especially if you like to overwhelm the enemy in targets. Because it lacks AP, you’re going to need to make up for that somewhere else, or primarily target low-save units. Against hordes, this is ~~nice~~.		* '''Mortar Beast:''' Although at first glance it seems a little underwhelming for the cost, this can be a pretty good unit. Indirect means that you can park it in cover, LOS blocking cover if you can, and just rain down spores. It’s only hitting on a 4+, but even if you miss, you get more spores! That means more for your opponent to deal with, and more activations for you. It may not be the most directly useful choice, but in the right army it can be handy, especially if you like to overwhelm the enemy in targets. Because it lacks AP, you’re going to need to make up for that somewhere else, or primarily target low-save units. Against hordes, this is incredible.

	* '''Invasion Spore:''' Your only transport is also capable of Ambush, which is a pleasant way to drop its cargo (11 models of any sort or a Carnivo/Toxico/Psycho-Rex). This means that you can indeed throw in a pack of Grunts or Hive Warriors backed up by a Hero at the worst possible ~~flak~~ to snag a point. However, on its own it's essentially chaff. After landing, it's immobile with a pretty lousy 5+ Quality to fire five Bio-Guns (That you can upgrade, though all of them become the same gun) and some rather token melee. Don't expect the points you spend on upgrading those guns to pay you back.		* '''Invasion Spore:''' Your only transport is also capable of Ambush, which is a pleasant way to drop its cargo (11 models of any sort or a Carnivo/Toxico/Psycho-Rex). This means that you can indeed throw in a pack of Grunts or Hive Warriors backed up by a Hero at the worst possible flank to snag a point. However, on its own it's essentially chaff. After landing, it's immobile with a pretty lousy 5+ Quality to fire five Bio-Guns (That you can upgrade, though all of them become the same gun) and some rather token melee. Don't expect the points you spend on upgrading those guns to pay you back, but if they fire at this spore they're not firing at the beasts it was carrying that turn.

	* '''Artillery Spore:''' A bit of a weird one, this is a bit like a Mortar Beast, but also immobile~~, but also has ambush, but also~~ shoots worse ~~and~~ at a shorter range. The main reason to take this over a Mortar Beast is because you want to be sure you have that objective, and nothing will come close to it. It can also be given Regeneration to make it an even better wall Since it’s immobile it’s not that good for late-game objective grabbing, and you will miss one turn of shooting. In other words, this is really only a better choice if you desperately need better defensive abilities, or you are running out of points. Otherwise, use some Spores or Swarms to block objectives and a Mortar Beast to give fire support.		* '''Artillery Spore:''' A bit of a weird one, this is a bit like a Mortar Beast. It's got Ambush, but also immobile and shoots worse at a shorter range. The main reason to take this over a Mortar Beast is because you want to be sure you have that objective, and nothing will come close to it. It can also be given Regeneration to make it an even better wall. Since it’s immobile it’s not that good for late-game objective grabbing, and you will miss one turn of shooting. In other words, this is really only a better choice if you desperately need better defensive abilities, or you are running out of points. Otherwise, use some Spores or Swarms to block objectives and a Mortar Beast to give fire support.

	* '''Rapacious Beast:''' Your lone aircraft is rather modest with only Tough 6 and a 2+ save. Alongside its main gun (which can be upgraded to either be Blast or Deadly), you can also grab bombs that either act as your lone Anti-Air option or as extra spore deployments.		* '''Rapacious Beast:''' Your lone aircraft is rather modest with only Tough 6 and a 2+ save. Alongside its main gun (which can be upgraded to either be Blast or Deadly), you can also grab bombs that either act as your lone Anti-Air option or as extra spore deployments.

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Special Rules

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	==Special Rules==		==Special Rules==

			*''Pheromones:'' Two units within 12" of this unit get to add +1 to their next morale checks. Important for when you're managing your packs of grunts.
			*''Psychic Barrier:'' The unit in question can now block psychic powers as if it could cast. This turns into a +1 bonus to block if the unit could already cast.

			==Psychic Powers==
			*'''Fear (4+):''' One enemy unit within 12" suffers -2 on their next morale roll.
			*'''Psychic Blast (4+):''' One enemy unit within 12" takes one hit with AP 2 and Deadly 3. Bad news for any solo units.
			*'''Infuse Life (5+):''' One friendly unit within 12" gets Regeneration when they suffer their next hit. An absolute godsend for your softer units.
			*'''Shriek (5+):''' Two enemy units within 12" suffer an 3 AP 2 hits each. Pretty much built to give you breathing room without being Psychic Blast tiers of deadly.
			*'''Animate Flora (6+):''' A setpiece within 6" of the caster can be moved anywhere within 6" or removed from play. This is especially helpful in keeping your gunlines alive or exposing the enemy.
			*'''Overwhelm (6+):''' One enemy model within 12" takes 3 AP 2 hits. If you wanted to focus fire on Shriek, this can be more reliable damage than Psychic Blast.

	==Unit Analysis==		==Unit Analysis==

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	* '''Mortar Beast:''' Although at first glance it seems a little underwhelming for the cost, this can be a pretty good unit. Indirect means that you can park it in cover, LOS blocking cover if you can, and just rain down spores. It’s only hitting on a 4+, but even if you miss, you get more spores! That means more for your opponent to deal with, and more activations for you. It may not be the most directly useful choice, but in the right army it can be handy, especially if you like to overwhelm the enemy in targets. Because it lacks AP, you’re going to need to make up for that somewhere else, or primarily target low-save units. Against hordes, this is nice.		* '''Mortar Beast:''' Although at first glance it seems a little underwhelming for the cost, this can be a pretty good unit. Indirect means that you can park it in cover, LOS blocking cover if you can, and just rain down spores. It’s only hitting on a 4+, but even if you miss, you get more spores! That means more for your opponent to deal with, and more activations for you. It may not be the most directly useful choice, but in the right army it can be handy, especially if you like to overwhelm the enemy in targets. Because it lacks AP, you’re going to need to make up for that somewhere else, or primarily target low-save units. Against hordes, this is nice.

	* '''Invasion Spore:''' Your only transport is also capable of Ambush, which is a pleasant way to drop its cargo (11 models of any		* '''Invasion Spore:''' Your only transport is also capable of Ambush, which is a pleasant way to drop its cargo (11 models of any sort or a Carnivo/Toxico/Psycho-Rex). This means that you can indeed throw in a pack of Grunts or Hive Warriors backed up by a Hero at the worst possible flak to snag a point. However, on its own it's essentially chaff. After landing, it's immobile with a pretty lousy 5+ Quality to fire five Bio-Guns (That you can upgrade, though all of them become the same gun) and some rather token melee. Don't expect the points you spend on upgrading those guns to pay you back.
	sort or a Carnivo/Toxico/Psycho-Rex). This means that you can indeed throw in a pack of Grunts or Hive Warriors backed up by a Hero at the worst possible flak to snag a point. However, on its own it's essentially chaff. After landing, it's immobile with a pretty lousy 5+ Quality to fire five Bio-Guns (That you can upgrade, though all of them become the same gun) and some rather token melee. Don't expect the points you spend on upgrading those guns to pay you back.

	* '''Artillery Spore:''' A bit of a weird one, this is a bit like a Mortar Beast, but also immobile, but also has ambush, but also shoots worse and at a shorter range. The main reason to take this over a Mortar Beast is because you want to be sure you have that objective, and nothing will come close to it. It can also be given Regeneration to make it an even better wall Since it’s immobile it’s not that good for late-game objective grabbing, and you will miss one turn of shooting. In other words, this is really only a better choice if you desperately need better defensive abilities, or you are running out of points. Otherwise, use some Spores or Swarms to block objectives and a Mortar Beast to give fire support.		* '''Artillery Spore:''' A bit of a weird one, this is a bit like a Mortar Beast, but also immobile, but also has ambush, but also shoots worse and at a shorter range. The main reason to take this over a Mortar Beast is because you want to be sure you have that objective, and nothing will come close to it. It can also be given Regeneration to make it an even better wall Since it’s immobile it’s not that good for late-game objective grabbing, and you will miss one turn of shooting. In other words, this is really only a better choice if you desperately need better defensive abilities, or you are running out of points. Otherwise, use some Spores or Swarms to block objectives and a Mortar Beast to give fire support.

	* '''Rapacious Beast:'''		* '''Rapacious Beast:''' Your lone aircraft is rather modest with only Tough 6 and a 2+ save. Alongside its main gun (which can be upgraded to either be Blast or Deadly), you can also grab bombs that either act as your lone Anti-Air option or as extra spore deployments.

	==Army Building==		==Army Building==