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	The very first mention of the idea was in [[Unearthed Arcana]] for AD&D 1e. Here, half-drow were described as literally nothing more than standard half-elves, but with the drow's sunlight vulnerability trait slapped on top (in short, whilst exposed to sunlight, you suffer -2 dexterity and a -2 penalty on your to-hit rolls, and your foes get a +2 bonus to their saving throws against your attacks - this decreases to a -1 to hit penalty and a +1 save bonus if you're in shadow but your victim is in direct sunlight). Not exactly the kind of thing to make people interested.		The very first mention of the idea was in [[Unearthed Arcana]] for AD&D 1e. Here, half-drow were described as literally nothing more than standard half-elves, but with the drow's sunlight vulnerability trait slapped on top (in short, whilst exposed to sunlight, you suffer -2 dexterity and a -2 penalty on your to-hit rolls, and your foes get a +2 bonus to their saving throws against your attacks - this decreases to a -1 to hit penalty and a +1 save bonus if you're in shadow but your victim is in direct sunlight). Not exactly the kind of thing to make people interested.

	Half-drow appeared in 3e in the [[Forgotten Realms]] splatbook, [[~~Races of X\|~~Races of Faerun]]. Here, they are treated as half-elves who have Darkvision 60 feet and the trait "Drow Blood", which causes their race to be treated as Drow for the sake of any special effects or abilities that specifically target or otherwise key off of race. It's unclear if this supplements the normal Elf Blood racial trait (meaning half-drow can thusly use human, elf, ''and'' drow items & classes), or replaces it entirely; most DMs will probably come down on the latter side, though. The setting neutral 3e version of Drow of the Underdark would clarify that, yes, Drow Blood is basically Elf Blood with the added addendum of also counting as a drow for drow-specific effects. It also added a new feat to allow half-elves to function the way half-Drow originally ''should'' have been written:		Half-drow appeared in 3e in the [[Forgotten Realms]] splatbook, [[Races of Faerun]]. Here, they are treated as half-elves who have Darkvision 60 feet and the trait "Drow Blood", which causes their race to be treated as Drow for the sake of any special effects or abilities that specifically target or otherwise key off of race. It's unclear if this supplements the normal Elf Blood racial trait (meaning half-drow can thusly use human, elf, ''and'' drow items & classes), or replaces it entirely; most DMs will probably come down on the latter side, though. The setting neutral 3e version of Drow of the Underdark would clarify that, yes, Drow Blood is basically Elf Blood with the added addendum of also counting as a drow for drow-specific effects. It also added a new feat to allow half-elves to function the way half-Drow originally ''should'' have been written:

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	Perhaps the best the poor half-drow have ever had it has been in 5th edition, where a half-elf can trade their two free skill proficiencies for the drow's racial spell-like abilities; it's not much, but at least it's something to represent drow ancestry, and it's decently beefy. The same can't be said for the half-drow option for [[World of Farland]] 5e, which trades the two free skill proficiencies for Darkvision 90 feet and a watered-down version of the drow's racial spell-like abilities (Dancing Lights cantrip, Faerie Fire 1/day at 3rd level).		Perhaps the best the poor half-drow have ever had it has been in 5th edition, where a half-elf can trade their two free skill proficiencies for the drow's racial spell-like abilities; it's not much, but at least it's something to represent drow ancestry, and it's decently beefy. The same can't be said for the half-drow option for [[World of Farland]] 5e, which trades the two free skill proficiencies for Darkvision 90 feet and a watered-down version of the drow's racial spell-like abilities (Dancing Lights cantrip, Faerie Fire 1/day at 3rd level).

			==Offshoot Races==
			Obviously, the default half-elf is an elf-human hybrid. But there have been a few other elf hybrid races out there which would technically fall under the half-elf umbrella:
			* [[Tel-Amhothlan]] Elf crossed with [[Orc]]
			* [[N'djatwa]] Elf crossed with [[Ogre]]
			* [[Celadrin]] - Elf crossed with [[Eladrin]] (Firre)
			* [[Fey'ri]] - Elf crossed with [[Tanar'ri]]

	==How they differ from real-life hybrids==		==How they differ from real-life hybrids==

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	In the Hazy Greyness of the Far Future, Half-Elves retain their floating bonus and free skill focus, but also gain the Elven immunity to sleep effects. They can swap out the Skill focus for a +2 bonus to Culture and a free re-roll on Diplomacy, or swap out Low-Light vision for Full Darkvision.		In the Hazy Greyness of the Far Future, Half-Elves retain their floating bonus and free skill focus, but also gain the Elven immunity to sleep effects. They can swap out the Skill focus for a +2 bonus to Culture and a free re-roll on Diplomacy, or swap out Low-Light vision for Full Darkvision.

	And as it turns out, Half-Elves can also be born from [[~~Rhyphorian~~]]s as well as Humans. Half-Ryphorians have the same resistances as Transitional Ryphorians(regardless of the state of their Ryphorian parent) in exchange for the free Skill Focus, and have the Ryphorian trait instead of Human.		And as it turns out, Half-Elves can also be born from [[Ryphorian]]s as well as Humans. Half-Ryphorians have the same resistances as Transitional Ryphorians(regardless of the state of their Ryphorian parent) in exchange for the free Skill Focus, and have the Ryphorian trait instead of Human.

	===Pathfinder 2e===		===Pathfinder 2e===

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	A survey of characters determined that Half-Elves were the second most common race in the game. Unlike the third and fourth (Elf and Half-Orc, which were overwhelmingly concentrated on intelligence based classes and beat stick classes respectively), Half-Elf characters had a respectable spread of class focus. Like humans they occupied roughly the same percentage of characters on every class with the exception of, oddly enough, the classes where full elves were viable options.		A survey of characters determined that Half-Elves were the second most common race in the game. Unlike the third and fourth (Elf and Half-Orc, which were overwhelmingly concentrated on intelligence based classes and beat stick classes respectively), Half-Elf characters had a respectable spread of class focus. Like humans they occupied roughly the same percentage of characters on every class with the exception of, oddly enough, the classes where full elves were viable options.

			===Starfinder===
			In the Hazy Greyness of the Far Future, Half-Elves retain their floating bonus and free skill focus, but also gain the Elven immunity to sleep effects. They can swap out the Skill focus for a +2 bonus to Culture and a free re-roll on Diplomacy, or swap out Low-Light vision for Full Darkvision.

			And as it turns out, Half-Elves can also be born from [[Rhyphorian]]s as well as Humans. Half-Ryphorians have the same resistances as Transitional Ryphorians(regardless of the state of their Ryphorian parent) in exchange for the free Skill Focus, and have the Ryphorian trait instead of Human.

	===Pathfinder 2e===		===Pathfinder 2e===

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	==Tolkien==		==Tolkien==
	As with most things with Elves, the idea of a Half-Elf-Half-Human has its origins in Tolkien. The thing is in Tolkien, they sort of exist, sort of don't exist, at least as we know them today. [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Half-elven It's complicated.]		As with most things with Elves, the idea of a Half-Elf-Half-Human has its origins in Tolkien. The thing is in Tolkien, they sort of exist, sort of don't exist, at least as we know them today (funnily enough Luthien was technically half-angel and half-elf). [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Half-elven It's complicated.]

	==Origin==		==Origin==

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	==How they differ from real-life hybrids==		==How they differ from real-life hybrids==
	Half-elves rarely work the same way real life hybrid creatures do. Some ~~diffrences~~ are well-known, others less so.		Half-elves rarely work the same way real life hybrid creatures do.<ref>But then, real life hybrid creatures don't always work the same way real life hybrid creatures do. You've got [[wikipedia:Category:Intergeneric_hybrids\|hybrids from different genera]], [[wikipedia:Sturddlefish\|hybrids from different families]], [[wikipedia:Canid hybrid\|fertile hybrids]] and [[wikipedia:List of genetic hybrids\|other such things]]. But there's no need to overcomplicate things yet.</ref> Some differences are well-known, others less so.

	===Implications for how humans, elves, dwarves, etc. are related===		===Implications for how humans, elves, dwarves, etc. are related===

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	Something not well known by lay people is that Real-life types of hybrids actually come in pairs, depending on which species is the mom and which the dad. Mules, for example, only happen when the horse is the mom and the donkey the dad; if the horse is the dad you get what's called a hinny. So if elves existed in real life, A human mom and an elf dad would produce something with entirely different stats than the child of an elf mom and a human dad.		Something not well known by lay people is that Real-life types of hybrids actually come in pairs, depending on which species is the mom and which the dad. Mules, for example, only happen when the horse is the mom and the donkey the dad; if the horse is the dad you get what's called a hinny. So if elves existed in real life, A human mom and an elf dad would produce something with entirely different stats than the child of an elf mom and a human dad.

	So all in all, a setting with humans, elves, dwarves, and halflings would have ~~(4^2)x2, or 32~~, types of hybrids... which probably explain why nobody ever does it this way, now that we mention it.		So all in all, a setting with humans, elves, dwarves, and halflings would have 12, types of hybrids... which probably explain why nobody ever does it this way, now that we mention it.

	===The second, non-biological possibility===		===The second, non-biological possibility===

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	===The second, non-biological possibility===		===The second, non-biological possibility===

	Tolkien directly stated that, as far as half-elves were concerned, the difference between human and elf was more a matter of divine patronage than genetics; since Half-Elves had claim to two possibilities of such patronage, and such patronage was usually exclusive, they needed to choose between them. The [[Dresden Files]] setting has something similar going on for Changelings (half-Fae).		Tolkien directly stated that, as far as half-elves were concerned, the difference between human and elf was more a matter of divine patronage than genetics (which again weren't even fully understood yet at the time); since Half-Elves had claim to two possibilities of such patronage, and such patronage was usually exclusive, they needed to choose between them. The [[Dresden Files]] setting has something similar going on for Changelings (half-Fae).

	In other words, in these settings, half-elf is (1) a purely transitory state; either they go fully human, or fully elf, and (2) a matter of belonging to two somewhat mutually exclusive groupings, a bit like how some people have [[wikipedia:Multiple citizenship\|Dual Citizen status]].		In other words, in these settings, half-elf is (1) a purely transitory state; either they go fully human, or fully elf, and (2) a matter of belonging to two somewhat mutually exclusive groupings, a bit like how some people have [[wikipedia:Multiple citizenship\|Dual Citizen status]].