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1d4chan>QuietBrowser at 09:22, 9 February 2023

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 In Dragon #319, half-giants were... well, basically unchanged. The magazine literally says "use the EPH half-giant, just change [[Favored Class]] from [[Psychic Warrior]] to [[Barbarian]]".
 Eneko are a variant half-giant in Eberron detailed in ''Secrets of Sarlona''. The name sounds Japanese, but means nothing (and sounds like a girl's name even if it did).
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 ::Level Adjustment: +1
-Eneko is a pretty terrible trade compared to normal half-giant. With a dex penalty and only being good at classes that are ''already'' proficient there's no way longbow proficiency will see use (why a half-oni gets that of all abilities isn't clear either). Whoever wrote eneko didn't realize a scaling psi-like ability is '''far''' more powerful than an equivalent spell-like ability since psi-like abilities get their manifester level in free augments: Half-Giant's stomp does 1d4 extra damage to everything in the cone every effective manifester level, which is not amazing but an option for dealing with hordes and far better than two spells easily duplicated by magic items at mid-level.
+Eneko is a pretty terrible trade compared to normal half-giant. With a dex penalty and only being good at classes that are ''already'' proficient in it, there's no way longbow proficiency will see use (why a half-oni gets that of all abilities isn't clear either). Whoever wrote eneko didn't realize a scaling psi-like ability is '''far''' more powerful than an equivalent spell-like ability since psi-like abilities get their manifester level in free augments: Half-Giant's stomp does 1d4 extra damage to everything in the cone every effective manifester level, which is not amazing but an option for dealing with hordes and far better than two spells easily duplicated by magic items at mid-level.
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1d4chan>SpectralTime at 07:33, 9 February 2023

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	If you've read the alignment page at all, then you're probably already getting alarm bells already. Half-Giants could easily support [[That Guy]], although even the books tried to provide advice on how to not use this trait to be a dick.		If you've read the alignment page at all, then you're probably already getting alarm bells already. Half-Giants could easily support [[That Guy]], although even the books tried to provide advice on how to not use this trait to be a dick.

	Despite this, half-giants were also popular for just how absolutely ''broken'' they were. Yeah, they had to pay twice as much for everything and needed twice the daily supplies, but when it came to combat-related muscle, half-giants outcheesed even the mighty [[mul]]s... well, sort of.		Despite this, half-giants were also popular for just how absolutely ''broken'' they were. Yeah, they had to pay twice as much for everything and needed twice the daily supplies (not a non-trivial concern in Athas), but when it came to combat-related muscle, half-giants outcheesed even the mighty [[mul]]s... well, sort of.

	Half-Giants appeared with "Non-Athasian" fluff in the Expanded Psionics handbook, and were subsequently referred to in the Dark Sun 3e update in [[Dragon Magazine]] #319. [[Eberron]] has a variant Half-Giant descended from the [[Oni\|Ogre Mage]] called [[Eneko]] that appear in ''Secrets of Sarlona''. After 3e, though, half-giants disappeared; 4th edition, in its most controversial change for Dark Sun, instead used the half-giant lore as reflavoring for a previously introduced race, the [[Goliath]], even going so far as to strip them of their "you change your personality on a daily basis" fluff.		Half-Giants appeared with "Non-Athasian" fluff in the Expanded Psionics handbook, and were subsequently referred to in the Dark Sun 3e update in [[Dragon Magazine]] #319. [[Eberron]] has a variant Half-Giant descended from the [[Oni\|Ogre Mage]] called [[Eneko]] that appear in ''Secrets of Sarlona''. After 3e, though, half-giants disappeared; 4th edition, in its most controversial change for Dark Sun, instead used the half-giant lore as reflavoring for a previously introduced race, the [[Goliath]], even going so far as to strip them of their "you change your personality on a daily basis" fluff.

1d4chan>Stephenlucas600: /* Eberron */

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Eberron

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1d4chan>Stephenlucas600 at 21:37, 9 July 2021

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	'''Half-Giants''' are a race in the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] setting of [[Dark Sun]]. They are magical fusions of [[human]]s and the now all-but-extinct [[giant]]s, creating a race that fills the [[half-orc]] niche of "Big, Strong, Dumb Bruiser Race" with an even bigger, stronger, and dumber bruiser race... which is a little redundant in a setting that already has [[mul]]s in it.		'''Half-Giants''' are a race in the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] setting of [[Dark Sun]]. They are magical fusions of [[human]]s and the now all-but-extinct [[giant]]s, creating a race that fills the [[half-orc]] niche of "Big, Strong, Dumb Bruiser Race" with an even bigger, stronger, and dumber bruiser race... which is a little redundant in a setting that already has [[mul]]s in it.

			[[File:RacesDramagAthashalfgiants.jpeg\|thumb\|right]]
	Half-Giants were introduced in the original Campaign Setting sourcebook for Dark Sun, where they were described as a race descended from mysterious origins that saw humans and giants magically fused to create entities with giant-like stature (and dull wits), but a human-like interest in communication and cooperation, curiosity, willingness to learn, and a general tendency towards kindness. The Revised Edition clarified that half-giants were creations of the Sorcerer-Kings, which surprised pretty much nobody.		Half-Giants were introduced in the original Campaign Setting sourcebook for Dark Sun, where they were described as a race descended from mysterious origins that saw humans and giants magically fused to create entities with giant-like stature (and dull wits), but a human-like interest in communication and cooperation, curiosity, willingness to learn, and a general tendency towards kindness. The Revised Edition clarified that half-giants were creations of the Sorcerer-Kings, which surprised pretty much nobody.

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	'''Half-Giants''' are a race in the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] setting of [[Dark Sun]]. They are magical fusions of [[human]]s and the now all-but-extinct [[giant]]s, creating a race that fills the [[half-orc]] niche of "Big, Strong, Dumb Bruiser Race" with an even bigger, stronger, and ~~bruisier~~ race.... which is a little redundant in a setting that already has [[mul]]s in it.		'''Half-Giants''' are a race in the [[Dungeons & Dragons]] setting of [[Dark Sun]]. They are magical fusions of [[human]]s and the now all-but-extinct [[giant]]s, creating a race that fills the [[half-orc]] niche of "Big, Strong, Dumb Bruiser Race" with an even bigger, stronger, and dumber bruiser race... which is a little redundant in a setting that already has [[mul]]s in it.

	Half-Giants were introduced in the original Campaign Setting sourcebook for Dark Sun, where they were described as a race descended from mysterious origins that saw humans and giants magically fused to create entities with giant-like stature (and dull wits), but a human-like interest in communication and cooperation, curiosity, willingness to learn, and a general tendency towards kindness. The Revised Edition clarified that half-giants were creations of the Sorcerer-Kings, which surprised pretty much nobody.		Half-Giants were introduced in the original Campaign Setting sourcebook for Dark Sun, where they were described as a race descended from mysterious origins that saw humans and giants magically fused to create entities with giant-like stature (and dull wits), but a human-like interest in communication and cooperation, curiosity, willingness to learn, and a general tendency towards kindness. The Revised Edition clarified that half-giants were creations of the Sorcerer-Kings, which surprised pretty much nobody.

1d4chan>FenaTiX at 19:21, 30 May 2021

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1d4chan>SirSprinkles: /* Stats */

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Stats

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	::Powerful Build: A half-giant can be treated as being one size category larger when it is beneficial to be bigger, namely opposing grapples, bull rushes and trips, being swallowed whole, and wielding larger weapons. Its space and reach remain that of a creature of its actual size category.		::Powerful Build: A half-giant can be treated as being one size category larger when it is beneficial to be bigger, namely opposing grapples, bull rushes and trips, being swallowed whole, and wielding larger weapons. Its space and reach remain that of a creature of its actual size category.
	::Naturally Psionic: 2 bonus power points at 1st level.		::Naturally Psionic: 2 bonus power points at 1st level.
	::Psi-like Ability: Stomp 1/day, with manifester level ~~equl~~ to 1/2 hit dice (minimum 1st) and save DC being Charisma based.		::Psi-like Ability: Stomp 1/day, with manifester level equal to 1/2 hit dice (minimum 1st) and save DC being Charisma based.
	::[[Favored Class]]: [[Psychic Warrior]]		::[[Favored Class]]: [[Psychic Warrior]]
	::[[Level Adjustment]]: +1		::[[Level Adjustment]]: +1
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	::Level Adjustment: +1		::Level Adjustment: +1

	Eneko is a pretty terrible trade compared to normal half-giant. With a dex penalty and only being good at classes that are ''already'' proficient there's no way longbow proficiency will see use (why a half-oni gets that of all abilities isn't clear either). Whoever wrote eneko didn't realize a scaling psi-like ability is '''far''' more powerful than an equivalent spell-like ability since psi-like abilities get their manifester level in free augments: Half-Giant's stomp does 1d4 extra damage to everything in the cone ~~every~~ every effective manifester level, which is not amazing but an option for dealing with ~~hoards~~ and far better than two spells easily duplicated by magic items at mid-level.		Eneko is a pretty terrible trade compared to normal half-giant. With a dex penalty and only being good at classes that are ''already'' proficient there's no way longbow proficiency will see use (why a half-oni gets that of all abilities isn't clear either). Whoever wrote eneko didn't realize a scaling psi-like ability is '''far''' more powerful than an equivalent spell-like ability since psi-like abilities get their manifester level in free augments: Half-Giant's stomp does 1d4 extra damage to everything in the cone every effective manifester level, which is not amazing but an option for dealing with hordes and far better than two spells easily duplicated by magic items at mid-level.


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	::No level adjustment, both because Pathfinder just doesn't have the system and because Pathfinder's races are more powerful overall so it has the same balance as a normal one.		::No level adjustment, both because Pathfinder just doesn't have the system and because Pathfinder's races are more powerful overall so it has the same balance as a normal one.

	However, because the Dark Sun fluff was ''not'' OGL and the EPH didn't give any fluff of its own (they were technically a race for monsters) they have entirely original fluff. Here Half-Giants are nomads descended from a slave race (though none of them agree as to who the slavers were) that have acquired an inborn fear of captivity and servitude, even legitimate prison sentences. Unusually they don't trend to any position on the law/chaos axis as many realize the best way to stay out of jail is to avoid being chaotic.		However, because the Dark Sun fluff was ''not'' OGL and the EPH didn't give any fluff of its own (they were technically a race for monsters) they have entirely original fluff. Here Half-Giants are nomads descended from a slave race (though none of them agree as to who the slavers were) that have acquired an inborn fear of captivity and servitude, even legitimate prison sentences. Unusually they don't trend to any position on the law/chaos axis as many realize the best way to stay out of jail is to avoid being chaotic.

	==Eberron==		==Eberron==

1d4chan>The Hat That Was at 06:29, 6 May 2019

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