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2A02:1810:4E2C:A900:B87B:B2A8:7019:FCD at 19:04, 10 May 2023

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	This is, of course, really awesome fluff, but it's from [[Phil Kelly]], so that's not exactly a surprise.		This is, of course, really awesome fluff, but it's from [[Phil Kelly]], so that's not exactly a surprise.

	The model itself has a [[FATAL]]-size anal hole. Many fa/tg/uys find this absolutely silly, although it is based on an old [[Epic 40,000]] model, so...		The model itself has a [[FATAL]]-size anal hole. Many fa/tg/uys find this absolutely silly, although it is based on an old [[Epic 40,000]] model, so...

	Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt\|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].		Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt\|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].

	A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R.: Toothless if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!		A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R.: Toothless if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!
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	By default, it has a [[Hades Autocannon]], but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The [[Baleflamer]]. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the [[Baleflamer]] was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.		By default, it has a [[Hades Autocannon]], but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The [[Baleflamer]]. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the [[Baleflamer]] was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.

	It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury\|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.		It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury\|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.

	Long story short, you have a weapons platform that can threaten almost everything your opponent could throw at you (and completely ignore [[Land Raider\|the few]] [[Monolith\|exceptions]]), but was especially geared towards destroying MEQs en masse.		Long story short, you have a weapons platform that can threaten almost everything your opponent could throw at you (and completely ignore [[Land Raider\|the few]] [[Monolith\|exceptions]]), but was especially geared towards destroying MEQs en masse.
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	This did also create the retarded/awesome new tactic of putting something under the very tip of a Heldrake's wing in the movement phase to be able to vector-strike it and target it with a baleflamer. This basically means that Heldrakes now spend their days going around the place and [[Awesome\|decapitating people with their fucking wings]].		This did also create the retarded/awesome new tactic of putting something under the very tip of a Heldrake's wing in the movement phase to be able to vector-strike it and target it with a baleflamer. This basically means that Heldrakes now spend their days going around the place and [[Awesome\|decapitating people with their fucking wings]].

	Additionally, the meta has shifted quite a bit with the new edition. Everybody has their own fliers of varying effectiveness now, and any army can get (and is more or less expected to take) some sort of anti-air, the more effective of which ([[Mek_Gunz\|Ork traktor kannons]] and [[XV-88_Broadside\|Tau broadsides]]) simply laugh at those that would cower at the sign of a heldrake.		Additionally, the meta has shifted quite a bit with the new edition. Everybody has their own fliers of varying effectiveness now, and any army can get (and is more or less expected to take) some sort of anti-air, the more effective of which ([[Mek_Gunz\|Ork traktor kannons]] and [[XV-88_Broadside\|Tau broadsides]]) simply laugh at those that would cower at the sign of a heldrake.

	Even further, towards what is now the end of the 7th edition Cycle, pretty much everyone now knows exactly how to deal with flyers. Both flyers and Skyfire have proliferated to such an extreme that they created their own take on Mutually Assured Destruction. If someone brings a flyer, it'll kick ass, but not if the opponent has literally any kind of anti-air. On your opponent's side, if they have anti-air, it'll be wasted if the opponent doesn't have a flyer, but on the plus side it means all flyers are now completely useless. This has left the game now in the rather unusual state of nobody taking flyers at all, and nobody taking anti-air either.		Even further, towards what is now the end of the 7th edition Cycle, pretty much everyone now knows exactly how to deal with flyers. Both flyers and Skyfire have proliferated to such an extreme that they created their own take on Mutually Assured Destruction. If someone brings a flyer, it'll kick ass, but not if the opponent has literally any kind of anti-air. On your opponent's side, if they have anti-air, it'll be wasted if the opponent doesn't have a flyer, but on the plus side it means all flyers are now completely useless. This has left the game now in the rather unusual state of nobody taking flyers at all, and nobody taking anti-air either.

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	[[Image:Heldrake art.jpg\|350px\|thumb\|right\|Fuck you, I'm a dragon!]]		[[Image:Heldrake art.jpg\|350px\|thumb\|right\|Fuck you, I'm a dragon!]]

2A02:8071:4488:C8C0:ECC1:315F:C126:8E0 at 09:12, 14 November 2022

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2A02:8071:22B2:E900:896F:1BAC:2BFB:18FA at 19:33, 28 August 2021

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	Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt\|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].		Crunch-wise, Heldrakes were hilariously overpowered (nowadays considered merely pretty good), in a book that is generally pretty weak. In fact, Heldrakes are considered pretty much the only thing keeping Chaos Marines competitive nowadays. Fielding more than one (sometimes even only one) Heldrake in a game is the fastest way to have your opponent [[Butthurt\|bitch about the only thing in your Codex that can keep you on the board]] and have him [[rage]]quit. If you field three or more you automatically are [[That Guy]].

	A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R~~, toothless~~ if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!		A Heldrake also appears in C. Z. Dunn's novel ''Pandorax'', where it shrugs off at least sixteen direct missile hits, three point-blank twin-linked lascannons, and about a hundred tons of falling rocks. As if the things didn't have enough durability (see below) without an extra helping of plot armor. T.L.D.R.: Toothless if he was a demon who wanted to KILL and BURN!

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19 Months of Cheese

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	[[File:Tumblr nnrqjzAyKm1si96eio3 400.jpg\|thumb\|350px\|left\|It's terrifying on the ground, too.]]		[[File:Tumblr nnrqjzAyKm1si96eio3 400.jpg\|thumb\|350px\|left\|It's terrifying on the ground, too.]]
	By default, it has a Hades Autocannon, but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The Baleflamer. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the Baleflamer was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.		By default, it has a [[Hades Autocannon]], but nobody took it because it could also get a cheap yet amazing weapon called The [[Baleflamer]]. Good lord, just the Baleflamer! S6 AP3 Torrent, a weapon designed specifically for killing MEQs that coincidentally doesn't care about the bird's lackluster ballistics skill. Did we mention the [[Baleflamer]] was considered turret-mounted? Yes, it didn't matter where you actually positioned this thing, it could fire in any direction, letting the Heldrake deliver miss-free, cover-ignoring, multi-model devastation without even paying attention to where it's going.

	It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury\|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.		It could also Vector Strike D3+1 times at S7 AP3 Ignores Cover, just by moving over you, so MEQs (remember, Vector Strike became AP2 in 7th ed, which also reduced the number of hits to one against ground targets) and vehicles aren't safe either. And as a flier it can Vector Strike pretty far in a single turn, picking and choosing whatever it wanted, and always hit side armor on S7, so any attempt at [[Fish of Fury\|clever positioning]] was basically wasted.