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Added section on the WoW D20 hobgoblins. If there's anything about them existing in the vidya canon, please add.

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 Their stats are unchanged from 3E, except they lose level adjustment and, per [[Pathfinder]]'s changes to the skill system, their move silently bonus is now a bonus to Stealth. They have options to trade away this bonus for a few things, and one thing to trade their darkvision for, but in the end the only reason to bother with playing one is the way that they coincidentally have the perfect ability scores for a [[Kineticist]].
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	Being made into a playable race in [[Age of Sigmar Roleplay]] has introduced a more opportunistic angle to the Hobgrots. While just as greedy as any normal goblin, the Hobgrots are more enterprising and especially capable bargainers. They seemingly have a better grasp of commerce, enough so that they have a compulsion to trade up their goods for more valuable treasures.		Being made into a playable race in [[Age of Sigmar Roleplay]] has introduced a more opportunistic angle to the Hobgrots. While just as greedy as any normal goblin, the Hobgrots are more enterprising and especially capable bargainers. They seemingly have a better grasp of commerce, enough so that they have a compulsion to trade up their goods for more valuable treasures.


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	==Monstergirls?==		==Monstergirls?==

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	==Warhammer Fantasy==		==Warhammer Fantasy==
	The Hobgoblins of Warhammer Fantasy are backstabbing, selfish, and treasonous to the point even normal goblins seem chill compared to them. So much so that they evolved a bony plate in their back to ward off backstabbing. Their culture is vaguely Mongol Horde inspired: riding giant wolves and living in nomadic caravans along the Eastern Steppes where they regularly torment [[Grand Cathay]]. Their leader, Hobgobla Khan, was the reason the Cathayan Great Bastion was built. Hobgoblins are loathed by the other Greenskins for siding with their Chaos Dwarf Masters in the Greenskin Slave Rebellion of Zharr-Naggrund, which is why you never see the little buggers beyond the Dark Lands.		The Hobgoblins of Warhammer Fantasy are backstabbing, selfish, and treasonous to the point even normal goblins seem chill compared to them. So much so that they evolved a bony plate in their back to ward off backstabbing. Their culture is vaguely Mongol Horde inspired: riding giant wolves and living in nomadic caravans along the Eastern Steppes where they regularly torment [[Grand Cathay]]. Their leader, [[Hobgobla Khan]], was the reason the Cathayan Great Bastion was built. Hobgoblins are loathed by the other Greenskins for siding with their Chaos Dwarf Masters in the Greenskin Slave Rebellion of Zharr-Naggrund, which is why you never see the little buggers beyond the Dark Lands.

	Now in Age of Sigmar, the Hobgoblins (renamed Hobgrots) follow the swamp-dwelling sub-faction of the Orruks Warclans called the Kruleboyz, Orcs that are more Mork than Gork in thinking. Hobgrots are bigger than the usual grots (goblins), and even though they do follow the Kruelboyz, they are more of a middle-man in a selfish tripartite symbiosis between the Kruleboyz, themselves and a mysterious clan of [[Chaos Dwarfs\|Chaos Duardin]]. They fight using crude sulphuric stick grenades that they pocketed from their stunty overlords. Tribes of Hobgrots are fiercely protective of each other, so most Kruleboyz don't bully them as much as other grots, and they may form small empires in wastelands. Also, they're one of the few species of Humanoid Greenskins (non-Squigs) who aren't actually Green. Their skin in official model paints is depicted as being sallow yellow. This is ironic, due to them no longer looking like racial stereotypes of asians.		Now in Age of Sigmar, the Hobgoblins (renamed Hobgrots) follow the swamp-dwelling sub-faction of the Orruks Warclans called the Kruleboyz, Orcs that are more Mork than Gork in thinking. Hobgrots are bigger than the usual grots (goblins), and even though they do follow the Kruelboyz, they are more of a middle-man in a selfish tripartite symbiosis between the Kruleboyz, themselves and a mysterious clan of [[Chaos Dwarfs\|Chaos Duardin]]. They fight using crude sulphuric stick grenades that they pocketed from their stunty overlords. Tribes of Hobgrots are fiercely protective of each other, so most Kruleboyz don't bully them as much as other grots, and they may form small empires in wastelands. Also, they're one of the few species of Humanoid Greenskins (non-Squigs) who aren't actually Green. Their skin in official model paints is depicted as being sallow yellow. This is ironic, due to them no longer looking like racial stereotypes of asians.

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	Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.		Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.

	Their stats are unchanged from 3E, except they lose level adjustment and, per [[Pathfinder]]'s changes to the skill system, their move silently bonus is now a bonus to Stealth. They have options to trade away this bonus for a few things, and one thing to trade their darkvision for, but in the end the only reason to bother with playing one is they ~~alone~~ have the perfect ability scores for a [[Kineticist]].		Their stats are unchanged from 3E, except they lose level adjustment and, per [[Pathfinder]]'s changes to the skill system, their move silently bonus is now a bonus to Stealth. They have options to trade away this bonus for a few things, and one thing to trade their darkvision for, but in the end the only reason to bother with playing one is the way that they coincidentally have the perfect ability scores for a [[Kineticist]].

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	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==
	On the world of [[Golarion]], hobgoblins are the result of an ancient attempt at [[fleshcrafting]] ordinary [[goblin]]s into bigger, stronger, and smarter forms that could then be used as expendable soldiers to defeat the [[elves]]. The elves managed to stop their creators before they could install controls, but not in time to keep them from hating elves instinctively or from seeking to conquer and destroy. Nice going, pointy-ears. Since they hate elves, they hate arcane magic ~~and~~ even [[Sorcerer]]s are unheard of among them. They make up for this with [[Alchemist]]s, [[Oni\|Ja Noi]] allies, the occasional devil-worshiping shaman/[[Cleric]], and engineers (the kind that makes mundane siege engines and fortifications rather than steampunk).		On the world of [[Golarion]], hobgoblins are the result of an ancient attempt at [[fleshcrafting]] ordinary [[goblin]]s into bigger, stronger, and smarter forms that could then be used as expendable soldiers to defeat the [[elves]]. The elves managed to stop their creators before they could install controls, but not in time to keep them from hating elves instinctively or from seeking to conquer and destroy. Nice going, pointy-ears. Since they hate elves, they hate arcane magic as well, to the point even [[Sorcerer]]s are unheard of among them. They make up for this with [[Alchemist]]s, [[Oni\|Ja Noi]] allies, the occasional devil-worshiping shaman/[[Cleric]], and engineers (the kind that makes mundane siege engines and fortifications rather than steampunk).

	Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.		Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.

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	==Pathfinder==		==Pathfinder==
	On the world of [[Golarion]], hobgoblins are the result of an ancient attempt at [[fleshcrafting]] ordinary [[goblin]]s into bigger, stronger and smarter forms that could then be used as expendable soldiers to defeat the [[elves]]. The elves managed to stop their creators before they could install controls, but not in time to keep them from hating elves instinctively or from seeking to conquer and destroy. Nice going, pointy-ears. Since they hate elves, they hate arcane magic and even [[Sorcerer]]s are unheard of among them. They make up for this with [[Alchemist]]s, [[Oni\|Ja Noi]] allies, the occasional devil-worshiping shaman/[[Cleric]], and engineers (the kind that makes mundane siege engines and fortifications rather than steampunk).		On the world of [[Golarion]], hobgoblins are the result of an ancient attempt at [[fleshcrafting]] ordinary [[goblin]]s into bigger, stronger, and smarter forms that could then be used as expendable soldiers to defeat the [[elves]]. The elves managed to stop their creators before they could install controls, but not in time to keep them from hating elves instinctively or from seeking to conquer and destroy. Nice going, pointy-ears. Since they hate elves, they hate arcane magic and even [[Sorcerer]]s are unheard of among them. They make up for this with [[Alchemist]]s, [[Oni\|Ja Noi]] allies, the occasional devil-worshiping shaman/[[Cleric]], and engineers (the kind that makes mundane siege engines and fortifications rather than steampunk).

	Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.		Golarion hobgoblins are most notable because they're supposed to be completely hairless... but, as Paizo began using them more frequently, hobgoblins with hair became increasingly common in their artwork. Rather than admit that this was just a result of different artists ignoring that lore, Paizo retconned that Golarion hobgobs are hairless... but scalp humanoid foes they defeat and make wigs out of their hair, which they wear as symbols of prowess and honor.

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	For those of you who follow Tolkien, the traits of the [[Lord of the Rings]] [[Orc]]s were actually split between Dungeons and Dragons' [[Orc]]s and Hobgoblins. D&D Orcs are reminiscent of the cave-dwelling ambushers Bilbo met in the Misty Mountains or the hordes that Sauron used to attack Gondor, while D&D Hobgoblins are more like Saruman's Uruk-hai.		For those of you who follow Tolkien, the traits of the [[Lord of the Rings]] [[Orc]]s were actually split between Dungeons and Dragons' [[Orc]]s and Hobgoblins. D&D Orcs are reminiscent of the cave-dwelling ambushers Bilbo met in the Misty Mountains or the hordes that Sauron used to attack Gondor, while D&D Hobgoblins are more like Saruman's Uruk-hai.

	Perhaps to try and reinforce the split, unlike [[orc]]s, hobgoblins are usually not suggested to be capable of interbreeding with other races... at least, not since [[thoul]]s stopped being a thing. ~~But,~~ the [[Kingdoms of Kalamar]] setting for 3rd edition decided to just say "fuck it" to that noise, introducing the Sil-karg, or [[Half-Hobgoblin]], to go alongside the [[Half-Orc]].		Perhaps to try and reinforce the split, unlike [[orc]]s, hobgoblins are usually not suggested to be capable of interbreeding with other races... at least, not since [[thoul]]s stopped being a thing. Then the [[Kingdoms of Kalamar]] setting for 3rd edition decided to just say "fuck it" to that noise, introducing the Sil-karg, or [[Half-Hobgoblin]], to go alongside the [[Half-Orc]].

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	===Post-Tasha's===		===Post-Tasha's===
	The ''Folk of the Feywild'' [[Unearthed Arcana]] article, which would later be published in ''Mordekainen's Monsters of the Multiverse'', saw a drastic rewrite for the Hobgoblins, and this one was considerably...lighter compared to the original writeup, turning them more fey-like but also making them less of an auto-take. This also makes Hobgoblins add more uses to the oft-ignored Help action.		The ''Folk of the Feywild'' [[Unearthed Arcana]] article, which would later be published in ''Mordekainen's Monsters of the Multiverse'', saw a drastic rewrite for the Hobgoblins, and this one was considerably...lighter compared to the original writeup, turning them more fey-like but also making them less of an auto-take. This also makes Hobgoblins add more uses to the oft-ignored Help action.

	Part of this is that they represent the original lore about them being originally Fey who were subjugated into soldiers. This also makes more of an effort to tie in the magic of reciprocity, that is the spirit of giving and receiving.		Part of this is that they represent the original lore about them being originally Fey who were subjugated into soldiers. This also makes more of an effort to tie in the magic of reciprocity, that is the spirit of giving and receiving.
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	===Eberron===		===Eberron===
	Keith Baker later introduced further hobgoblin subraces in ''Exploring Eberron'', mostly for the Dhakaani culture of ancient goblinoids reemerging in secret after locking themselves away from the Age of Dust deep beneath the Earth, ''[[Fallout]]'' style. They are specifically known as the Dhakaani ghaal’dar (mighty folk), and are the leadership caste of their society. They also have different subraces for different specializations:		Keith Baker later introduced further hobgoblin subraces in ''Exploring Eberron'', mostly for the Dhakaani culture of ancient goblinoids reemerging in secret after locking themselves away from the Age of Dust deep beneath the Earth, ''[[Fallout]]'' style. They are specifically known as the Dhakaani ghaal’dar (mighty folk), and are the leadership caste of their society. They also have different subraces for different specializations:

	<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="100%"> Click "Expand" to see the statblock.		<div class="toccolours mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" style="100%"> Click "Expand" to see the statblock.
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	::''Speed'': Your base walking speed is 30 feet.		::''Speed'': Your base walking speed is 30 feet.
	::''Darkvision'': You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can’t discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.		::''Darkvision'': You can see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light. You can’t discern color in darkness, only shades of gray.
	::''Discipline'': You have advantage on saving throws against being charmed.		::''Discipline'': You have advantage on saving throws against being charmed.
	::''Languages'': You can speak, read, and write Common and Goblin.		::''Languages'': You can speak, read, and write Common and Goblin.
	::''Subrace'': Within the Dhakaani caste system, young ghaal’dar are trained to fulfill one of two roles. Guides are diplomats and scholars, while soldiers are devoted to war. Choose a subrace for your ghaal’dar character.		::''Subrace'': Within the Dhakaani caste system, young ghaal’dar are trained to fulfill one of two roles. Guides are diplomats and scholars, while soldiers are devoted to war. Choose a subrace for your ghaal’dar character.
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	::::''Lead By Example'': If you fail an ability check or saving throw, you can gain a bonus to the roll equal to the number of allies you can see within 30 feet of you (maximum bonus of +5). Once you use this trait, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.		::::''Lead By Example'': If you fail an ability check or saving throw, you can gain a bonus to the roll equal to the number of allies you can see within 30 feet of you (maximum bonus of +5). Once you use this trait, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.
	::::''The Guiding Arts'': You have proficiency in two of the following skills of your choice: History, Medicine, Performance, or Persuasion.		::::''The Guiding Arts'': You have proficiency in two of the following skills of your choice: History, Medicine, Performance, or Persuasion.
	:::'''Soldier:''' As a soldier, you’ve drilled in the art of war since childhood. Ability Score Increase.		:::'''Soldier:''' As a soldier, you’ve drilled in the art of war since childhood. Ability Score Increase.
	::::''Ability Score Increase'': Either your Dexterity or Strength score increases by 1 (your choice).		::::''Ability Score Increase'': Either your Dexterity or Strength score increases by 1 (your choice).
	::::''Strength in Unity'': If you miss with an attack roll or fail a saving throw, you can gain a bonus to the roll equal to the number of allies you can see within 30 feet of you (Maximum bonus of +5). Once you use this trait, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.		::::''Strength in Unity'': If you miss with an attack roll or fail a saving throw, you can gain a bonus to the roll equal to the number of allies you can see within 30 feet of you (Maximum bonus of +5). Once you use this trait, you can’t use it again until you finish a short or long rest.
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	==Warhammer Fantasy==		==Warhammer Fantasy==
	The Hobgoblins of Warhammer Fantasy are backstabbing, selfish, and treasonous to the point even normal goblins seem chill compared to them. So much so that they evolved a bony plate in their back to ward off backstabbing. Their culture is vaguely Mongol Horde inspired: riding giant wolves and living in nomadic caravans along the Eastern Steppes where they regularly torment [[Grand Cathay]]. Their leader, [[Hobgobla Khan]], was the reason the Cathayan Great Bastion was built. Hobgoblins are loathed by the other Greenskins for siding with their Chaos Dwarf Masters in the Greenskin Slave Rebellion of Zharr-Naggrund, which is why you never see the little buggers beyond the Dark Lands.		The Hobgoblins of Warhammer Fantasy are backstabbing, selfish, and treasonous to the point even normal goblins seem chill compared to them. So much so that they evolved a bony plate in their back to ward off backstabbing. Their culture is vaguely Mongol Horde inspired: riding giant wolves and living in nomadic caravans along the Eastern Steppes where they regularly torment [[Grand Cathay]]. Their leader, [[Hobgobla Khan]], was the reason the Cathayan Great Bastion was built. Hobgoblins are loathed by the other Greenskins for siding with their Chaos Dwarf Masters in the Greenskin Slave Rebellion of Zharr-Naggrund, which is why you never see the little buggers beyond the Dark Lands.

	Now in Age of Sigmar, the Hobgoblins (renamed Hobgrots) follow the swamp-dwelling sub-faction of the Orruks Warclans called the Kruleboyz, Orcs that are more Mork than Gork in thinking. Hobgrots are bigger than the usual grots (goblins), and even though they do follow the Kruelboyz, they are more of a middle-man in a selfish tripartite symbiosis between the Kruleboyz, themselves and a mysterious clan of [[Chaos Dwarfs\|Chaos Duardin]]. They fight using crude sulphuric stick grenades that they pocketed from their stunty overlords. Tribes of Hobgrots are fiercely protective of each other, so most Kruleboyz don't bully them as much as other grots, and they may form small empires in wastelands. Also, they're one of the few species of Humanoid Greenskins (non-Squigs) who aren't actually Green. Their skin in official model paints is depicted as being sallow yellow. This is ironic, due to them no longer looking like racial stereotypes of asians.		Now in Age of Sigmar, the Hobgoblins (renamed Hobgrots) follow the swamp-dwelling sub-faction of the Orruks Warclans called the Kruleboyz, Orcs that are more Mork than Gork in thinking. Hobgrots are bigger than the usual grots (goblins), and even though they do follow the Kruelboyz, they are more of a middle-man in a selfish tripartite symbiosis between the Kruleboyz, themselves and a mysterious clan of [[Chaos Dwarfs\|Chaos Duardin]]. They fight using crude sulphuric stick grenades that they pocketed from their stunty overlords. Tribes of Hobgrots are fiercely protective of each other, so most Kruleboyz don't bully them as much as other grots, and they may form small empires in wastelands. Also, they're one of the few species of Humanoid Greenskins (non-Squigs) who aren't actually Green. Their skin in official model paints is depicted as being sallow yellow. This is ironic, due to them no longer looking like racial stereotypes of asians.