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	[[File:Past-Horus-Primarchs-.jpeg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Young Horus in all his bald glory (looking weirdly like Benito Mussolini crossed with a WWE wrestler).]]		[[File:Past-Horus-Primarchs-.jpeg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Young Horus in all his bald glory (looking weirdly like Benito Mussolini crossed with a WWE wrestler).]]
	Once the most favoured son of his father the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]], he began to resent his father's treatment of him and other Primarchs, and believing that the Emperor's secret plan was to become a god using his own Primarch sons as a tool (when in fact all this is [[Just as planned\|due to the lies]] of a [[Lorgar\|certain religious zealot]]), eventually turned to [[Chaos]]. If you really need to be told any of this, what in the actual fuck are you doing on /tg/ in the first place? This is such common knowledge, that the outlines of the Horus Heresy and every bad ass taking part in it, are more or less [[Dwarf Fortress\|engraved]] in the mind of every /tg/ reader. Much like the Emperor being crippled and the Imperium devolving into a bureaucratic [[grimdark]] empire, the death of Horus and the placement of [[Abaddon]] as the ~~most influential~~ Chaos champion ~~ever~~, turned the Traitor legions from a genocidal force bent on utter domination for the glory of Chaos into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain organization. Also his armour made him look like an egg. A very evil egg.		Once the most favoured son of his father the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]], he began to resent his father's treatment of him and other Primarchs, and believing that the Emperor's secret plan was to become a god using his own Primarch sons as a tool (when in fact all this is [[Just as planned\|due to the lies]] of a [[Lorgar\|certain religious zealot]]), eventually turned to [[Chaos]]. Much like the Emperor being crippled and the Imperium devolving into a bureaucratic [[grimdark]] empire, the death of Horus and the placement of [[Abaddon]] as the Chaos champion, turned the Traitor legions from a genocidal force bent on utter domination for the glory of Chaos into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain organization. Also his armour made him look like an egg. A very evil egg.

	It is argued that Horus was ~~not actually evil but~~ possessed by the Chaos Gods or that he was a victim of [[Lorgar]], who is officially labeled as "The First Heretic." However, he was still [[Eldrad\|a massive dick]]. ~~Hence the common saying in the post-Heresy Imperium: ''"Of all the mighty Primarchs, Horus sure was a dick."''~~		It is argued that Horus was possessed by the Chaos Gods or that he was a victim of [[Lorgar]], who is officially labeled as "The First Heretic." However, he was still [[Eldrad\|a massive dick]].

	But long story short, the Imperium got into this fucked up state because this guy had daddy issues (honestly, who didn't?), he got scammed by [[Erebus\|religious nutjobs]], and [[Grimdark\|because the Chaos Gods showed him horrific visions of the future, supposedly under the Emperor's rule]], all while conveniently leaving out the fact that it would be his own efforts to avert said future that would cause it in the first place. Lol-irony. They did show him that the Emperor was planning to discard him and the other rest of the Space Marines when their usefulness ended, which totally contradicts previous Horus Heresy novels where the chambers the primarchs were supposed to live in once the Crusade ended were depicted. Why would you build large apartments for your "sons" if you really did not give a rat's ass about them? Or was the EMPRA intending on luring them into their respective apartment and then strangle them to death? Why go through all the effort when his psychic might was enough to force Lorgar to kneel (causing a small brain hemorrhage as evidenced by blood tricking out of his nose. See "The First Heretic)? He could have just BLAMMED them all Thunder Warrior style with all his psychic prowess and shit. Either way, you know what they say- the best lies contain a grain of truth. The Chaos Gods did show Horus the future he would create which seemed to prove that the EMPRA had planned his own ascension all along (so he obviously must enjoy to be chilling on the couch as a decomposing corpse these days).		But long story short, the Imperium got into this fucked up state because this guy had daddy issues (honestly, who didn't?), he got scammed by [[Erebus\|religious nutjobs]], and [[Grimdark\|because the Chaos Gods showed him horrific visions of the future, supposedly under the Emperor's rule]], all while conveniently leaving out the fact that it would be his own efforts to avert said future that would cause it in the first place. Lol-irony. They did show him that the Emperor was planning to discard him and the other rest of the Space Marines when their usefulness ended, which totally contradicts previous Horus Heresy novels where the chambers the primarchs were supposed to live in once the Crusade ended were depicted. Why would you build large apartments for your "sons" if you really did not give a rat's ass about them? Or was the EMPRA intending on luring them into their respective apartment and then strangle them to death? Why go through all the effort when his psychic might was enough to force Lorgar to kneel (causing a small brain hemorrhage as evidenced by blood tricking out of his nose. See "The First Heretic)? He could have just BLAMMED them all Thunder Warrior style with all his psychic prowess and shit. Either way, you know what they say- the best lies contain a grain of truth. The Chaos Gods did show Horus the future he would create which seemed to prove that the EMPRA had planned his own ascension all along (so he obviously must enjoy to be chilling on the couch as a decomposing corpse these days).

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	[[File:Horus vs The Emperor.jpg\|600px\|thumb\|right\|If this reminds you of every Baroque and/or Christianity-related painting from the Renaissance up until the 19th Century, good. Also note how the Custodes are Dark Silver and wearing Pickelhauben (That's because these are Sagittarum Guard).]]		[[File:Horus vs The Emperor.jpg\|600px\|thumb\|right\|If this reminds you of every Baroque and/or Christianity-related painting from the Renaissance up until the 19th Century, good. Also note how the Custodes are Dark Silver and wearing Pickelhauben (That's because these are Sagittarum Guard).]]
	Recent fluff from the book ''Vengeful Spirit'' has Horus visiting the same gate to the Warp on Molech that the [[Emperor]] used to get some of his powers. While only seconds pass in the Materium, Horus spends what is basically implied to be an eternity inside the Warp battling rival Daemon Princes, amassing billions of warp-creature minions, and wrecking shit. In the end he somehow gains the same powers that the Emperor received to create the Primarchs, but Horus gets them in a "legit" way (as far as the Ruinous Powers are concerned) by passing their near constant tests through sheer force of will, where the Emperor just took what he wanted. Refusing to become a slave to the Ruinous Powers (or perhaps that's what the Chaos Gods wanted him to think) he leaves his Warp-empire to return to his rebellion in the Materium. Horus' time inside the Warp was so long that he, a fully grown Primarch, had visibly aged. However with his new psychic hack abilities he disguises his over-the-hill face and still maintains his youthful appearance. Apparently the Emperor does the same trick. This was basically a big retcon by Black Library who previously explained Horus being able to fight toe-to-toe with the Big E as having all four Chaos Gods channel their powers into him at once.		Recent fluff from the book ''Vengeful Spirit'' has Horus visiting the same gate to the Warp on Molech that the [[Emperor]] used to get some of his powers. While only seconds pass in the Materium, Horus spends what is basically implied to be an eternity inside the Warp battling rival Daemon Princes, amassing billions of warp-creature minions, and wrecking shit. In the end he somehow gains the same powers that the Emperor received to create the Primarchs, but Horus gets them in a "legit" way (as far as the Ruinous Powers are concerned) by passing their near constant tests through sheer force of will, where the Emperor just took what he wanted. Refusing to become a slave to the Ruinous Powers (or perhaps that's what the Chaos Gods wanted him to think) he leaves his Warp-empire to return to his rebellion in the Materium. Horus' time inside the Warp was so long that he, a fully grown Primarch, had visibly aged (or maybe it was, y'know, ''the Warp energies'' affecting him because no duh). However with his new psychic hack abilities he disguises his over-the-hill face and still maintains his youthful appearance. Apparently the Emperor does the same trick. This was basically a big retcon by Black Library who previously explained Horus being able to fight toe-to-toe with the Big E as having all four Chaos Gods channel their powers into him at once.

	It's important to explore this clusterfuck of nonsense to make sense of the lore before one comes to the rubbish conclusion that the Emperor only became god-like after Molech. This is balls-deep nonsense. This is what Horus (who is himself not in any way whatsoever a good source for reliable information regarding Chaos) thinks he knows from his own narrow/skewed/manipulated point of view. The more commonly held belief is that, as with the vision he received from the [[Erebus\|Great Fuckhead Himself]], he was misled. That the Emperor, a being capable of trapping and fighting a C'Tan (that as it turned out had been tired out prior by another warp entity... oops) during the Middle Ages, was always as powerful as He has been portrayed. It is explained that the Primarchs are more than just flesh and bone, and that each of them has a fraction of His personality in them that they themselves embody. [[Ferrus Manus]]' rather dramatic death highlights that inside Primarchs lies a great deal of energy. Now to the heart of it - Molech. Why would a being as powerful as the Emperor, who has to combat 4 monstrously powerful otherworldly entities whilst maintaining a beacon anywhere he goes, soul bound psykers and fight throughout the Great Crusade, split His formidable power 20 times into 20 beings? He wouldn't, he'd grab extra power to do so. That was Molech - a source and gateway to a wellspring of power claimed by Chaos for its use alone. A source the Emperor broke into and stole/took/tricked for His Primarch Project. Using the additional power, He crafted, with His scientific mastery, 20 genetically engineered super hosts. In the same way that god-aligned daemons are formed by splitting a portion off the God itself, He used each portion of power as a blank mold, investing them with a sliver of His personality and allowing the power to coalesce around it to form a soul/Emperor-Greater Daemon. That pseudo-daemon is then implanted in a host that can never die or degrade due to age, perfectly tailored to hold it. This explains why each Primarch radiates an aura of awe and magnificence. Horus didn't become as powerful as the Emperor, he retrieved the power that made himself and all his brothers and had it infused into himself. While it appears he has lost a significant chunk of this power (and a piece of his soul) after his duel with Leman Russ in the [[Battle of Trisolian]], the Ruinous Powers soon after began to mainline him with warp energy to the point where he began to bulge at the seams, so by the onset of the [[Siege of Terra]] he resembled something in between walking cancerous tumor growth amalgamation and juicing steroid junkie. Whether or not he will manage to be a match for the Emperor as yet remains to be seen. That said, we know who won the duel.		It's important to explore this clusterfuck of nonsense to make sense of the lore before one comes to the rubbish conclusion that the Emperor only became god-like after Molech. This is balls-deep nonsense. This is what Horus (who is himself not in any way whatsoever a good source for reliable information regarding Chaos) thinks he knows from his own narrow/skewed/manipulated point of view. The more commonly held belief is that, as with the vision he received from the [[Erebus\|Great Fuckhead Himself]], he was misled. That the Emperor, a being capable of trapping and fighting a C'Tan (that as it turned out had been tired out prior by another warp entity... oops) during the Middle Ages, was always as powerful as He has been portrayed. It is explained that the Primarchs are more than just flesh and bone, and that each of them has a fraction of His personality in them that they themselves embody. [[Ferrus Manus]]' rather dramatic death highlights that inside Primarchs lies a great deal of energy. Now to the heart of it - Molech. Why would a being as powerful as the Emperor, who has to combat 4 monstrously powerful otherworldly entities whilst maintaining a beacon anywhere he goes, soul bound psykers and fight throughout the Great Crusade, split His formidable power 20 times into 20 beings? He wouldn't, he'd grab extra power to do so. That was Molech - a source and gateway to a wellspring of power claimed by Chaos for its use alone. A source the Emperor broke into and stole/took/tricked for His Primarch Project. Using the additional power, He crafted, with His scientific mastery, 20 genetically engineered super hosts. In the same way that god-aligned daemons are formed by splitting a portion off the God itself, He used each portion of power as a blank mold, investing them with a sliver of His personality and allowing the power to coalesce around it to form a soul/Emperor-Greater Daemon. That pseudo-daemon is then implanted in a host that can never die or degrade due to age, perfectly tailored to hold it. This explains why each Primarch radiates an aura of awe and magnificence. Horus didn't become as powerful as the Emperor, he retrieved the power that made himself and all his brothers and had it infused into himself. While it appears he has lost a significant chunk of this power (and a piece of his soul) after his duel with Leman Russ in the [[Battle of Trisolian]], the Ruinous Powers soon after began to mainline him with warp energy to the point where he began to bulge at the seams, so by the onset of the [[Siege of Terra]] he resembled something in between walking cancerous tumor growth amalgamation and juicing steroid junkie. Whether or not he will manage to be a match for the Emperor as yet remains to be seen. That said, we know who won the duel.

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	*All hits from either shooting or close combat are allocated by the Primarch's controlling player. These hits are kept in a separate wound pool.		*All hits from either shooting or close combat are allocated by the Primarch's controlling player. These hits are kept in a separate wound pool.

	[[file:HorusAscended.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|~~The things the dark powers do to a man~~...]]		[[file:HorusAscended.jpg\|thumbnail\|right\|Horus. Bald. Fewlish.]]
	Optionally, Horus can be upgraded to '''Horus Ascended''' for an extra 400 (!) points, representing his empowerment by Chaos near the end of the Horus Heresy. This grants him a flat boost to his Strength, Toughness and Wounds, the Corrupted unit subtype (which in practice means he gets ''Fear (1)'' since its other effects are either already covered or negated by the Primarch rules), ''Feel No Pain (4+)'', and ''Rage (3+)''. He also gets even more special rules:		Optionally, Horus can be upgraded to '''Horus Ascended''' for an extra 400 (!) points, representing his empowerment by Chaos near the end of the Horus Heresy. This grants him a flat boost to his Strength, Toughness and Wounds, the Corrupted unit subtype (which in practice means he gets ''Fear (1)'' since its other effects are either already covered or negated by the Primarch rules), ''Feel No Pain (4+)'', and ''Rage (3+)''. He also gets even more special rules:

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	Newest fluff heavily suggests that Chaos Gods' plan from the very beginning was for Horus to lose, but only barely. Apparently the Gods knew about the [[Cabal]]'s plans and made sure they would get the outcome of a fucked up Imperium that lasts for millennia, feeding them with all the negative emotions they needed, rather than an Imperium of Chaos which would go to shit in a few centuries of infighting, taking humanity and gods themselves with it. It does make sense that at least Khorne and Nurgle would appreciate a bloody and decaying Imperium. One daemon even referred to Horus as "sacrificial lamb" needed to stop the Imperium from turning into a prosperous empire of reason, and kickstart the [[Long War]]. (Though Eldrad disagrees and John Grammaticus has seen Horus actually won the Heresy and Chaos was not only fine but enjoying the aftermath) The Emperor may have developed a counter-plan that caused the Chaos Gods to scream in frustration in ''The Outcast Dead'' but that book is fairly trippy. Later still, Lorgar hinted that the Chaos Gods were displeased with the Warmaster's unwillingness to become a slave to Chaos and that his ultimate defeat in the duel with the Emperor would be a punishment for his refusal to surrender his will to them.		Newest fluff heavily suggests that Chaos Gods' plan from the very beginning was for Horus to lose, but only barely. Apparently the Gods knew about the [[Cabal]]'s plans and made sure they would get the outcome of a fucked up Imperium that lasts for millennia, feeding them with all the negative emotions they needed, rather than an Imperium of Chaos which would go to shit in a few centuries of infighting, taking humanity and gods themselves with it. It does make sense that at least Khorne and Nurgle would appreciate a bloody and decaying Imperium. One daemon even referred to Horus as "sacrificial lamb" needed to stop the Imperium from turning into a prosperous empire of reason, and kickstart the [[Long War]]. (Though Eldrad disagrees and John Grammaticus has seen Horus actually won the Heresy and Chaos was not only fine but enjoying the aftermath) The Emperor may have developed a counter-plan that caused the Chaos Gods to scream in frustration in ''The Outcast Dead'' but that book is fairly trippy. Later still, Lorgar hinted that the Chaos Gods were displeased with the Warmaster's unwillingness to become a slave to Chaos and that his ultimate defeat in the duel with the Emperor would be a punishment for his refusal to surrender his will to them.

	By the time of the Siege of Terra, his body and mind were outright falling apart as the Chaos Gods' power was becoming too much to handle, forcing Abaddon to do much of the actual work in leading the Traitor Legions while Horus was either comatose or too insane to form a coherent battle strategy. Not coincidentally, this was the point where Abaddon started viewing his gene-father with increasing contempt (and the Chaos Gods are outright stated to have begun grooming him to be their new Warmaster to replace Horus during the Siege of Terra, so they knew what they were doing).		By the time of the Siege of Terra, his body and mind were outright falling apart as the Chaos Gods' power was becoming too much to handle, forcing Abaddon to do much of the actual work in leading the Traitor Legions while Horus was either comatose or too insane to form a coherent battle strategy. Not coincidentally, this was the point where Abaddon started viewing his gene-father with increasing contempt (and the Chaos Gods are outright stated to have begun grooming him to be their new Warmaster to replace Horus during the Siege of Terra, so they knew what they were doing). Horus himself is implied to be planning to use the destruction of the Imperium to fuel his ascension to godhood as the being called "the Dark King".

	Long after the Scouring, Fabius Bile succeeded in creating a stable clone of a pre-Molech Horus, who utterly wrecked a huge boarding party of traitor marines before being fucking impaled through the chest with his own talon by Abbadon. The clone was capable of speech and seemed to possess a semblance of memory from its twin brother's past (calling Abbadon its "son", just before being turned into a kebab). It's unknown why it was so hostile to other Astartes or what degree of control Fabius had over it. Several prominent marines were adamant that such an abomination (cloned Astartes apparently being the closest thing to taboo you can get for even a traitor marine) would not be Horus in any way, because his soul was annihilated by the Emperor.		Long after the Scouring, Fabius Bile succeeded in creating a stable clone of a pre-Molech Horus, who utterly wrecked a huge boarding party of traitor marines before being fucking impaled through the chest with his own talon by Abbadon. The clone was capable of speech and seemed to possess a semblance of memory from its twin brother's past (calling Abbadon its "son", just before being turned into a kebab). It's unknown why it was so hostile to other Astartes or what degree of control Fabius had over it. Several prominent marines were adamant that such an abomination (cloned Astartes apparently being the closest thing to taboo you can get for even a traitor marine) would not be Horus in any way, because his soul was annihilated by the Emperor.

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	{{Topquote\|'''Let the galaxy burn.'''\|Horus Lupercal, ruining everything for everyone for ever}}		{{Topquote\|'''Let the galaxy burn.'''\|Horus Lupercal, ruining everything for everyone for ever}}
	{{Topquote\|Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.\|Satan in John Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.}}		{{Topquote\|Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.\|Satan in John Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.}}
			{{Topquote\|When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.\|George R.R. Martin}}
	{{Topquote\|[[Primarch\|Angels]] are bright still, though the brightest [[Chaos\|fell]].\|William Shakespeare}}		{{Topquote\|[[Primarch\|Angels]] are bright still, though the brightest [[Chaos\|fell]].\|William Shakespeare}}
	'''Horus wah Daddy, I didn’t get enough hugs Lupercal, The Breaker of Tyrants, The Warmaster, The Arch-Traitor, That Bald Cunt, Horace Heresy''' or '''[[If_the_Emperor_had_a_Text-to-Speech_Device\|FUCKING HORUS!]]''' was the [[Primarch]] of the [[Black Legion\|Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion]], and the main figure in the event known as the [[Horus Heresy\|Horus]] [[Heresy]] (this is NOT a dead giveaway. Oh no), who is generally known as "'''THE GUY WHO FUCK'D IT ALL UP'''", [[Erebus \|but not really really.]]		'''Horus wah Daddy, I didn’t get enough hugs Lupercal, The Breaker of Tyrants, The Warmaster, The Arch-Traitor, That Bald Cunt, Horace Heresy''' or '''[[If_the_Emperor_had_a_Text-to-Speech_Device\|FUCKING HORUS!]]''' was the [[Primarch]] of the [[Black Legion\|Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion]], and the main figure in the event known as the [[Horus Heresy\|Horus]] [[Heresy]] (this is NOT a dead giveaway. Oh no), who is generally known as "'''THE GUY WHO FUCK'D IT ALL UP'''", [[Erebus \|but not really really.]]

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	It has often been said that Horus was the single greatest of all the Primarchs, and in many respects he genuinely was. Some of his brothers may have had an edge in one particular specialty or another, but Horus was very often among the top 5 in any given category. A jack of all trades, master of most, if you will. As a battle tactician, only Corax or the Lion were in his league, with the Lion possibly being just slightly better. As a grand military strategist, he was akin in skill to Dorn and Guilliman, with Guilliman likely taking the top spot by a small margin. As a logistician, only Perturabo or Guilliman were his match. As a diplomat, only Guilliman, Lorgar, and potentially Magnus were in his league. As a leader of men, only Sanguinius was possessed of similar charisma and nobility. And as a duelist, his prowess was such that Leman Russ, the Emperor's Executioner and one of the most powerful Primarchs, considered Horus to be his equal. All these traits and more combined to make Horus a virtually unmatched general. He could fight, plan, improvise, inspire, and negotiate with the absolute best of them. In terms of compliances, he had the single greatest number of military Compliances under his belt out of all the Primarchs. Only Dorn, the Lion, and Guilliman were close, and only Guilliman had a greater number of total Compliances (ones gained through diplomacy or some other non-military means).		It has often been said that Horus was the single greatest of all the Primarchs, and in many respects he genuinely was. Some of his brothers may have had an edge in one particular specialty or another, but Horus was very often among the top 5 in any given category. A jack of all trades, master of most, if you will. As a battle tactician, only Corax or the Lion were in his league, with the Lion possibly being just slightly better. As a grand military strategist, he was akin in skill to Dorn and Guilliman, with Guilliman likely taking the top spot by a small margin. As a logistician, only Perturabo or Guilliman were his match. As a diplomat, only Guilliman, Lorgar, and potentially Magnus were in his league. As a leader of men, only Sanguinius was possessed of similar charisma and nobility. And as a duelist, his prowess was such that Leman Russ, the Emperor's Executioner and one of the most powerful Primarchs, considered Horus to be his equal. All these traits and more combined to make Horus a virtually unmatched general. He could fight, plan, improvise, inspire, and negotiate with the absolute best of them. In terms of compliances, he had the single greatest number of military Compliances under his belt out of all the Primarchs. Only Dorn, the Lion, and Guilliman were close, and only Guilliman had a greater number of total Compliances (ones gained through diplomacy or some other non-military means).

	There was a flipside to his brilliance, however. While he was arguably the greatest conqueror out of the Primarchs, he was not the type of person to leave a planet better than it was before. He had a ~~tendency to destroy~~ and ~~then have Legions such as~~ the ~~Ultramarines clean up his messes~~. ~~While he~~ was a magnificent diplomat and always felt that the Primarchs should rule humanity, he never ~~actually~~ showed any interest in statesmanship~~, let alone~~ any ~~ability to rule a world~~. ~~As a matter of fact~~, ~~there is no hint that he ever~~ governed a single ~~planet - even in~~ his ~~youth~~, he was found by the Emperor long before he had any chance of ruling ~~over~~ his home ~~planet like most of his brothers (in~~ fact, ~~in an earlier book in the Horus Heresy series, it's treated as a mild punishment~~ for an Astartes from the Luna Wolves to be made a planetary governor). The Primarch who conquered the most planets never stuck around to make something of his gains. He wanted to always be known as his father's favourite and then when he was given the Warmaster position he started buckling under the pressure. In other words, he was the classic example of "wanting is better than having".		There was a flipside to his brilliance, however. While he was arguably the greatest conqueror out of the Primarchs, he was not the type of person to leave a planet better than it was before. Though he was noted as having said that these planets ''should'' be left better than they had been, he himself was not the person to actually stick around and fix things. Instead, he left that job to other Imperial organizations, whereas Primarchs like Guilliman or Lorgar would make sure to get a conquered planet up and running before leaving. Guilliman in particular would not leave a planet without ensuring that it had a functional PDF; well into the assimilation process for a compliant world. Additionally, while Horus was a magnificent diplomat and always felt that the Primarchs should rule humanity, he never showed any interest in statesmanship of any level. On that note, it appears as though Horus never actually governed a single world. Unlike most of his brothers, he was found by the Emperor long before he would have had any chance at ruling his home world. In fact, for an Astartes from the Luna Wolves to be made a planetary governor was actually considered a mild form of punishment on the few occasions it happened. The Primarch who conquered the most planets never stuck around to make something of his gains. He wanted to always be known as his father's favourite and then when he was given the Warmaster position he started buckling under the pressure. In other words, he was the classic example of "wanting is better than having".

	==On the Tabletop==		==On the Tabletop==

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	==Good Guy Horus==		==Good Guy Horus==
	It's often forgotten by fans that before he was corrupted and decieved by [[Erebus]] and [[Lorgar]], Horus was a genuinely nice guy. Fans are quick to joke about "that dick Horus," but before [[Heresy\|Things Went Wrong]] he was one of the most personable, down to earth primarchs. Yeah, part of the reason people fell for him so easily was that he shared the Emperor's psychic magnetism, but he also went out of his way to be friendly and considerate of custom, if not necessarily polite. Granted, at times he had arrogance to match [[Magnus]] and choler to match [[Angron]], but despite that he always made effort to honor those under his command, mortal and astartes alike. [[Konrad Curze\|While]] [[Angron\|many]] [[Perturabo\|primarchs]] saw their warriors as little more than tools, or [[Fulgrim\|were]] [[Ferrus Manus\|aloof]] and [[Corvus Corax\|unapproachable]], Horus was a true father to his sons, guiding and shaping them personally. To most legions it would be unimaginable for the primarch to personally seek out and comfort a legionary during a time of crisis, but for the Luna Wolves, it was obvious. He was no saint or coddler, as we see him encourage rivalries within and between his legion and others, but in doing so he brought strength and glory. Even when dealing with outsiders, he always attempted diplomacy before making war, something even his gentler brothers cannot say. In fact, one of the primary reasons why Horus was named Warmaster over other candidates like Guilliman, the Lion, or even Sanguinius was that he was such a people person. He was friends with nearly all of his brothers and was superhumanly savvy when it came to knowing how to talk to people. In this same vein, he was also a master manipulator, and routinely used his savvy to get people, even people who didn't agree with him, to do what he wanted. He was in fact so good at this this he had the ability to change his personality and demeanor to suit particular situations, appearing a slightly different person to others based on what he thought would get him the best results. He got along famously with all of his brothers save one; even total psychos like Angron and Konrad Curze just couldn't help but love the guy. The only brother of his who didn't like him was Corax, which was due to the newly-initiated Warmaster somewhat clumsily trying to exert his authority over Corax and getting a bunch of Raven Guard killed unnecessarily. Horus was a cunning, brutal, supremely confident warlord who nonetheless took great pains to make sure his warriors and mortal retainers were treated well, and furthermore, from the very few pre-Davin POV scenes we get, we know he ''actually believed'' others deserved to be treated well, it wasn't simply [[Fulgrim\|feigned politeness]] or [[Roboute Guilliman\|a calculated display of regard]]. In fact, his reaction to both finding the Interex and having to destroy them demonstrates that he was actually one of the most ardent good guys in the entire galaxy. Upon meeting the Interex, a group of humans who had incorporated a Xenos civilization into their own, Horus became absolutely hell-bent on trying to negotiate a Protectorate status for them. This was due not only to the fact that they successfully lived alongside xenos as part of their civilization, which Horus had essentially dismissed as impossible, but also how they had treated another hostile xenos species called the Mega Arachnids. A group of monstrous intelligent murder spiders, they had fought, and lost against, the Interex. But instead of exterminating them, the Interex exiled them to a random planet, took all the resources they could have used to build spacecraft, and quarantined them there. Horus was blown away by this non-violent solution, and wanted to learn as much as he could about the Interex. To make it clear how unusually open-minded this was, even ''Sanguinius'', most noble of men, seemed privately to be a bit iffy about Horus's desire to negotiate with xenos (though he supported Horus without reservation in public). Horus even told his closest advisor and First Captain, Abaddon, who hated the idea of negotiating with filthy xenos, to basically go sit and spin. Then fucking [[Erebus]] happened, and Horus had to destroy the Interex. Doing so however, affected him so dramatically that he was said to have "lost hope" after the conflict. So after being presented with the idea of the Federation from [[Star Trek]], Horus became completely enamored of the idea, and lost all his optimism after having the possibility of the Imperium becoming that way dashed. Even his edgy rebellion and fall to Chaos was due to his honest love of people. He's basically 40k's version of Arthas Menethil (only bald).		It's often forgotten by fans that before he was corrupted and decieved by [[Erebus]] and [[Lorgar]], Horus was a genuinely nice guy. Fans are quick to joke about "that dick Horus," but before [[Heresy\|Things Went Wrong]] he was one of the most personable, down to earth primarchs. Yeah, part of the reason people fell for him so easily was that he shared the Emperor's psychic magnetism, but he also went out of his way to be friendly and considerate of custom, if not necessarily polite. Granted, at times he had arrogance to match [[Magnus]] and choler to match [[Angron]], but despite that he always made effort to honor those under his command, mortal and astartes alike. [[Konrad Curze\|While]] [[Angron\|many]] [[Perturabo\|primarchs]] saw their warriors as little more than tools, or [[Fulgrim\|were]] [[Ferrus Manus\|aloof]] and [[Corvus Corax\|unapproachable]], Horus was a true father to his sons, guiding and shaping them personally.

			To most legions it would be unimaginable for the primarch to personally seek out and comfort a legionary during a time of crisis, but for the Luna Wolves, it was obvious. He was no saint or coddler, as we see him encourage rivalries within and between his legion and others, but in doing so he brought strength and glory. Even when dealing with outsiders, he always attempted diplomacy before making war, something even his gentler brothers cannot say. In fact, one of the primary reasons why Horus was named Warmaster over other candidates like Guilliman, the Lion, or even Sanguinius was that he was such a people person. He was friends with nearly all of his brothers and was superhumanly savvy when it came to knowing how to talk to people.

			In this same vein, he was also a master manipulator, and routinely used his savvy to get people, even people who didn't agree with him, to do what he wanted. He was in fact so good at this this he had the ability to change his personality and demeanor to suit particular situations, appearing a slightly different person to others based on what he thought would get him the best results. He got along famously with all of his brothers save one; even total psychos like Angron and Konrad Curze just couldn't help but love the guy. The only brother of his who didn't like him was Corax, which was due to the newly-initiated Warmaster somewhat clumsily trying to exert his authority over Corax and getting a bunch of Raven Guard killed unnecessarily. Horus was a cunning, brutal, supremely confident warlord who nonetheless took great pains to make sure his warriors and mortal retainers were treated well, and furthermore, from the very few pre-Davin POV scenes we get, we know he ''actually believed'' others deserved to be treated well, it wasn't simply [[Fulgrim\|feigned politeness]] or [[Roboute Guilliman\|a calculated display of regard]].

			In fact, his reaction to both finding the Interex and having to destroy them demonstrates that he was actually one of the most ardent good guys in the entire galaxy. Upon meeting the Interex, a group of humans who had incorporated a Xenos civilization into their own, Horus became absolutely hell-bent on trying to negotiate a Protectorate status for them. This was due not only to the fact that they successfully lived alongside xenos as part of their civilization, which Horus had essentially dismissed as impossible, but also how they had treated another hostile xenos species called the Mega Arachnids. A group of monstrous intelligent murder spiders, they had fought, and lost against, the Interex. But instead of exterminating them, the Interex exiled them to a random planet, took all the resources they could have used to build spacecraft, and quarantined them there. Horus was blown away by this non-violent solution, and wanted to learn as much as he could about the Interex. To make it clear how unusually open-minded this was, even ''Sanguinius'', most noble of men, seemed privately to be a bit iffy about Horus's desire to negotiate with xenos (though he supported Horus without reservation in public). Horus even told his closest advisor and First Captain, Abaddon, who hated the idea of negotiating with filthy xenos, to basically go sit and spin.

			Then fucking [[Erebus]] happened, and Horus had to destroy the Interex. Doing so however, affected him so dramatically that he was said to have "lost hope" after the conflict. So after being presented with the idea of the Federation from [[Star Trek]], Horus became completely enamored of the idea, and lost all his optimism after having the possibility of the Imperium becoming that way dashed. Even his edgy rebellion and fall to Chaos was due to his honest love of people. He's basically 40k's version of Arthas Menethil (only bald).

	Note also that part of Horus's dislike of mortals had a LOT to do with his dislike of the Imperial bureaucracy, as he considered those who had not fought and bled for the Imperium to be unworthy of simply inheriting that which others had died to obtain. In that regard, one of the things that elevates his good guy status to truly heroic heights was his unabashed hatred of the [[Lawful Evil\|tax man]]. When the Emperor retired from the Great Crusade, he had sent tax officials called Exectors to collect the Imperial Tithe. The introduction of the Tithe evoked many different reactions from the Primarchs and the Imperial citizenry, most of them negative. Of Horus's, he was known to have said at one point to his advisor Garviel Loken "If I had my choice, I would kill every Exector in the Imperium. But I'm sure we would be getting tax bills from Hell before breakfast." Loken noted that he had laughed at the statement, but had abruptly stopped doing so when he realized that he couldn't tell if Horus was actually joking. Truly a great man.		Note also that part of Horus's dislike of mortals had a LOT to do with his dislike of the Imperial bureaucracy, as he considered those who had not fought and bled for the Imperium to be unworthy of simply inheriting that which others had died to obtain. In that regard, one of the things that elevates his good guy status to truly heroic heights was his unabashed hatred of the [[Lawful Evil\|tax man]]. When the Emperor retired from the Great Crusade, he had sent tax officials called Exectors to collect the Imperial Tithe. The introduction of the Tithe evoked many different reactions from the Primarchs and the Imperial citizenry, most of them negative. Of Horus's, he was known to have said at one point to his advisor Garviel Loken "If I had my choice, I would kill every Exector in the Imperium. But I'm sure we would be getting tax bills from Hell before breakfast." Loken noted that he had laughed at the statement, but had abruptly stopped doing so when he realized that he couldn't tell if Horus was actually joking. Truly a great man.

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	[[File:Past-Horus-Primarchs-.jpeg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Young Horus in all his bald glory (looking weirdly like Benito Mussolini crossed with a WWE wrestler).]]		[[File:Past-Horus-Primarchs-.jpeg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|Young Horus in all his bald glory (looking weirdly like Benito Mussolini crossed with a WWE wrestler).]]
	Once the most favoured son of his father the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]], he began to resent his father's treatment of him and other Primarchs, and believing that the Emperor's secret plan was to become a god using his own Primarch sons as a tool (when in fact all this is [[Just as planned\|due to the lies]] of a [[Lorgar\|certain religious zealot]]), eventually turned to [[Chaos]]. If you really need to be told any of this, what in the actual fuck are you doing on /tg/ in the first place? This is such common knowledge, that the outlines of the Horus Heresy and every bad ass taking part in it, are more or less [[Dwarf Fortress\|engraved]] in the mind of every /tg/ reader. Much like the Emperor being crippled and the Imperium devolving into a bureaucratic [[grimdark]] empire, the death of Horus and the placement of [[Abaddon]] as the ~~most influential~~ Chaos champion ~~ever~~, turned the Traitor legions from a genocidal force bent on utter domination for the glory of Chaos into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain organization. Also his armour made him look like an egg. A very evil egg.		Once the most favoured son of his father the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]], he began to resent his father's treatment of him and other Primarchs, and believing that the Emperor's secret plan was to become a god using his own Primarch sons as a tool (when in fact all this is [[Just as planned\|due to the lies]] of a [[Lorgar\|certain religious zealot]]), eventually turned to [[Chaos]]. Much like the Emperor being crippled and the Imperium devolving into a bureaucratic [[grimdark]] empire, the death of Horus and the placement of [[Abaddon]] as the Chaos champion, turned the Traitor legions from a genocidal force bent on utter domination for the glory of Chaos into a Saturday-morning cartoon villain organization. Also his armour made him look like an egg. A very evil egg.

	It is argued that Horus was ~~not actually evil but~~ possessed by the Chaos Gods or that he was a victim of [[Lorgar]], who is officially labeled as "The First Heretic." However, he was still [[Eldrad\|a massive dick]]. ~~Hence the common saying in the post-Heresy Imperium: ''"Of all the mighty Primarchs, Horus sure was a dick."''~~		It is argued that Horus was possessed by the Chaos Gods or that he was a victim of [[Lorgar]], who is officially labeled as "The First Heretic." However, he was still [[Eldrad\|a massive dick]].

	But long story short, the Imperium got into this fucked up state because this guy had daddy issues (honestly, who didn't?), he got scammed by [[Erebus\|religious nutjobs]], and [[Grimdark\|because the Chaos Gods showed him horrific visions of the future, supposedly under the Emperor's rule]], all while conveniently leaving out the fact that it would be his own efforts to avert said future that would cause it in the first place. Lol-irony. They did show him that the Emperor was planning to discard him and the other rest of the Space Marines when their usefulness ended, which totally contradicts previous Horus Heresy novels where the chambers the primarchs were supposed to live in once the Crusade ended were depicted. Why would you build large apartments for your "sons" if you really did not give a rat's ass about them? Or was the EMPRA intending on luring them into their respective apartment and then strangle them to death? Why go through all the effort when his psychic might was enough to force Lorgar to kneel (causing a small brain hemorrhage as evidenced by blood tricking out of his nose. See "The First Heretic)? He could have just BLAMMED them all Thunder Warrior style with all his psychic prowess and shit. Either way, you know what they say- the best lies contain a grain of truth. The Chaos Gods did show Horus the future he would create which seemed to prove that the EMPRA had planned his own ascension all along (so he obviously must enjoy to be chilling on the couch as a decomposing corpse these days).		But long story short, the Imperium got into this fucked up state because this guy had daddy issues (honestly, who didn't?), he got scammed by [[Erebus\|religious nutjobs]], and [[Grimdark\|because the Chaos Gods showed him horrific visions of the future, supposedly under the Emperor's rule]], all while conveniently leaving out the fact that it would be his own efforts to avert said future that would cause it in the first place. Lol-irony. They did show him that the Emperor was planning to discard him and the other rest of the Space Marines when their usefulness ended, which totally contradicts previous Horus Heresy novels where the chambers the primarchs were supposed to live in once the Crusade ended were depicted. Why would you build large apartments for your "sons" if you really did not give a rat's ass about them? Or was the EMPRA intending on luring them into their respective apartment and then strangle them to death? Why go through all the effort when his psychic might was enough to force Lorgar to kneel (causing a small brain hemorrhage as evidenced by blood tricking out of his nose. See "The First Heretic)? He could have just BLAMMED them all Thunder Warrior style with all his psychic prowess and shit. Either way, you know what they say- the best lies contain a grain of truth. The Chaos Gods did show Horus the future he would create which seemed to prove that the EMPRA had planned his own ascension all along (so he obviously must enjoy to be chilling on the couch as a decomposing corpse these days).

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	{{Topquote\|'''Let the galaxy burn.'''\|Horus Lupercal, ruining everything for everyone for ever}}		{{Topquote\|'''Let the galaxy burn.'''\|Horus Lupercal, ruining everything for everyone for ever}}
	{{Topquote\|Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.\|Satan in John Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.}}		{{Topquote\|Better to reign in Hell than to serve in Heaven.\|Satan in John Milton's ''Paradise Lost''.}}
			{{Topquote\|When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.\|George R.R. Martin}}
	{{Topquote\|[[Primarch\|Angels]] are bright still, though the brightest [[Chaos\|fell]].\|William Shakespeare}}		{{Topquote\|[[Primarch\|Angels]] are bright still, though the brightest [[Chaos\|fell]].\|William Shakespeare}}
	'''Horus wah Daddy, I didn’t get enough hugs Lupercal, The Breaker of Tyrants, The Warmaster, The Arch-Traitor, That Bald Cunt, Horace Heresy''' or '''[[If_the_Emperor_had_a_Text-to-Speech_Device\|FUCKING HORUS!]]''' was the [[Primarch]] of the [[Black Legion\|Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion]], and the main figure in the event known as the [[Horus Heresy\|Horus]] [[Heresy]] (this is NOT a dead giveaway. Oh no), who is generally known as "'''THE GUY WHO FUCK'D IT ALL UP'''", [[Erebus \|but not really really.]]		'''Horus wah Daddy, I didn’t get enough hugs Lupercal, The Breaker of Tyrants, The Warmaster, The Arch-Traitor, That Bald Cunt, Horace Heresy''' or '''[[If_the_Emperor_had_a_Text-to-Speech_Device\|FUCKING HORUS!]]''' was the [[Primarch]] of the [[Black Legion\|Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion]], and the main figure in the event known as the [[Horus Heresy\|Horus]] [[Heresy]] (this is NOT a dead giveaway. Oh no), who is generally known as "'''THE GUY WHO FUCK'D IT ALL UP'''", [[Erebus \|but not really really.]]