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	==Legacy==		==Legacy==
	It was all compiled into a single book and retconned for the Forgotten Realms setting. Hamfistedly. Although not such as to ruin them. Nor to ''fix'' them as a series...		It was all compiled into a single book and retconned for the [[Forgotten Realms]] setting. Hamfistedly. Although not such as to ruin them. Nor to ''fix'' them as a series...

	Also the skate-ship in I5 was reused (maybe stolen) for the glass sailship in para-''[[Dragonlance]]'''s ''[[Taladas\|Time of the Dragon]]''. Since Hickman started the whole ''Dragonlance'' thing why not, we guess.		Also the skate-ship in I5 was reused (maybe stolen) for the glass sailship in para-''[[Dragonlance]]'''s ''[[Taladas\|Time of the Dragon]]''. Since Hickman started the whole ''Dragonlance'' thing why not, we guess.

	[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]] [[Category: Modules]] [[Category: Forgotten Realms]]		[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]] [[Category: Modules]] [[Category: Forgotten Realms]]

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	It was all compiled into a single book and retconned for the Forgotten Realms setting. Hamfistedly. Although not such as to ruin them. Nor to ''fix'' them as a series...		It was all compiled into a single book and retconned for the Forgotten Realms setting. Hamfistedly. Although not such as to ruin them. Nor to ''fix'' them as a series...

	Also the skate-ship in I5 was reused (maybe stolen) for the glass sailship in ''[[Dragonlance]]'''s ''Time of the Dragon''. Since Hickman started the whole ''Dragonlance'' thing why not, we guess.		Also the skate-ship in I5 was reused (maybe stolen) for the glass sailship in para-''[[Dragonlance]]'''s ''[[Taladas\|Time of the Dragon]]''. Since Hickman started the whole ''Dragonlance'' thing why not, we guess.

	[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]] [[Category: Modules]] [[Category: Forgotten Realms]]		[[Category: Dungeons & Dragons]] [[Category: Modules]] [[Category: Forgotten Realms]]

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	Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two storylines are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.		Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two storylines are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.

	An apologist for these modules would say that the two storylines are mutually balanced, the point being that [[rape\|consent matters when doing a plunder]], unless it's against dead Set worshippers in which case screw 'em. But what if the players ''aren't'' tomb raiders? In this case groups who'd play ~~the~~ "full" epic must railroad the PCs into ~~doing something~~ stupid and ~~evil~~.		An apologist for these modules would say that the two storylines are mutually balanced, the point being that [[rape\|consent matters when doing a plunder]], unless it's against dead Set worshippers in which case screw 'em. But what if the players ''aren't'' tomb raiders? In this case groups who'd play Hickman's "full" epic must railroad the PCs into committing an act Hickman himself would classify as a crime (and a stupid one). Don't eat that forbidden fruit - the really tasty one over there, and by the way you're stuck here until you do.

	The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).		The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).

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	Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two storylines are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.		Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two storylines are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.

	An apologist for these modules would say that the two storylines are mutually balanced, the point being that [[rape\|consent matters when doing a plunder]]. But what if the players ''aren't'' tomb raiders? In this case groups who'd play the "full" epic must railroad the PCs into doing something stupid and evil.		An apologist for these modules would say that the two storylines are mutually balanced, the point being that [[rape\|consent matters when doing a plunder]], unless it's against dead Set worshippers in which case screw 'em. But what if the players ''aren't'' tomb raiders? In this case groups who'd play the "full" epic must railroad the PCs into doing something stupid and evil.

	The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).		The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).

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	The angel Moroni must have instilled some cognitive-dissonance in Tracy because he couldn't leave that story, nor that setting, be.		The angel Moroni must have instilled some cognitive-dissonance in Tracy because he couldn't leave that story, nor that setting, be.

	As the I-series casts ''Pharaoh'': in the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two I-modules. They might, ~~accidentally~~, loose a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first ~~one~~ is/was had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of followup I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.		As the I-series casts ''Pharaoh'': in the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two I-modules. They might, by raiding ''another'' tomb, loose The Treasure That Must Be Kept: a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing still more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first gem is/was had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of followup I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.

	Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) ~~DMs who want to play the "full" epic are therefore forced to railroad the PCs into doing something stupid.~~ I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.		Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two storylines are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.

			An apologist for these modules would say that the two storylines are mutually balanced, the point being that [[rape\|consent matters when doing a plunder]]. But what if the players ''aren't'' tomb raiders? In this case groups who'd play the "full" epic must railroad the PCs into doing something stupid and evil.

	The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).		The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).

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	==Pharaoh==		==Pharaoh==
	As backstory for I3, Pharaoh Amun-Re once upon a time offended [[Osiris]] by his acts of tyranny and blasphemy not least the erection of a grandiose "theft-proof" pyramid to himself. As a result, the god cursed Amun-Re to become a restless [[ghost]] whose presence blighted his own land into a barren waste. Only by having his fabulous treasure stolen would the curse be broken, banishing the desert that had swallowed up his kingdom and allowing Amun-Re's soul to enter the peace of the afterlife. The story begins when Amun-Re's ghost appears to the party as they wander the Desert of Desolation that has sprung up around his tomb, pleading with them to risk the traps and guardians of his pyramid and end his curse.		As backstory for the first module then-standalone, Pharaoh Amun-Re once upon a time offended [[Osiris]] by his acts of tyranny and blasphemy not least the erection of a grandiose "theft-proof" pyramid to himself. As a result, the god cursed Amun-Re to become a restless [[ghost]] whose presence blighted his own land into a barren waste. Only by having his fabulous treasure stolen would the curse be broken, banishing the desert that had swallowed up his kingdom and allowing Amun-Re's soul to enter the peace of the afterlife. The story begins when Amun-Re's ghost appears to the party as they wander the Desert of Desolation that has sprung up around his tomb, pleading with them to risk the traps and guardians of his pyramid and end his curse.

	By happenstance this pyramid is the earliest ever [[Egypt]]ian themed [[dungeon]] to see publication for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. Alan Lucien had plotted "Tomb of Ra-Hotep" before that, but this would become [[S1: Tomb of Horrors\|something else]].		By happenstance this pyramid is the earliest ever [[Egypt]]ian themed [[dungeon]] to see publication for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. Alan Lucien had plotted "Tomb of Ra-Hotep" before that, but this would become [[S1: Tomb of Horrors\|something else]].

	So the old pagan gods kind-of/sort-of exist; they blend in with historical figures; and they are all complete ''cocks''. As for RPGs, they are a vehicle to teach Important Moral Lessons, here that greed and pride are mortal sins hmmkay and you can't enjoy your wealth after death. Unless you're a PC [[murderhobo]]. Yay, ~~Tracy~~!		So the old pagan gods kind-of/sort-of exist; they blend in with historical figures; and they are all complete ''cocks''. As for RPGs, they are a vehicle to teach Important Moral Lessons, here that greed and pride are mortal sins hmmkay and you can't enjoy your wealth after death. Unless you're a PC [[murderhobo]]. Yay, Hickmans!

	==Oopsie!==		==Oopsie!==
			The angel Moroni must have instilled some cognitive-dissonance in Tracy because he couldn't leave that story, nor that setting, be.

	As the I-series casts ''Pharaoh'': in the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two I-modules. They might, accidentally, loose a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first one is/was had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of followup I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.		As the I-series casts ''Pharaoh'': in the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two I-modules. They might, accidentally, loose a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first one is/was had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of followup I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.

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	==Oopsie!==		==Oopsie!==
	In the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two modules. They might, accidentally, loose a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first one is had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.		As the I-series casts ''Pharaoh'': in the course of healing the land, the party has the opportunity to... kick off the next two I-modules. They might, accidentally, loose a ''Wishmaster''-esque evil afrit. The party has to fix THAT by robbing more graves and collecting soul-gems. The first one is/was had in the Pharaoh's tomb in the first module. The other two are got in the course of followup I4, starting with a temple of Set and culminating in the tomb of Badr al-Musak.

	Note how the ~~plot~~ of I3 is entirely disconnected with ~~that of~~ I4-5. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) DMs who want to play the "full" epic are therefore forced to railroad the PCs into doing something stupid. I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.		Note how the core of I3 is entirely disconnected with the I4-5 cycle. Literally a side-encounter of the first one becomes the root of some other epic. (How very Arabian Nights...) DMs who want to play the "full" epic are therefore forced to railroad the PCs into doing something stupid. I3-5 is not a series, in a narrative sense; it is two adventures set in the same location. Thematically the two are mutually redundant, at that - the land was supposed to be healed in I3 and, oops, we're still in a desert I4-5.

	I4 ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).		The I-series ramps up the Islam, by way of the Ibn Ishaq Sira. Hickman and Meyers pose a holy cold-war between the Thune Dervishes and the Symbayans. The Thune protect ALL the holy sites of the wastelands, whatever their supposed "alignment". The pegasi-riding Symbayans are monotheists to Anu. I4 especially would have you side with the latter against those intolerant fanatical ... pluralistic pagans. Well at least Hickman (and Meyers) allowed the Thune have an ethos (as ''The Great Lebowski'' might put it).

	The finale I5 is mostly in one final tomb, that of Martek, where Hickman rewards you with a ... Liahona. Well so much for all the Islamic themes, here's that Hickmanite Mormonism you'd been wanting.		The finale I5 is mostly in one final tomb, that of Martek, where Hickman rewards you with a ... Liahona. Well so much for all the Islamic themes, here's that Hickmanite Mormonism you'd been wanting.

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	By happenstance this pyramid is the earliest ever [[Egypt]]ian themed [[dungeon]] to see publication for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. Alan Lucien had plotted "Tomb of Ra-Hotep" before that, but this would become [[S1: Tomb of Horrors\|something else]].		By happenstance this pyramid is the earliest ever [[Egypt]]ian themed [[dungeon]] to see publication for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. Alan Lucien had plotted "Tomb of Ra-Hotep" before that, but this would become [[S1: Tomb of Horrors\|something else]].

	So the old pagan gods kind-of/sort-of exist; they blend in with historical figures; and they are all complete ''cocks''. As for RPGs, they are a vehicle to teach Important Moral Lessons, here that greed and pride are mortal sins hmmkay and you can't enjoy your wealth after death. Yay, Tracy!		So the old pagan gods kind-of/sort-of exist; they blend in with historical figures; and they are all complete ''cocks''. As for RPGs, they are a vehicle to teach Important Moral Lessons, here that greed and pride are mortal sins hmmkay and you can't enjoy your wealth after death. Unless you're a PC [[murderhobo]]. Yay, Tracy!

	==Oopsie!==		==Oopsie!==