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	[[File:AAdNxj2_700b.jpg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|Roboute Guilliman, trying to channel as much the Emperor's charisma as possible while the sky goes bananas on him]]		[[File:AAdNxj2_700b.jpg\|500px\|thumb\|right\|Roboute Guilliman, trying to channel as much the Emperor's charisma as possible while the sky goes bananas on him]]
	The '''Indomitus Crusade''' is the Imperium's latest major military campaign, in response to Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, its successful destruction of Cadia and the fracturing of the galaxy in two pieces. After the combined efforts of Archmagos [[Cawl]], Saint [[Celestine]] and the [[Ynnari]] to bring the Primarch Roboute Guilliman back from stasis, he reaches Terra and takes full control of the Imperium to try and [[get shit done]]. To do this, he declares a massive crusade to push back the forces of Chaos, unveiling his brand new and very [[Games Workshop\|marketable]] [[Primaris Marines]] to spearhead his attack against Chaos, even if no one really trusts these new guys. The Indomitus Crusade lasted around a century and managed to stabilize the Imperium, but the 13th Black Crusade is technically still going on. Also, this event is the first major step into the 42nd Millennium (or not because calendars are fucked in this grimdark future), [[Ciaphas Cain]]'s novels notwithstanding.		The '''Indomitus Crusade''' is the Imperium's latest major military campaign, in response to Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, its successful destruction of Cadia and the fracturing of the galaxy in two pieces. After the combined efforts of Archmagos [[Cawl]], Saint [[Celestine]] and the [[Ynnari]] to bring the Primarch Roboute Guilliman back from stasis, he reaches Terra and takes full control of the Imperium to try and [[get shit done]]. To do this, he declares a massive crusade to push back the forces of Chaos, unveiling his brand new and very [[Games Workshop\|marketable]] [[Primaris Marines]] to spearhead his attack against Chaos, even if no one really trusts these new guys. The Indomitus Crusade lasted around a century and managed to stabilize the Imperium, but the 13th Black Crusade is technically still going on. Also, this event is the first major step into the 42nd Millennium (or not because calendars are fucked in this grimdark future), [[Ciaphas Cain]]'s novels notwithstanding.

	This event is especially remarkable because this is the biggest [[Advancing the Storyline\|advance of the 40K storyline]] in decades, making people really afraid of this being another Age of Sigmar. For now, those fears have been pushed aside; the galaxy is still there, although split by the [[Cicatrix Maledictum]].		This event is especially remarkable because this is the biggest [[Advancing the Storyline\|advance of the 40K storyline]] in decades, making people really afraid of this being another Age of Sigmar. For now, those fears have been pushed aside; the galaxy is still there, although split by the [[Cicatrix Maledictum]].
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	===The Retconning===		===The Retconning===
	So 9th Edition decided for whatever reason to retcon the crusade from concluded to still ongoing, with the Raukos conflict merely wrapping up a phase in the larger crusade. Probably because there was no reason to end the Crusade. You cannot win a war just by defending. To say nothing of how the Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, and countless other major factions would view ending the most important and successful offensive since the freaking ''Great Crusade'' merely because a few planets in Ultramar were invaded. Because of this new corporate direction, the entire Dark Imperium series of novels is being rewritten to better fit the situation in the Dawn of Fire novels and everything else (including the recent [[Psychic Awakening]] series to an extent) being built around this.		So 9th Edition decided for whatever reason to retcon the crusade from concluded to still ongoing, with the Raukos conflict merely wrapping up a phase in the larger crusade. Probably because there was no reason to end the Crusade. You cannot win a war just by defending. To say nothing of how the Imperium, Adeptus Astartes, and countless other major factions would view ending the most important and successful offensive since the freaking ''Great Crusade'' merely because a few planets in Ultramar were invaded. Because of this new corporate direction, the entire Dark Imperium series of novels is being rewritten to better fit the situation in the Dawn of Fire novels and everything else (including the recent [[Psychic Awakening]] series to an extent) being built around this.

	==Results of the conflict==		==Results of the conflict==
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	===The Dark Imperium Stabilizes===		===The Dark Imperium Stabilizes===
	Half of the Imperium still gets barely any light from the [[Astronomican]], isolating the Imperium Nihilus from the Emperor's light and also cutting it off from any reinforcements that might come from the other side of the Imperium (except through one available warp route occupied by a traitor Knight House or, y'know, going around or above or under the Great Rift), exposing it to future attacks from heretics and xenos alike and making warp travel an even more hazardous experience. The splitting of the Imperium into two halves (one that is able to keep itself stable enough due to Guilliman and being on the same side as the Astronomican, and one which is basically daemon food) is bound to cause problems on the off chance there's enough of the Imperium left to break away in the Imperium Nihilus, not to mention that most Chaos forces are still running amok throughout the galaxy and now have a ''gigantic'' base of operations to launch their attacks from instead of the much smaller [[Eye of Terror]] and the [[Maelstrom]].		Half of the Imperium still gets barely any light from the [[Astronomican]], isolating the Imperium Nihilus from the Emperor's light and also cutting it off from any reinforcements that might come from the other side of the Imperium (except through one available warp route occupied by a traitor Knight House or, y'know, going around or above or under the Great Rift), exposing it to future attacks from heretics and xenos alike and making warp travel an even more hazardous experience. The splitting of the Imperium into two halves (one that is able to keep itself stable enough due to Guilliman and being on the same side as the Astronomican, and one which is basically daemon food) is bound to cause problems on the off chance there's enough of the Imperium left to break away in the Imperium Nihilus, not to mention that most Chaos forces are still running amok throughout the galaxy and now have a ''gigantic'' base of operations to launch their attacks from instead of the much smaller [[Eye of Terror]] and the [[Maelstrom]].

	That said, the Primaris reinforcements to the Dark Angels and Blood Angels have alleviated the worst of the 13th Black Crusade's rampage, so it's not entirely hopeless. [[Dante]] is also honored by Gulliman and placed in charge of the Imperium Nihilus when he can't get to it, so they're not without any sort of leadership.		That said, the Primaris reinforcements to the Dark Angels and Blood Angels have alleviated the worst of the 13th Black Crusade's rampage, so it's not entirely hopeless. [[Dante]] is also honored by Gulliman and placed in charge of the Imperium Nihilus when he can't get to it, so they're not without any sort of leadership.
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	The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.		The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.

	On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to.		On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to.

	The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.		The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.
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	===Xenos===		===Xenos===
	Meanwhile, the [[Tyranids]] ate some more planets and are pushing further into Segmentum Solar, the [[Tau]] lost a whole expansion sphere when they ran straight into the [[Death Guard]]'s [[Rape\|main force]], the [[Necrons]] expanded some of their empires, the [[Ork]]s did what Orks do (hint: it involves [[Waaagh]]!, [[choppa]] and [[dakka]]) but they're more organized now, and the [[Craftworld]] Eldar are trying to figure out what to think of the Ynnari while generally attempting to not get wiped out by Chaos. The xenos and the danger they pose haven't gone anywhere, but for the time being the Imperium considers Chaos to be the more immediate threat to its existence.		Meanwhile, the [[Tyranids]] ate some more planets and are pushing further into Segmentum Solar, the [[Tau]] lost a whole expansion sphere when they ran straight into the [[Death Guard]]'s [[Rape\|main force]], the [[Necrons]] expanded some of their empires, the [[Ork]]s did what Orks do (hint: it involves [[Waaagh]]!, [[choppa]] and [[dakka]]) but they're more organized now, and the [[Craftworld]] Eldar are trying to figure out what to think of the Ynnari while generally attempting to not get wiped out by Chaos. The xenos and the danger they pose haven't gone anywhere, but for the time being the Imperium considers Chaos to be the more immediate threat to its existence.

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	The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.		The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.

	Also, the <s>[[Squats]]</s> [[Leagues of Votann]] have finally made themselves known to the wider galaxy after millennia of playing the universe's longest game of hide-and-seek. This is thanks in part of the Cicatrix Maledictum ruining their cosy galactic cottage core and forcing them to expand outside of the core for the first time in their race's history. This has proven to be a mixed blessing for the Imperium. On one hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that kicks Chaos and Xenos ass like there is ~~not~~ tomorrow. On the other hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that can also kick Imperial ass if something like the AdMech got too adventurous for their own good. So far, relations seem pretty stable with the League as both factions have bigger fish to fry, so the High Lords could at least swipe their sweat for now.		Also, the <s>[[Squats]]</s> [[Leagues of Votann]] have finally made themselves known to the wider galaxy after millennia of playing the universe's longest game of hide-and-seek. This is thanks in part of the Cicatrix Maledictum ruining their cosy galactic cottage core and forcing them to expand outside of the core for the first time in their race's history. This has proven to be a mixed blessing for the Imperium. On one hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that kicks Chaos and Xenos ass like there is no tomorrow. On the other hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that can also kick Imperial ass if something like the AdMech got too adventurous for their own good. So far, relations seem pretty stable with the League as both factions have bigger fish to fry, so the High Lords could at least swipe their sweat for now.

	===Xenos===		===Xenos===

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	The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.		The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.

			Also, the <s>[[Squats]]</s> [[Leagues of Votann]] have finally made themselves known to the wider galaxy after millennia of playing the universe's longest game of hide-and-seek. This is thanks in part of the Cicatrix Maledictum ruining their cosy galactic cottage core and forcing them to expand outside of the core for the first time in their race's history. This has proven to be a mixed blessing for the Imperium. On one hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that kicks Chaos and Xenos ass like there is not tomorrow. On the other hand, there is a new faction of extremely powerful abhumans that can also kick Imperial ass if something like the AdMech got too adventurous for their own good. So far, relations seem pretty stable with the League as both factions have bigger fish to fry, so the High Lords could at least swipe their sweat for now.

	===Xenos===		===Xenos===

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	===Xenos===		===Xenos===
	Meanwhile, the [[Tyranids]] ate some more planets and are pushing further into Segmentum Solar, the [[Tau]] lost a whole expansion sphere when they ran straight into the [[Death Guard]]'s main force, the [[Necrons]] expanded some of their empires, the [[Ork]]s did what Orks do (hint: it involves [[Waaagh]]!, [[choppa]] and [[dakka]]) but they're more organized now, and the [[Craftworld]] Eldar are trying to figure out what to think of the Ynnari while generally attempting to not get wiped out by Chaos. The xenos and the danger they pose haven't gone anywhere, but for the time being the Imperium considers Chaos to be the more immediate threat to its existence.		Meanwhile, the [[Tyranids]] ate some more planets and are pushing further into Segmentum Solar, the [[Tau]] lost a whole expansion sphere when they ran straight into the [[Death Guard]]'s [[Rape\|main force]], the [[Necrons]] expanded some of their empires, the [[Ork]]s did what Orks do (hint: it involves [[Waaagh]]!, [[choppa]] and [[dakka]]) but they're more organized now, and the [[Craftworld]] Eldar are trying to figure out what to think of the Ynnari while generally attempting to not get wiped out by Chaos. The xenos and the danger they pose haven't gone anywhere, but for the time being the Imperium considers Chaos to be the more immediate threat to its existence.

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	The '''Indomitus Crusade''' is the Imperium's latest major military campaign, in response to Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, its successful destruction of Cadia and the fracturing of the galaxy in two pieces. After the combined efforts of Archmagos [[Cawl]], Saint [[Celestine]] and the [[Ynnari]] to bring the Primarch Roboute Guilliman back from stasis, he reaches Terra and takes full control of the Imperium to try and [[get shit done]]. To do this, he declares a massive crusade to push back the forces of Chaos, unveiling his brand new and very [[Games Workshop\|marketable]] [[Primaris Marines]] to spearhead his attack against Chaos, even if no one really trusts these new guys. The Indomitus Crusade lasted around a century and managed to stabilize the Imperium, but the 13th Black Crusade is technically still going on. Also, this event is the first major step into the 42nd Millennium (or not because calendars are fucked in this grimdark future), [[Ciaphas Cain]]'s novels notwithstanding.		The '''Indomitus Crusade''' is the Imperium's latest major military campaign, in response to Abaddon's 13th Black Crusade, its successful destruction of Cadia and the fracturing of the galaxy in two pieces. After the combined efforts of Archmagos [[Cawl]], Saint [[Celestine]] and the [[Ynnari]] to bring the Primarch Roboute Guilliman back from stasis, he reaches Terra and takes full control of the Imperium to try and [[get shit done]]. To do this, he declares a massive crusade to push back the forces of Chaos, unveiling his brand new and very [[Games Workshop\|marketable]] [[Primaris Marines]] to spearhead his attack against Chaos, even if no one really trusts these new guys. The Indomitus Crusade lasted around a century and managed to stabilize the Imperium, but the 13th Black Crusade is technically still going on. Also, this event is the first major step into the 42nd Millennium (or not because calendars are fucked in this grimdark future), [[Ciaphas Cain]]'s novels notwithstanding.

	This event is especially remarkable because this is the biggest [[Advancing the Storyline\|advance of the 40K storyline]] in decades, making people really afraid of this being another Age of Sigmar. For now, those fears have been pushed aside; the galaxy is still there, although split by the Cicatrix Maledictum.		This event is especially remarkable because this is the biggest [[Advancing the Storyline\|advance of the 40K storyline]] in decades, making people really afraid of this being another Age of Sigmar. For now, those fears have been pushed aside; the galaxy is still there, although split by the [[Cicatrix Maledictum]].

	==Phase 1: Gathering forces and the Second Battle of Terra==		==Phase 1: Gathering forces and the Second Battle of Terra==

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	The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.		The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.

	On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to.		On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to.

	The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.		The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.

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	The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.		The Primaris Marines debate has only gotten worse after the end of the Crusade, with most people seeing Cawl's creations as either necessary abominations or an outright heresy, depending on whom you ask. If Guilliman speaks soon and intelligently, this could be dismissed by his pointing out the Primaris are made from the most pure gene-seed in a device created by the Emperor himself using techniques used in the creation of the Custodes, so calling it heresy is like saying the Primarchs and Astartes in general are heretical. The Custodes know the Emperor approves, and the Custodes ''do '''not''''' like it when people refuse the Emperor's will.

	On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to. The Mechanicus's higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him a heretek, ~~which is funny because he was a key part in creating~~ the Primarines and their ~~armor so anything he does with it can’t really be considered heresy as~~ the Emperor ~~gave him~~ leave ~~to manipulate Astartes genetics to do his job in the first place~~ before the Great Crusade. ~~Of course, this assumes~~ the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing~~. Considering~~ the political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium ~~Proper~~ since his return~~... yes~~, it's ~~still a thing, since Mars has not been blown up. The Mechanicus knows full well that to reject~~ the ~~Emperor as~~ Omnissiah ~~would mean extermination by an Imperium~~ that ~~genuinely~~ would ~~not give~~ a ~~damn what the consequences would be so long as they could purge heretics~~.		On the administrative side, Guilliman has to manage several warzones at once while ruling the whole Imperium and dealing with the [[Ecclesiarchy\|various]] [[Inquisition\|groups]] that are opposed to his attempted reforms, which is a difficult task even for the Primarch known for his administrative skills. It'll be fine once he realizes that the current Imperium would be totally chill with him just exterminating all the groups opposing him. Even if he tried to wipe out the Ecclesiarchy the vast majority of people wouldn't see a heretic destroying worship of the Emperor but instead would see their religious institution refusing to roll over and die on the whim of one of the God-Emperor's own sons and are therefore heretical for not dying when their god's son told them to.

			The Mechanicus' higher echelons are also highly annoyed that Cawl is calling so many shots, and only Cawl's seniority and knowledge of many long-lost technologies has kept them from declaring him an outright heretek - something rather amusing, considering the Primarines and their armour were created by the Emperor's leave before the Great Crusade. The fact that the Emperor = Omnissiah thing is still a thing (despite the recent political/religious tensions Guilliman's caused in the Imperium since his return) may also be lessening this somewhat, since it would be heresy to claim a Prime Conduit of the Omnissiah - one who can prove he's acting on the Omnissiah's own orders, at that - would be a Very Bad Idea for any tech-priest with half an ounce of sense.

	===Xenos===		===Xenos===

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Phase 1: Gathering forces and the Second Battle of Terra

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	==Phase 1: Gathering forces and the Second Battle of Terra==		==Phase 1: Gathering forces and the Second Battle of Terra==
	Soon after Guilliman arrived to Terra and took the title of Lord Commander of the Imperium (~~basically~~ becoming the ~~''de facto''~~ ruler of the Imperium of Mankind and Head of the [[High Lords of Terra]]), he started to gather up all the forces he could to counter the forces of Chaos that were pouring from the Warp in massive amounts: Astartes, Mechanicum, Navy, Guard Regiments, the Sisters of Silence, some Custodes elements (finally entering the galactic fray after millennia of doing fuck all), and the new and now on sale Primaris Marines to spearhead the counterattack. While he was busy gathering his forces Terra was attacked by the Legions of [[Khorne]]. The Blood God was fed up with the other idiots mucking about around the Cicatrix Maledictum believing they'd won, so he went to finish the job on his own and sent in eight of his Legions... who were quickly and swiftly sent running back to the Warp with [[rage\|extreme prejudice]] and [[dakka\|overwhelming firepower.]]		Soon after Guilliman arrived to Terra and took the title of Lord Commander of the Imperium (thus becoming the effective ruler of the Imperium of Mankind at the behest of [[Emperor\|Daddy]] and Head of the [[High Lords of Terra]]), he started to gather up all the forces he could to counter the forces of Chaos that were pouring from the Warp in massive amounts: Astartes, Mechanicum, Navy, Guard Regiments, the Sisters of Silence, some Custodes elements (finally entering the galactic fray after millennia of doing fuck all), and the new and now on sale Primaris Marines to spearhead the counterattack. While he was busy gathering his forces Terra was attacked by the Legions of [[Khorne]]. The Blood God was fed up with the other idiots mucking about around the Cicatrix Maledictum believing they'd won, so he went to finish the job on his own and sent in eight of his Legions... who were quickly and swiftly sent running back to the Warp with [[rage\|extreme prejudice]] and [[dakka\|overwhelming firepower.]]

	This small incursion, however, caused massive panic and unrest on Terra proper. The Terran anti-Warp defenses failing to prevent the opening of a rift from where Chaos attacks could pour from was a major concern, and some argued that Guilliman should stay to defend Terra. But the Primarch knew that to prevent the situation from going completely bad he had to bring the fight to the enemy. His forces set out from the centre of the Imperium, course set for the hundreds of planets either under siege or already conquered by the Ruinous Powers. During all of this, the Astronomicon was not working properly, constantly flickering and making Warp jumps a pretty risky move. And considering Guilliman's Crusade used almost half of the Navy Fleet in Segmentum Solar, they had to do very short jumps, slowing the beginning of the Crusade down considerably.		This small incursion, however, caused massive panic and unrest on Terra proper. The Terran anti-Warp defenses failing to prevent the opening of a rift from where Chaos attacks could pour from was a major concern, and some argued that Guilliman should stay to defend Terra. But the Primarch knew that to prevent the situation from going completely bad he had to bring the fight to the enemy. His forces set out from the centre of the Imperium, course set for the hundreds of planets either under siege or already conquered by the Ruinous Powers. During all of this, the Astronomicon was not working properly, constantly flickering and making Warp jumps a pretty risky move. And considering Guilliman's Crusade used almost half of the Navy Fleet in Segmentum Solar, they had to do very short jumps, slowing the beginning of the Crusade down considerably.