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1d4chan>HorribleLittleBird: Added Military Orders to the 'avoid' list.

2020-07-25T21:18:19Z

Added Military Orders to the 'avoid' list.

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	* '''JSA''' - the Uprising folks are a dynamic and...unstable army to play as. They can be a lot of fun, but use a lot of finesse and combos that may be hard to immediately wrap your head around. If you like the models, try something like Ikari Co. instead.		* '''JSA''' - the Uprising folks are a dynamic and...unstable army to play as. They can be a lot of fun, but use a lot of finesse and combos that may be hard to immediately wrap your head around. If you like the models, try something like Ikari Co. instead.
	*'''Spiral Corps''' - These bad boys (and girls) have a completely different power curve to everyone else that looks like it'll be super interesting, but also hard to teach. Consider vanilla Tohaa, or Combined Army instead.		*'''Spiral Corps''' - These bad boys (and girls) have a completely different power curve to everyone else that looks like it'll be super interesting, but also hard to teach. Consider vanilla Tohaa, or Combined Army instead.
	*'''Druze''' - While a super fluffy army, and with access to some interesting toys and combos, they're a bit of a high skill cap army. Consider Ramah or Dhashat.		*'''Druze''' - While a super fluffy army, and with access to some interesting toys and combos, they're a bit of a high skill cap army. Consider Ramah or Dhashat. Many players dislike their extreme lack of list flexibility and find them samey. They're also fragile.
	*'''Shasvastii''' - These guys are amazing, but their ebb-and-flow sacrificial play style can be tricky to get feeling right. Instead, try out Vanilla Combined (with some Shas troops).		*'''Shasvastii''' - These guys are amazing, but their ebb-and-flow sacrificial play style can be tricky to get feeling right. Instead, try out Vanilla Combined (with some Shas troops).
			*'''Military Orders''': Space knights are cool, but they're points-heavy, tricky to build lists for, and lack shiny toys. Their use requires a very risky, very calculated playstyle that emphasizes aggression in a game where overextending is a death sentence.

	==Useful Tips==		==Useful Tips==

2620:1E2:20:4200:A512:32EF:66F8:DD02: /* Useful Tips */

2019-12-18T18:20:00Z

Useful Tips

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	**If your opponent has a TO camo model, in your weapon's bad range, in cover (or, worse, Surprise Shot) then you should Dodge. Rolling on a 1 or 2 to hit are bad odds.		**If your opponent has a TO camo model, in your weapon's bad range, in cover (or, worse, Surprise Shot) then you should Dodge. Rolling on a 1 or 2 to hit are bad odds.
	**Be a bit more careful with 1 wound models you don't intend as ARO pieces. Saving an active piece by getting it behind cover, or forcing your enemy into LOF of your ARO piece can be worth the dodge attempt. Just remember that it's risky.		**Be a bit more careful with 1 wound models you don't intend as ARO pieces. Saving an active piece by getting it behind cover, or forcing your enemy into LOF of your ARO piece can be worth the dodge attempt. Just remember that it's risky.
			*'''Hide what you can''': unless it's a dedicated ARO piece, start out trying to hide your stuff. Most players are good at removing things left out to ARO.
			** If you're wondering whether a unit can ARO, make sure it can do one of the following:
			***Shoot at +3 in the firelane it's pointed at (range is a huge issue)
			***Make sure it can be in cover from the firelanes it's looking at
			***Either fires a really dangerous main weapon (Missile Launcher, Rockets, Sniper rifle, etc...) or several dice at once
			***You can lose it and still go about your day without worrying
			**You <b>will</b> lose your ARO pieces; that's what they're in the game for. Make sure they eat up some of your opponent's orders first.

	==Metagame Advice==		==Metagame Advice==

1d4chan>Ayaxs: Dahshat

2019-06-07T15:30:09Z

Dahshat

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	* '''JSA''' - the Uprising folks are a dynamic and...unstable army to play as. They can be a lot of fun, but use a lot of finesse and combos that may be hard to immediately wrap your head around. If you like the models, try something like Ikari Co. instead.		* '''JSA''' - the Uprising folks are a dynamic and...unstable army to play as. They can be a lot of fun, but use a lot of finesse and combos that may be hard to immediately wrap your head around. If you like the models, try something like Ikari Co. instead.
	*'''Spiral Corps''' - These bad boys (and girls) have a completely different power curve to everyone else that looks like it'll be super interesting, but also hard to teach. Consider vanilla Tohaa, or Combined Army instead.		*'''Spiral Corps''' - These bad boys (and girls) have a completely different power curve to everyone else that looks like it'll be super interesting, but also hard to teach. Consider vanilla Tohaa, or Combined Army instead.
	*'''Druze''' - While a super fluffy army, and with access to some interesting toys and combos, they're a bit of a high skill cap army. Consider Ramah or ~~Dashat~~.		*'''Druze''' - While a super fluffy army, and with access to some interesting toys and combos, they're a bit of a high skill cap army. Consider Ramah or Dhashat.
	*'''Shasvastii''' - These guys are amazing, but their ebb-and-flow sacrificial play style can be tricky to get feeling right. Instead, try out Vanilla Combined (with some Shas troops).		*'''Shasvastii''' - These guys are amazing, but their ebb-and-flow sacrificial play style can be tricky to get feeling right. Instead, try out Vanilla Combined (with some Shas troops).

1d4chan>Idaeus: /* Beginner Advice */

2019-04-12T13:38:01Z

Beginner Advice

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	*'''Corners and Doors''': That's where they get you. Peek out around corners enough to see a single target and shoot with as many bonuses and as many dice as possible. Weight the odds in your favor instead of attempting risky shots that 'might' pay off.		*'''Corners and Doors''': That's where they get you. Peek out around corners enough to see a single target and shoot with as many bonuses and as many dice as possible. Weight the odds in your favor instead of attempting risky shots that 'might' pay off.
	*'''Paramedics can't heal''': Go for a doctor if you really want to try healing your multi-wound models when they go unconscious. Paramedics are good for pushing buttons and tagging the HVT, but will kill your guys with their medkits more often than not.		*'''Paramedics can't heal''': Go for a doctor if you really want to try healing your multi-wound models when they go unconscious. Paramedics are good for pushing buttons and tagging the HVT, but will kill your guys with their medkits more often than not.

			If you're looking for a 'beginner friendly' faction, most are a good idea. The proliferation of 300 point boxes may make it feel like they would also be a good jumping-in point, but they're probably not something you want to get as an initial purchase. Likewise, just because you're losing with a new faction repeatedly doesn't mean they're "bad" per-se. They just might not match your play style, or have units that look super enticing but act as gameplay traps that you might not be aware of yet.

			Instead, here's a good list of what to avoid as a new player:
			* '''JSA''' - the Uprising folks are a dynamic and...unstable army to play as. They can be a lot of fun, but use a lot of finesse and combos that may be hard to immediately wrap your head around. If you like the models, try something like Ikari Co. instead.
			*'''Spiral Corps''' - These bad boys (and girls) have a completely different power curve to everyone else that looks like it'll be super interesting, but also hard to teach. Consider vanilla Tohaa, or Combined Army instead.
			*'''Druze''' - While a super fluffy army, and with access to some interesting toys and combos, they're a bit of a high skill cap army. Consider Ramah or Dashat.
			*'''Shasvastii''' - These guys are amazing, but their ebb-and-flow sacrificial play style can be tricky to get feeling right. Instead, try out Vanilla Combined (with some Shas troops).

	==Useful Tips==		==Useful Tips==

151.95.122.229: /* Metagame Advice */

2019-02-16T16:39:12Z

Metagame Advice

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	* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.		* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.

	* '''Orders equal actions:''' Basically ~~its~~ important to have order monkeys or cheerleaders; units that are cheap and provide orders for good units to use for multiple activations. Losing cheerleaders means reducing the amount of actions you can use in a turn, which leads to your units doing all the work being less effective. So always have a nice blob of orders on the table in the form of a few cheap regular units. Don't take many Irregulars unless they have Impetuous or other ways to be action efficient. By the same token if you get the opportunity to wipe your opponent's cheerleaders early, take it because its a very difficult position to play from. This is doubly important for Rambo builds with TAGs because hitting the order pool before going after the TAG restricts its ability to back out of crossfire traps. A good recommendation is to have 8+ Regular Orders in your order pool when starting out. Some factions get good filler units, like 4 point Netrods for Aleph, which are an excellent way to squeeze more orders into a list.		* '''Orders equal actions:''' Basically it's important to have order monkeys or cheerleaders; units that are cheap and provide orders for good units to use for multiple activations. Losing cheerleaders means reducing the amount of actions you can use in a turn, which leads to your units doing all the work being less effective. So always have a nice blob of orders on the table in the form of a few cheap regular units. Don't take many Irregulars unless they have Impetuous or other ways to be action efficient. By the same token if you get the opportunity to wipe your opponent's cheerleaders early, take it because its a very difficult position to play from. This is doubly important for Rambo builds with TAGs because hitting the order pool before going after the TAG restricts its ability to back out of crossfire traps. A good recommendation is to have 8+ Regular Orders in your order pool when starting out. Some factions get good filler units, like 4 point Netrods for Aleph, which are an excellent way to squeeze more orders into a list.

	* '''Hacking with a purpose:''' Don't just throw hackers into a list if you aren't Nomads or Aleph. Hackers are versatile, but having a hacker should be for a reason, such as fielding/buffing remotes or dealing with HI/TAGs. In some cases, such as Myrmidons, Ekdromoi, Ninja, and Aragoto, the hacker is the only specialist profile on a troop that can deliver itself to an objective. Hacking is a good way to disrupt an opponent's game plan, so be prepared to face it, especially when playing Nomads as they have some of the most powerful hackers. Also keep an eye for units with high BTS values, eg -6. Having a few hardened units can make a difference against someone with multiple hackers.		* '''Hacking with a purpose:''' Don't just throw hackers into a list if you aren't Nomads or Aleph. Hackers are versatile, but having a hacker should be for a reason, such as fielding/buffing remotes or dealing with HI/TAGs. In some cases, such as Myrmidons, Ekdromoi, Ninja, and Aragoto, the hacker is the only specialist profile on a troop that can deliver itself to an objective. Hacking is a good way to disrupt an opponent's game plan, so be prepared to face it, especially when playing Nomads as they have some of the most powerful hackers. Also keep an eye for units with high BTS values, eg -6. Having a few hardened units can make a difference against someone with multiple hackers.

82.25.20.4: /* Metagame Advice */

2019-02-13T22:16:13Z

Metagame Advice

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	==Metagame Advice==		==Metagame Advice==

	* '''Specialists - Love the FO:''' So one particular thing is that only specialists can interact with generic objectives and only specific specialists with specific objectives. This is important because its possible to table a player in the final turn and lose because they scored objectives and you just wasted time killing shit. This means playing the scenario takes priority over just killing shit and because of this you need to have a few specialists in your list. Chain of Command, Hacker, Doctor, Engineer are fine except they often cost a premium in points or charge you precious SWC, the Forward Observer on the other hand frequently comes as a variant of the base version of a unit with no cost or a very minor increase which means you should have at least 1 in a list with one other type of specialist. The Flash Pulse that comes with it is also likely going to give your line trooper better survivability in the reactive turn than AROing with their rifle (due to WIP generally being a point or two higher than BS and it having longer range).		* '''Specialists - Love the FO:''' So one particular thing is that only specialists can interact with generic objectives and only specific specialists with specific objectives. This is important because its possible to table a player in the final turn and lose because they scored objectives and you just wasted time killing shit. This means playing the scenario takes priority over just killing shit and because of this you need to have a few specialists in your list. Chain of Command, Hacker, Doctor, Engineer are fine except they often cost a premium in points or charge you precious SWC, the Forward Observer on the other hand frequently comes as a variant of the base version of a unit with no cost or a very minor increase which means you should have at least 1 in a list with one other type of specialist.
			**The Flash Pulse that comes with it also shouldn't be overlooked as, while non-lethal, it's likely going to give your line trooper better survivability in the reactive turn than AROing with their rifle due to WIP generally being a point or two higher than BS and the pulse having longer range.

	* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.		* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.

82.25.20.4: /* Metagame Advice */

2019-02-13T22:14:48Z

Metagame Advice

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	==Metagame Advice==		==Metagame Advice==

	* '''Specialists - Love the FO:''' So one particular thing is that only specialists can interact with generic objectives and only specific specialists with specific objectives. This is important because its possible to table a player in the final turn and lose because they scored objectives and you just wasted time killing shit. This means playing the scenario takes priority over just killing shit and because of this you need to have a few specialists in your list. Chain of Command, Hacker, Doctor, Engineer are fine except they often cost a premium in points or charge you precious SWC, the Forward Observer on the other hand frequently comes as a variant of the base version of a unit with no cost or a very minor increase which means you should have at least 1 in a list with one other type of specialist.		* '''Specialists - Love the FO:''' So one particular thing is that only specialists can interact with generic objectives and only specific specialists with specific objectives. This is important because its possible to table a player in the final turn and lose because they scored objectives and you just wasted time killing shit. This means playing the scenario takes priority over just killing shit and because of this you need to have a few specialists in your list. Chain of Command, Hacker, Doctor, Engineer are fine except they often cost a premium in points or charge you precious SWC, the Forward Observer on the other hand frequently comes as a variant of the base version of a unit with no cost or a very minor increase which means you should have at least 1 in a list with one other type of specialist. The Flash Pulse that comes with it is also likely going to give your line trooper better survivability in the reactive turn than AROing with their rifle (due to WIP generally being a point or two higher than BS and it having longer range).

	* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.		* '''TAGs define their matchups:''' This one is simple; if you don't have anti-TAG options built into your list you won't beat TAGs. TAGs are a tradeoff, they cost a lot and draw lots of fire, but are tough and can take out whole teams if they positioned poorly. TAGs can be beaten by other TAGs, but infantry need Adhesive launchers, hacking, panzerfausts, heavy rocket launchers or really high strength AP+EXP weapons to break TAGs. Because you can't guarantee that you won't bump into a Cutter or Avatar, anticipate a TAG list or be prepared to concede.

1d4chan>Idaeus: adding 'useful tips'

2018-06-08T14:24:02Z

adding 'useful tips'

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	*'''Corners and Doors''': That's where they get you. Peek out around corners enough to see a single target and shoot with as many bonuses and as many dice as possible. Weight the odds in your favor instead of attempting risky shots that 'might' pay off.		*'''Corners and Doors''': That's where they get you. Peek out around corners enough to see a single target and shoot with as many bonuses and as many dice as possible. Weight the odds in your favor instead of attempting risky shots that 'might' pay off.
	*'''Paramedics can't heal''': Go for a doctor if you really want to try healing your multi-wound models when they go unconscious. Paramedics are good for pushing buttons and tagging the HVT, but will kill your guys with their medkits more often than not.		*'''Paramedics can't heal''': Go for a doctor if you really want to try healing your multi-wound models when they go unconscious. Paramedics are good for pushing buttons and tagging the HVT, but will kill your guys with their medkits more often than not.

			==Useful Tips==
			*'''Burst is your friend''': it's easy to forget with all the tempting bonuses and negative modifiers, but if you have the choice between an extra +3 or an extra d20 in a typical opposed roll, pick the extra d20.
			**some situations (like trying to get below a 5 on a d20) can negate this advice, but it's a good rule of thumb if you're waffling.
			*'''Shoot back''': In ARO, your shot and your dodge will likely be about the same target number. Take the shot. It gives you a chance to damage the opposing model, and your ARO pieces are there to soak up enemy orders. You might get lucky.
			**If your opponent has a TO camo model, in your weapon's bad range, in cover (or, worse, Surprise Shot) then you should Dodge. Rolling on a 1 or 2 to hit are bad odds.
			**Be a bit more careful with 1 wound models you don't intend as ARO pieces. Saving an active piece by getting it behind cover, or forcing your enemy into LOF of your ARO piece can be worth the dodge attempt. Just remember that it's risky.

	==Metagame Advice==		==Metagame Advice==