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1d4chan>Skadooshbag at 00:23, 8 March 2021

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	Iron Heart Surge can do this because of some of [[RAW\|the most spectacularly bad wording]] prior to the inception of the [[Pyrovore]]. It was intended to copy the age-old [[anime]] move where the user yells and flexes their ways out of a bind. The problem is that IHS is a maneuver, something you need to be able to take a Move Action for. And if you're, say, tied up, paralyzed or stuck in a web you cannot move and as such cannot use IHS. But because of its wording it can do a lot more than intended...		Iron Heart Surge can do this because of some of [[RAW\|the most spectacularly bad wording]] prior to the inception of the [[Pyrovore]]. It was intended to copy the age-old [[anime]] move where the user yells and flexes their ways out of a bind. The problem is that IHS is a maneuver, something you need to be able to take a Move Action for. And if you're, say, tied up, paralyzed or stuck in a web you cannot move and as such cannot use IHS. But because of its wording it can do a lot more than intended...

	The IHS lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the effect. Because of the particular wording, it could be argued that "sunlight" is an effect, just to give an example, allowing you to stop the sun from producing light. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.		The IHS lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the effect. But like Thanos' Reality Stone, the limitations are so vaguely defined that it's incredibly overpowered in practice. Because of the particular wording, it could be argued that "sunlight" is an effect, just to give an example, allowing you to stop the sun from producing light. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.

	It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out. Also, remember that aging is arguably an effect, and that you can thus remove the concept of time from existence.		It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out. Also, remember that aging is arguably an effect, and that you can thus remove the concept of time from existence.

73.41.249.220 at 23:55, 13 October 2020

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	The '''exact''' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about purging the ''source'' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you ''could'' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).		The '''exact''' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about purging the ''source'' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you ''could'' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:~~Game Books~~]][[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Roleplaying]][[Category:Meme]]

1d4chan>Urist at 03:09, 22 April 2020

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	The IHS lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the effect. Because of the particular wording, it could be argued that "sunlight" is an effect, just to give an example, allowing you to stop the sun from producing light. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.		The IHS lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the effect. Because of the particular wording, it could be argued that "sunlight" is an effect, just to give an example, allowing you to stop the sun from producing light. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.

	It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out.		It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out. Also, remember that aging is arguably an effect, and that you can thus remove the concept of time from existence.

	Some argue that you can also use this to kill monsters with: get swallowed whole by a Purple Worm, get dealt ongoing acid damage, use IHS and BAM! Purple Worm's gone (though a smart [[GM]] would argue that only the acid disappears). Force-feed yourself to the [[Tarrasque]] and FLEX YOUR WAY INTO LEGEND. Abbreviation 'IHS', is incidentally also a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram#Western_Christianity Christogram] - implying that you're FLEXING WITH THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST and not your own.		Some argue that you can also use this to kill monsters with: get swallowed whole by a Purple Worm, get dealt ongoing acid damage, use IHS and BAM! Purple Worm's gone (though a smart [[GM]] would argue that only the acid disappears). Force-feed yourself to the [[Tarrasque]] and FLEX YOUR WAY INTO LEGEND. Abbreviation 'IHS', is incidentally also a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram#Western_Christianity Christogram] - implying that you're FLEXING WITH THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST and not your own.

1d4chan>NathanielPrime at 09:11, 2 June 2019

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	Iron Heart Surge can do this because of some of [[RAW\|the most spectacularly bad wording]] prior to the inception of the [[Pyrovore]]. It was intended to copy the age-old [[anime]] move where the user yells and flexes their ways out of a bind. The problem is that IHS is a maneuver, something you need to be able to take a Move Action for. And if you're, say, tied up, paralyzed or stuck in a web you cannot move and as such cannot use IHS. But because of its wording it can do a lot more than intended...		Iron Heart Surge can do this because of some of [[RAW\|the most spectacularly bad wording]] prior to the inception of the [[Pyrovore]]. It was intended to copy the age-old [[anime]] move where the user yells and flexes their ways out of a bind. The problem is that IHS is a maneuver, something you need to be able to take a Move Action for. And if you're, say, tied up, paralyzed or stuck in a web you cannot move and as such cannot use IHS. But because of its wording it can do a lot more than intended...

	The IHS ~~essentially~~ lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the ~~source of this~~ effect. ~~Not~~ the effect ~~itself: its ''source''~~. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.		The IHS lets you pick any ongoing effect or condition affecting you and end the effect. Because of the particular wording, it could be argued that "sunlight" is an effect, just to give an example, allowing you to stop the sun from producing light. Instantaneous things like fireballs and one-time damage cannot be targeted, but as long as it lasts longer than one turn (including permanent effects) and does not stop you from moving you can end the source of something bad happening to you. This means that if you're caught in a blizzard that deals cold damage over time or in a desert which hurts you to dehydrate, all you need to do is a good old Iron Heart Surge and the blizzard vanishes and the desert no longer deals heat damage. It can also be used to remove poison or disease ("Yes, Timmy. It's your fault that you're dying of cancer at age seven. You should have dipped Warblade") but negating Antimagic Fields or Cloudkill spells is nothing short of bizarre.

	It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out.		It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out.

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No fun allowed

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	==No fun allowed==		==No fun allowed==

	The '''exact''' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about ~~being~~ purging the 'source' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you ''could'' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).		The '''exact''' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about purging the ''source'' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you ''could'' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]

98.110.16.101: /* No fun allowed */

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No fun allowed

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	==No fun allowed==		==No fun allowed==

	The ''exact'' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about being purging the 'source' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you 'could' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).		The '''exact''' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about being purging the 'source' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you ''could'' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]

98.110.16.101: This is not quite as exploitable as people usually think.

2019-03-15T02:51:58Z

This is not quite as exploitable as people usually think.

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	[http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1027569/ /tg/ talks about IHS and how to abuse it]		[http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1027569/ /tg/ talks about IHS and how to abuse it]


	This likely would have been smashed in errata... if Tome of Battle had actual errata. By the point errata came along for Tome of Battle it was clear Wizards just did not care about 3.5 anymore so the published errata for ''Tome of Battle'' just ends in the middle then becomes a copy of the errata from ''a completely different book''.		This likely would have been smashed in errata... if Tome of Battle had actual errata. By the point errata came along for Tome of Battle it was clear Wizards just did not care about 3.5 anymore so the published errata for ''Tome of Battle'' just ends in the middle then becomes a copy of the errata from ''a completely different book''.

	Dreamscarred Press's version of ''Tome of Battle'' for [[Pathfinder]], ''Path of War'', has ''two'' versions of Iron Heart Surge: Sanguine Perfection and Temporal Body Adjustment. These differ enough they actually makes sense. Firstly Pathfinder actually defines "condition" [https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions/ as a narrow 34 items], with ''Path of War'' adding a few more. Secondly Sanguine Perfection goes one step further and only lets you nullify a white list of certain conditions while Temporal Body Adjustment is from an explicitly supernatural discipline based on time manipulation. Thirdly they only nullify the effect on you, not ending the actual source.		Dreamscarred Press's version of ''Tome of Battle'' for [[Pathfinder]], ''Path of War'', has ''two'' versions of Iron Heart Surge: Sanguine Perfection and Temporal Body Adjustment. These differ enough they actually makes sense. Firstly Pathfinder actually defines "condition" [https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions/ as a narrow 34 items], with ''Path of War'' adding a few more. Secondly Sanguine Perfection goes one step further and only lets you nullify a white list of certain conditions while Temporal Body Adjustment is from an explicitly supernatural discipline based on time manipulation. Thirdly they only nullify the effect on you, not ending the actual source.

			==No fun allowed==

			The ''exact'' wording of this ability is as follows: "When you use this maneuver, select one spell, effect or other condition currently affecting you and with a duration of one or more rounds. That effect ends immediately." The text does not say ''anything'' about being purging the 'source' of said effect, just ending what is applied to you. It's pretty clear that this does not allow you to blow up the sun by ending heat stroke or destroying the Tarrasque from within. If you use it to purge yourself of the effects of cloudkill, heatstroke or freezing to death, you'll just get struck with it again just by being in the vicinity (Though you 'could' use it to get a reroll to your saving throw).

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]

1d4chan>Agiletek at 07:43, 11 October 2018

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	It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out.		It can even alter effects such as being blinded by the the sun: look into it, use IHS and BAM! Sun's gone. Fell into the ocean and started to drown? IHS and BAM! Ocean's gone. Make sure to bring something that mitigates falling if you do this. Go to the Elemental Plane of Fire and start taking fire damage? IHS and BAM! Fire's out.

	Some argue that you can also use this to kill monsters with: get swallowed whole by a Purple Worm, get dealt ongoing acid damage, use IHS and BAM! Purple Worm's gone (though a smart [[GM]] would argue that only the acid disappears). Force-feed yourself to the [[Tarrasque]] and FLEX YOUR WAY INTO LEGEND.		Some argue that you can also use this to kill monsters with: get swallowed whole by a Purple Worm, get dealt ongoing acid damage, use IHS and BAM! Purple Worm's gone (though a smart [[GM]] would argue that only the acid disappears). Force-feed yourself to the [[Tarrasque]] and FLEX YOUR WAY INTO LEGEND. Abbreviation 'IHS', is incidentally also a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram#Western_Christianity Christogram] - implying that you're FLEXING WITH THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST and not your own.

	[http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1027569/ /tg/ talks about IHS and how to abuse it]		[http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/1027569/ /tg/ talks about IHS and how to abuse it]

	~~Abbreviation~~ '~~IHS~~', ~~is incidentally also a~~ [https://en.~~wikipedia~~.~~org~~/~~wiki~~/~~Christogram#Western_Christianity Christogram~~] ~~- implying that you~~'~~re FLEXING WITH THE POWER OF JESUS CHRIST~~ and not ~~your own~~.		This likely would have been smashed in errata... if Tome of Battle had actual errata. By the point errata came along for Tome of Battle it was clear Wizards just did not care about 3.5 anymore so the published errata for ''Tome of Battle'' just ends in the middle then becomes a copy of the errata from ''a completely different book''.

			Dreamscarred Press's version of ''Tome of Battle'' for [[Pathfinder]], ''Path of War'', has ''two'' versions of Iron Heart Surge: Sanguine Perfection and Temporal Body Adjustment. These differ enough they actually makes sense. Firstly Pathfinder actually defines "condition" [https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions/ as a narrow 34 items], with ''Path of War'' adding a few more. Secondly Sanguine Perfection goes one step further and only lets you nullify a white list of certain conditions while Temporal Body Adjustment is from an explicitly supernatural discipline based on time manipulation. Thirdly they only nullify the effect on you, not ending the actual source.

	[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]		[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]][[Category:Game Books]][[Category:Meme]]