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	However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.		However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.

	Both variants of the Jaguar were maintained until the conclusion of the Cold War in the early 90's. With the reunification of Germany and the reorganization of the Bundeswehr where was no pressing need for ~~a dated~~, dedicated anti-tank ~~specialist~~ and so both variants were retired and replaced by the Puma and Marder IFVs which can be equipped with the Israeli MELLS.		Both variants of the Jaguar were maintained until the conclusion of the Cold War in the early 90's. With the reunification of Germany and the reorganization of the Bundeswehr where was no pressing need for an aged, dedicated anti-tank vehicle and so both variants were retired and replaced by the Puma and Marder IFVs which can be equipped with the Israeli MELLS.

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	However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.		However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.

			Both variants of the Jaguar were maintained until the conclusion of the Cold War in the early 90's. With the reunification of Germany and the reorganization of the Bundeswehr where was no pressing need for a dated, dedicated anti-tank specialist and so both variants were retired and replaced by the Puma and Marder IFVs which can be equipped with the Israeli MELLS.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

	[[Category:Vehicles]]		[[Category:Vehicles]]

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	[[File:Austrian Jaguars.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|A pair of Austrian Jaguars on exercise]]		[[File:Austrian Jaguars.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|A pair of Austrian Jaguars on exercise]]
	As you can imagine, after their experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a ~~Patton's~~ 90mm cannon. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm.		As you can imagine, after their experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a Rheinmetall BK90 90mm/L40 cannon based on the 90mm gun in US tanks from the 1950s. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment, despite the fact that they remained in service until 1990. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm, as an alternative to mounting 105mm guns in the Jagdpanzer chassis, as was proposed in the 1970s.

	However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.		However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.

2001:16B8:116C:B500:1976:DCFE:5B4B:A71F: /* IRL */

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	As you can imagine, after their experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a Patton's 90mm cannon. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm.		As you can imagine, after their experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a Patton's 90mm cannon. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm.

	However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''~~Bundeswher~~'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.		However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswehr'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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1d4chan>Catnip212: /* In Team Yankee */

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	With the Leopard 2's forte in anti-armor engagements, the Jaguar 1 can be considered redundant. However, the Jaguar 2 has a niche role in the panzergrenadier Kompanie: plinking at enemy armor alongside Milan missile teams.		With the Leopard 2's forte in anti-armor engagements, the Jaguar 1 can be considered redundant. However, the Jaguar 2 has a niche role in the panzergrenadier Kompanie: plinking at enemy armor alongside Milan missile teams.

	Ultimately, there is little reason to bring in Jaguars. Given West Germany's assortment of anti-armor options in more efficient packages like the Tornado or the Milan, it can be considered a fluff choice at best and qualifies for the 1/5 slot, given its fragility and high-cost inefficiency.		Ultimately, there is little reason to bring in Jaguars. Given West Germany's assortment of anti-armor options in more efficient packages like the Tornado or the Milan, it can be considered a fluff choice at best and qualifies for the 1/5 slot, given its fragility and high-cost inefficiency. At games below 30 points, the Jaguar is a utility unit that performs well against NATO lists with its missile punching through Generation 3 tanks without much problems. Forward defence lets you use these units in ambush, meaning that you will get at least one full volley off before they take fire. Unlike the Swingfire and Hammerhead, these things do not stay concealed after firing and their 9 armour will not save you from enemy tank shells. It will protect you from IFV cannons like the BMP-1 and the Scorpion, however!

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	[[File:Austrian Jaguars.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|A pair of Austrian Jaguars on exercise]]		[[File:Austrian Jaguars.jpg\|300px\|right\|thumb\|A pair of Austrian Jaguars on exercise]]
	As you can imagine, after ~~there~~ experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a Patton's 90mm cannon. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm.		As you can imagine, after their experience in world war 2 with successful vehicles such as the Stug, Hetzer and Jagdpanzer, German designers did not completely reject the turret less tank destroyer the way most other nations did after the war. This is why in the cold war the West Germans developed the (not in team Yankee yet) ''Kanonenjagdpanzer'' which was armed with a Patton's 90mm cannon. However when the Soviets started to deploy T-64's and T-72's, the 90mm proved too light to be useful, which may go some way to explain why the ''Kanonen'' is AWOL in team yankee at this moment. To compensate for this deficiency the ''Raketenjagdpanzer 4 Jaguar'' was developed to mount the French developed HOT missile which was exponentially more powerful than the old 90mm.

	However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswher'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.		However, now that the new Jaguar was in use, the ''Bundeswher'' was left with a bunch of the old ''Kanonenjagdpanzers'' that were now obsolete. Rather than scrap the lot, these vehicles were converted into Jaguar 2s by yanking out the 90mm and mounting the American made TOW missile system, which was less capable than the HOT missile, but required less specialized fire controls.

1d4chan>The Hat That Was at 11:52, 11 October 2018

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1d4chan>Catnip212: /* In Team Yankee */

2018-09-03T05:50:00Z

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	[[File:Jaguar Jagdpanzer 1 card.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|]]		[[File:Jaguar Jagdpanzer 1 card.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|]]
	[[File:Jaguar Jagdpanzer 2 card.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|Das Stats]]		[[File:Jaguar Jagdpanzer 2 card.jpg\|300px\|left\|thumb\|Das Stats]]
	Both versions of the Jaguar Jagdpanzer are ~~quiet~~ capable tank hunters in Team Yankee, ~~though~~ the ~~difference between~~ the two, ~~both~~ in ~~how they are played and how they operate~~, is ~~so minimal that they honestly don~~'~~t deserve independent pages~~.		Both versions of the Jaguar Jagdpanzer are capable but overcosted tank hunters in Team Yankee, with the differences being minimal. Adapted from the Jagdpanzer 90mm chassis, the Jaguar 2 uses the older I-TOW ATGM and employs a manual loading system with a poor guy loading fresh missiles from the hatch. Conversely, Jaguar 1 uses the HOT missile along with a mechanical autoloader.

			Jaguar 2s are part of the Marder panzergrenadier Kompanie and cost 3 points for two or 5 points for three.

			Jaguar 1s are part of the Leopard 2 Panzer Kompanie and cost 4 points for two or 6 points for three.

			With the Leopard 2's forte in anti-armor engagements, the Jaguar 1 can be considered redundant. However, the Jaguar 2 has a niche role in the panzergrenadier Kompanie: plinking at enemy armor alongside Milan missile teams.

			Ultimately, there is little reason to bring in Jaguars. Given West Germany's assortment of anti-armor options in more efficient packages like the Tornado or the Milan, it can be considered a fluff choice at best and qualifies for the 1/5 slot, given its fragility and high-cost inefficiency.

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