KV - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 7 revisions imported

2023-06-21T16:10:12Z

7 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 16:10, 21 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-19T02:23:36Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 02:23, 19 June 2023
(No difference)

2A02:A03F:C17D:A400:310E:5498:388A:7D8D: /* In Real Life */

2023-01-01T17:00:05Z

In Real Life

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:00, 1 January 2023
Line 27:		Line 27:
	Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], was ''en vogue''. The T-28 and T-35 are both the results of this philosophy.		Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], was ''en vogue''. The T-28 and T-35 are both the results of this philosophy.

	During the purges, one of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky himself, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim''was alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championing tanks, was put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:		During the purges, one of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky himself, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim'' was alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championing tanks and he was put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:
	* one to replace the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)		* one to replace the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)
	* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.		* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.

1d4chan>Lord Of The Lemmings: /* In Real Life */ I hope I kept the spirit of the article while cutting down the bloat.

2022-07-13T16:19:32Z

In Real Life: I hope I kept the spirit of the article while cutting down the bloat.

1d4chan>Rocko1345: Some fool forgot to add the template, and lot's of grammar and wordcount checking

2022-05-11T14:39:39Z

Some fool forgot to add the template, and lot's of grammar and wordcount checking

2A02:A03F:C17D:A400:694E:BFD:991E:64BB at 11:40, 18 February 2022

2022-02-18T11:40:30Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:40, 18 February 2022
Line 21:		Line 21:
	All right. Buckle up people, because just like with his successor the [[IS-2]] there is a lot to be told about this one too!		All right. Buckle up people, because just like with his successor the [[IS-2]] there is a lot to be told about this one too!

	To understand the origin of the KV series of tanks, one needs to start in 1926. The Reds wanted to modernise their armies, and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky ~~draweed~~ up a plan to ~~modernise the Red Army~~. Something of a visionary, Tukhachevsky in his ''Field Regulations of 1929'' (amongst many other things) saw three main roles for tanks on the battlefield, and accordingly the need for three classes of machines:		To understand the origin of the KV series of tanks, one needs to start in 1926. The Reds wanted to modernise their armies, and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky drawed up a plan to do exactly that. Something of a visionary, Tukhachevsky in his ''Field Regulations of 1929'' (amongst many other things) saw three main roles for tanks on the battlefield, and accordingly the need for three classes of machines:
	* Infantry tanks, whose main role is to support the infantry directly. Those need not go very fast and be armed with howitzers and machine guns and be reasonably well armored.		* Infantry tanks, whose main role is to support the infantry directly. Those need not go very fast and be armed with howitzers and machine guns and be reasonably well armored.
	* Fast tanks, who need to flank, envelop and strike at the enemy's rear: artillery, airfields, logistical lines and command centres. Speed is of the essence, along with decent firepower.		* Fast tanks, who need to flank, envelop and strike at the enemy's rear: artillery, airfields, logistical lines and command centres. Speed is of the essence, along with decent firepower.
Line 36:		Line 36:
	The KV-1... was not a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce that the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armour. Lots of armour that was evenly placed all-around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them actually made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created in order to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.		The KV-1... was not a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce that the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armour. Lots of armour that was evenly placed all-around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them actually made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created in order to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.

	By 1942, however, the Krauts had learned their lessons and were bringing bigger guns up to deal with the T-34's and KV-1's. [[Fail\|Kotin then doubled down and started adding extra appliqué armour to the base KV model, creating the KV-1E (E standing for ''Ekranami'', with extra armor)]]. Now, adding weight to an already strained chassis was [[derp\|really not a good idea]] and the KV1-E... was still a tough nut to ~~ctrack~~ but even more of a maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead. [[Herp\|~~Undaunted~~, Kotin kept trying to add more armor and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes that weren't ever approved for production.]] The only one that made it in small numbers was the KV-8, that had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower in order to fry the damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers.		By 1942, however, the Krauts had learned their lessons and were bringing bigger guns up to deal with the T-34's and KV-1's. [[Fail\|Kotin then doubled down and started adding extra appliqué armour to the base KV model, creating the KV-1E (E standing for ''Ekranami'', with extra armor)]]. Now, adding weight to an already strained chassis without upgrading the engine and transmission was [[derp\|really not a good idea]] and the KV1-E... was still a tough nut to crack for the Germans but even more of a maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead. [[Herp\|Tripling down, Kotin kept trying to add more armor and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes that weren't ever approved for production.]] The only one that made it in small numbers was the KV-8 variant, that had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower in order to fry the damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers during assaults.

	Soon enough Stalin's ears were buzzing with complaints about the KV tank, and Kotin ~~saw~~ the noose tightening around his neck. He thus put one of his ambitious young engineers forward, Nikolay Shashmurin, and ordered him to "fix" the KV-1. ~~Dtalin~~ agreed to give them a chance, with the condition it should not impeach mass-production (i.e. no completely new design). Shashmurin went to work, read AAR's and interviewed ~~succesful~~ commanders; and came up with a fix: replace the old transmission (based on the one of an old a Caterpillar tractor) with a much improved planetary one similar to those the Germans used, add some quick'n'dirty ergonomical improvements making the life of the crew easier (like a cupola for the tank commander). Finally, he also critically assessed where armor was needed and where it wasn't, and cut out over five tons of 'superflous' steel from the original design. Entered the KV-1S (''Skorostnoy'', ~~Russian for~~ 'speedy').		Soon enough Stalin's ears were buzzing with complaints about the KV tank, and Kotin felt the noose tightening around his neck. He thus put one of his ambitious young engineers forward, Nikolay Shashmurin, and ordered him to "fix" the KV-1. Stalin agreed to give them a chance, with the condition it should not impeach mass-production (i.e. no completely new design). Shashmurin went to work, read AAR's and interviewed successful commanders; and came up with a fix: replace the old transmission (based on the one of an old a Caterpillar tractor) with a much improved planetary one similar to those the Germans used, add some quick'n'dirty ergonomical improvements making the life of the crew easier (like a cupola for the tank commander). Finally, he also critically assessed where armor was really needed and where it wasn't, and cut out most of the extra appliqué armour and over five tons of 'superflous' steel from the original design. Entered the KV-1S (S for ''Skorostnoy'', 'speedy').

	[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] But the cincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armour that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was definitely useful, the thinning-out of the armour called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.		[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] Stalin was satisfied and awarded both Kotin and Shashmurin a prize for their work. But the cincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armour that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was definitely useful, the thinning-out of the armour called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.

	This became so much of a problem than in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard as nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armour park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun and KV-85's rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned successor the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright cancelled them in the sixties.		This became so much of a problem than in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard as nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armour park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun and KV-85's rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned successor the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright cancelled them in the sixties.

2A02:1811:3B7C:6600:F0EC:59E9:196F:DE02: /* In Real Life */

2022-02-15T21:44:06Z

In Real Life

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:44, 15 February 2022
Line 27:		Line 27:
	Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], i.e. multi-turreted tanks that could engage multiple targets at once and either be mobile rally points for the infantry or heavy attackers able to punch through the enemy's battle line was ''en vogue''. A first such tank entered service in the mid-thirties, the T-28. The T-28... worked, but not in its intended role. With a 76mm howitzer, 4 machine guns and rather weak armour; it could not fulfill the role of a breakthrough tank and was quickly relegated to infantry support. Undaunted, the Reds kept going and came up with the much larger and heavier T-35. [[Awesome\|With five turrets, two sporting 40mm AT guns, one with a 76mm howitzer and two with machineguns; it is truly the only ''land battleship'' ever put into production.]] But, for all it was bristling with weapons, the 45-ton heavy monster was plagued with problems: engine and transmission suffered from the excessive weight, and worse, the lessons from Spain showed that the modest armor of ~30mm steel would not stand up to dedicated AT weapons; rendering it useless as a breakthrough tank. [[Fail\|Just like his predecessor, the T-35 wouldn't do.]]		Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], i.e. multi-turreted tanks that could engage multiple targets at once and either be mobile rally points for the infantry or heavy attackers able to punch through the enemy's battle line was ''en vogue''. A first such tank entered service in the mid-thirties, the T-28. The T-28... worked, but not in its intended role. With a 76mm howitzer, 4 machine guns and rather weak armour; it could not fulfill the role of a breakthrough tank and was quickly relegated to infantry support. Undaunted, the Reds kept going and came up with the much larger and heavier T-35. [[Awesome\|With five turrets, two sporting 40mm AT guns, one with a 76mm howitzer and two with machineguns; it is truly the only ''land battleship'' ever put into production.]] But, for all it was bristling with weapons, the 45-ton heavy monster was plagued with problems: engine and transmission suffered from the excessive weight, and worse, the lessons from Spain showed that the modest armor of ~30mm steel would not stand up to dedicated AT weapons; rendering it useless as a breakthrough tank. [[Fail\|Just like his predecessor, the T-35 wouldn't do.]]

	In the meantime however, things had changed in Russia and not for the better. Stalin had decided to [[BLAM\|purge anyone who disagreed with him]], and the Red Army was left in a state of total confusion, with those few remaining high-ups terrified of being next in line. One of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim'', as the Russians nicknamed him was... a complicated man, both in the good and the bad sense. Of importance here is that he alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championed tanks, and he was accordingly put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:		In the meantime however, things had changed in Russia and not for the better. [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Stalin]] had decided to [[BLAM\|purge anyone who disagreed with him]], and the Red Army was left in a state of total confusion, with those few remaining high-ups terrified of being next in line. One of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky himself, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim'', as the Russians nicknamed him was... a complicated man, both in the good and the bad sense. Of importance here is that he alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championed tanks, and he was accordingly put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:
	* one to replace to the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)		* one to replace to the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)
	* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.		* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.
Line 34:		Line 34:
	As luck would have it, Stalin decided to flex his muscles and invade Finland in late 1939, [[derp\|which turned out to be a terrible idea]]. It was however a good occasion to field-test the two designs, and they were sent to support the attack on Summa. At the last moment, Kotin prevailed on Voroshilov to also take two other prototypes of his 'SMK' along, that sported only a single turret but better armor, which he named the ''Kliment Voroshilov'' tank in his honour. [[Rape\|the first battle for Summa didn't go well for the Reds]], and, insult to injury, both the T-100 and the SMK [[fail\|performed abysmally]] during the live test. The KV prototypes, on the other hand, did okay. The Finns lacked any big AT gun to deal with them and they managed to do relatively well for themselves. Voroshilov (the man) saw the writing on the wall and ordered the single-turret model into production just before having a big fall-out with Stalin and getting sidelined. Thus entered the KV-1.		As luck would have it, Stalin decided to flex his muscles and invade Finland in late 1939, [[derp\|which turned out to be a terrible idea]]. It was however a good occasion to field-test the two designs, and they were sent to support the attack on Summa. At the last moment, Kotin prevailed on Voroshilov to also take two other prototypes of his 'SMK' along, that sported only a single turret but better armor, which he named the ''Kliment Voroshilov'' tank in his honour. [[Rape\|the first battle for Summa didn't go well for the Reds]], and, insult to injury, both the T-100 and the SMK [[fail\|performed abysmally]] during the live test. The KV prototypes, on the other hand, did okay. The Finns lacked any big AT gun to deal with them and they managed to do relatively well for themselves. Voroshilov (the man) saw the writing on the wall and ordered the single-turret model into production just before having a big fall-out with Stalin and getting sidelined. Thus entered the KV-1.

	The KV-1... was not a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce that the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armour. Lots of armour that was evenly placed all-around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them actually made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' ~~by the Germans~~ due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created in order to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.		The KV-1... was not a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce that the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armour. Lots of armour that was evenly placed all-around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them actually made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created in order to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.

	By 1942, however, the Krauts had learned their lessons and were bringing bigger guns up to deal with the T-34's and KV-1's. [[Fail\|Kotin then doubled down and started adding extra appliqué armour to the base KV model, creating the KV-1E (E standing for ''Ekranami'', with extra armor)]]. Now, adding weight to an already strained chassis was [[derp\|really not a good idea]] and the KV1-E... was still a tough nut to ctrack but even more of a maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead. [[Herp\|Undaunted, Kotin kept trying to add more armor and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes that weren't ever approved for production.]] The only one that made it in small numbers was the KV-8, that had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower in order to fry the damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers.		By 1942, however, the Krauts had learned their lessons and were bringing bigger guns up to deal with the T-34's and KV-1's. [[Fail\|Kotin then doubled down and started adding extra appliqué armour to the base KV model, creating the KV-1E (E standing for ''Ekranami'', with extra armor)]]. Now, adding weight to an already strained chassis was [[derp\|really not a good idea]] and the KV1-E... was still a tough nut to ctrack but even more of a maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead. [[Herp\|Undaunted, Kotin kept trying to add more armor and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes that weren't ever approved for production.]] The only one that made it in small numbers was the KV-8, that had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower in order to fry the damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers.
Line 42:		Line 42:
	[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] But the cincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armour that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was definitely useful, the thinning-out of the armour called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.		[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] But the cincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armour that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was definitely useful, the thinning-out of the armour called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.

	This became so much of a problem than in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard as nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armour park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun and KV-85's rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned ~~succesor~~ the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright cancelled them in the sixties.		This became so much of a problem than in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard as nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armour park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun and KV-85's rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned successor the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright cancelled them in the sixties.

2A02:1811:3B7C:6600:F0EC:59E9:196F:DE02: Okay. Next up, the T-34 himself!

2022-02-15T21:31:56Z

Okay. Next up, the T-34 himself!

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:31, 15 February 2022
Line 19:		Line 19:

	==In Real Life==		==In Real Life==
			All right. Buckle up people, because just like with his successor the [[IS-2]] there is a lot to be told about this one too!

			To understand the origin of the KV series of tanks, one needs to start in 1926. The Reds wanted to modernise their armies, and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky draweed up a plan to modernise the Red Army. Something of a visionary, Tukhachevsky in his ''Field Regulations of 1929'' (amongst many other things) saw three main roles for tanks on the battlefield, and accordingly the need for three classes of machines:
			* Infantry tanks, whose main role is to support the infantry directly. Those need not go very fast and be armed with howitzers and machine guns and be reasonably well armored.
			* Fast tanks, who need to flank, envelop and strike at the enemy's rear: artillery, airfields, logistical lines and command centres. Speed is of the essence, along with decent firepower.
			* Breakthrough tanks, whose role was to go straight for the enemy and blast them to smithereens, and needed to be heavily armed.
			Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], i.e. multi-turreted tanks that could engage multiple targets at once and either be mobile rally points for the infantry or heavy attackers able to punch through the enemy's battle line was ''en vogue''. A first such tank entered service in the mid-thirties, the T-28. The T-28... worked, but not in its intended role. With a 76mm howitzer, 4 machine guns and rather weak armour; it could not fulfill the role of a breakthrough tank and was quickly relegated to infantry support. Undaunted, the Reds kept going and came up with the much larger and heavier T-35. [[Awesome\|With five turrets, two sporting 40mm AT guns, one with a 76mm howitzer and two with machineguns; it is truly the only ''land battleship'' ever put into production.]] But, for all it was bristling with weapons, the 45-ton heavy monster was plagued with problems: engine and transmission suffered from the excessive weight, and worse, the lessons from Spain showed that the modest armor of ~30mm steel would not stand up to dedicated AT weapons; rendering it useless as a breakthrough tank. [[Fail\|Just like his predecessor, the T-35 wouldn't do.]]

			In the meantime however, things had changed in Russia and not for the better. Stalin had decided to [[BLAM\|purge anyone who disagreed with him]], and the Red Army was left in a state of total confusion, with those few remaining high-ups terrified of being next in line. One of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim'', as the Russians nicknamed him was... a complicated man, both in the good and the bad sense. Of importance here is that he alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championed tanks, and he was accordingly put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:
			* one to replace to the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)
			* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.
			The latter order proved a though nut to crack. Ultimately, only two design bureaus dared put a design and prototype forward in 1939: the OKMO bureau under Nikolay Barkov proposed the T-100, and the Kirowsky works under Zhosef Kotin proposed the SMK. Both were eerily similar and only sported two turrets one above the other; because three turrets was just too damn impractical to build.

			As luck would have it, Stalin decided to flex his muscles and invade Finland in late 1939, [[derp\|which turned out to be a terrible idea]]. It was however a good occasion to field-test the two designs, and they were sent to support the attack on Summa. At the last moment, Kotin prevailed on Voroshilov to also take two other prototypes of his 'SMK' along, that sported only a single turret but better armor, which he named the ''Kliment Voroshilov'' tank in his honour. [[Rape\|the first battle for Summa didn't go well for the Reds]], and, insult to injury, both the T-100 and the SMK [[fail\|performed abysmally]] during the live test. The KV prototypes, on the other hand, did okay. The Finns lacked any big AT gun to deal with them and they managed to do relatively well for themselves. Voroshilov (the man) saw the writing on the wall and ordered the single-turret model into production just before having a big fall-out with Stalin and getting sidelined. Thus entered the KV-1.

			The KV-1... was not a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce that the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armour. Lots of armour that was evenly placed all-around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them actually made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' by the Germans due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created in order to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.

			By 1942, however, the Krauts had learned their lessons and were bringing bigger guns up to deal with the T-34's and KV-1's. [[Fail\|Kotin then doubled down and started adding extra appliqué armour to the base KV model, creating the KV-1E (E standing for ''Ekranami'', with extra armor)]]. Now, adding weight to an already strained chassis was [[derp\|really not a good idea]] and the KV1-E... was still a tough nut to ctrack but even more of a maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead. [[Herp\|Undaunted, Kotin kept trying to add more armor and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes that weren't ever approved for production.]] The only one that made it in small numbers was the KV-8, that had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower in order to fry the damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers.

			Soon enough Stalin's ears were buzzing with complaints about the KV tank, and Kotin saw the noose tightening around his neck. He thus put one of his ambitious young engineers forward, Nikolay Shashmurin, and ordered him to "fix" the KV-1. Dtalin agreed to give them a chance, with the condition it should not impeach mass-production (i.e. no completely new design). Shashmurin went to work, read AAR's and interviewed succesful commanders; and came up with a fix: replace the old transmission (based on the one of an old a Caterpillar tractor) with a much improved planetary one similar to those the Germans used, add some quick'n'dirty ergonomical improvements making the life of the crew easier (like a cupola for the tank commander). Finally, he also critically assessed where armor was needed and where it wasn't, and cut out over five tons of 'superflous' steel from the original design. Entered the KV-1S (''Skorostnoy'', Russian for 'speedy').

			[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] But the cincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armour that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was definitely useful, the thinning-out of the armour called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.

			This became so much of a problem than in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard as nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armour park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun and KV-85's rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned succesor the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright cancelled them in the sixties.

184.70.16.82 at 20:01, 23 November 2021

2021-11-23T20:01:49Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 20:01, 23 November 2021
Line 1:		Line 1:

			The KV series is a family of heavy tanks produced and fielded by the Soviet Union from 1939 to 1943. These proved to be nasty surprises for the invading German forces in Operation Barbarossa, as they were practically immune to the guns equipped on the Panzer-III and Panzer-IVs of the time. Only the 8.8cm Flak gun set on direct fire could penetrate their thick armor.

			Their battlefield roles were eventually supplanted by T-34s and the IS series of tanks, respectively.

	==Mid-War==		==Mid-War==
	===KV-1===		===KV-1===

1d4chan>Memebigboi: Created page with "==Mid-War== ===KV-1=== ===KV-1S=== ===KV-8=== ==Late War== ===KV-1=== ===KV-1S=== ===KV-8=== ==In Real Life=="

2021-05-19T20:20:01Z

Created page with "==Mid-War== ===KV-1=== ===KV-1S=== ===KV-8=== ==Late War== ===KV-1=== ===KV-1S=== ===KV-8=== ==In Real Life=="

New page

==Mid-War==
===KV-1===

===KV-1S===

===KV-8===

==Late War==
===KV-1===

===KV-1S===

===KV-8===

==In Real Life==

← Older revision		Revision as of 16:19, 13 July 2022
Line 21:		Line 21:
	All right. Buckle up people, because just like with his successor the [[IS-2]] there is a lot to be told about this one too!		All right. Buckle up people, because just like with his successor the [[IS-2]] there is a lot to be told about this one too!

	To understand the origin of the KV series of tanks, one needs to start in ~~1926~~. The Reds wanted to modernize their armies, and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky drew up a plan to do exactly that. Something of a visionary, Tukhachevsky in his ''Field Regulations of 1929'' (amongst many other things) saw three main roles for tanks on the battlefield, and accordingly the need for three classes of machines:		To understand the origin of the KV series of tanks, one needs to start in the 1920s. The Reds wanted to modernize their armies, and Marshal of the Soviet Union Mikhail Tukhachevsky drew up a plan to do exactly that. Something of a visionary, Tukhachevsky in his ''Field Regulations of 1929'' (amongst many other things) saw three main roles for tanks on the battlefield, and accordingly the need for three classes of machines:
	* Infantry tanks, whose main role is to support the infantry directly. Those need not go very fast and be armed with howitzers and machine guns and be reasonably well-armored.		* Infantry tanks, whose main role is to support the infantry directly. Those need not go very fast and be armed with howitzers and machine guns and be reasonably well-armored.
	* Fast tanks, that need to flank, envelop and strike at the enemy's rear: artillery, airfields, logistical lines, and command centers. Speed is of the essence, along with decent firepower.		* Fast tanks, that need to flank, envelop and strike at the enemy's rear: artillery, airfields, logistical lines, and command centers. Speed is of the essence, along with decent firepower.
	* Breakthrough tanks, whose role was to go straight for the enemy and blast them to smithereens, needed to be heavily armed.		* Breakthrough tanks, whose role was to go straight for the enemy and blast them to smithereens, needed to be heavily armed.
	Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], ~~i.e. multi-turreted tanks that could engage multiple targets at once and either be mobile rally points for the infantry or heavy attackers able to punch through the enemy's battle line~~ was ''en vogue''. The ~~first such tank entered service in the mid-thirties, the~~ T-28. The T-28... worked, but not in its intended role. With a 76mm howitzer, 4 machine guns, and rather weak armor; it could not fulfill the role of a breakthrough tank and was quickly relegated to infantry support. Undaunted, the Reds kept going and came up with the much larger and ~~heavier~~ T-35~~. [[Awesome\|With five turrets, two sporting 40mm AT guns, one with a 76mm howitzer and two with machineguns; it is truly~~ the only ''land battleship'' ever put into production.]] But, for all it was bristling with weapons, the 45-ton heavy monster was plagued with problems: engine and transmission suffered from the excessive weight, and worse, the lessons from Spain showed that the modest armor of ~~~30mm steel would not stand up to dedicated AT weapons; rendering it useless as a breakthrough tank. [[Fail\|Just like his predecessor, the T-35 wouldn't do~~.]]		Now, at that time, the whole concept of [[Baneblade\|land battleship]], was ''en vogue''. The T-28 and T-35 are both the results of this philosophy.

	In the ~~meantime~~, however, things had changed in Russia, and not for the better. [[God-Emperor of Mankind\|Stalin]] had decided to [[BLAM\|purge anyone who disagreed with him]], and the Red Army was left in a state of total confusion, with those few remaining high-ups terrified of being next in line. One of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky himself, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim''~~, as the Russians nicknamed him~~ was~~... a complicated man, both in the good and the bad sense. Of importance here is that he~~ alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) ~~championed~~ tanks, ~~and he~~ was ~~accordingly~~ put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:		During the purges, one of Stalin's many victims was Mikhail Tukhachevsky himself, and the task of developing the tank arms further felt to a man named Kliment Voroshilov. ''Klim''was alone amongst the remaining Marshals of the Soviet Union (and up to a point, against Stalin's wishes) championing tanks, was put in charge of equipping the Red Army with better machines. Thus, in 1937, two tenders were put out:
	* one to replace the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)		* one to replace the now aged fast tanks, a design that would eventually culminate in the [[T-34]]. (More info on that vehicle's page)
	* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.		* one for a proper breakthrough tank, with three turrets and enough armor to take a beating.
	The latter order proved a tough nut to crack. Ultimately, only two design bureaus dared put a design and prototype forward in 1939: the OKMO bureau ~~under Nikolay Barkov proposed~~ the T-100, and the Kirowsky works ~~under Zhosef Kotin~~ proposed the SMK. Both were eerily similar and only sported two turrets one above the other; because three turrets were just too damn impractical to build.		The latter order proved a tough nut to crack. Ultimately, only two design bureaus dared put a design and prototype forward in 1939: the OKMO bureau with the T-100, and the Kirowsky works proposed the SMK. Both were eerily similar and only sported two turrets one above the other; because three turrets were just too damn impractical to build.

	~~As luck would have it, Stalin decided to flex his muscles and invade Finland~~ in late 1939, ~~[[derp\|which turned out~~ to ~~be a terrible idea]]~~. ~~It was however a good occasion to field-test the~~ two designs, ~~and they were sent to support~~ the attack on Summa. At the last moment, Kotin prevailed on Voroshilov to also take two other prototypes of his 'SMK' along, that sported only a single turret but better armor, which he named the ''Kliment Voroshilov'' tank in his honor. [[Rape\|the first battle for Summa didn't go well for the Reds]], ~~and, insult to injury, both~~ the T-~~100 and the SMK [[fail\|~~performed ~~abysmally]] during the live test. The KV prototypes, on the other hand, did okay~~. The Finns lacked any big AT gun to deal with them and they managed to do relatively well for themselves. Voroshilov (the man) saw the writing on the wall and ordered the single-turret model into production just before having a big fall-out with Stalin and getting sidelined. Thus entered the KV-1.		At the start of the Winter war in late 1939, the Soviets decided to test their military equipment. The two designs, performed poorly during the attack on Summa. However, At the last moment, Kotin, a lead engineer at Kirowsky, prevailed on Voroshilov to also take two other prototypes of his 'SMK' along, that sported only a single turret but better armor, which he named the ''Kliment Voroshilov'' tank in his honor. [[Rape\|the first battle for Summa didn't go well for the Reds]], but one of the bright sides from this was that the proto KV-1 performed well. The Finns lacked any big AT gun to deal with them and they managed to do relatively well for themselves. Voroshilov (the man) saw the writing on the wall and ordered the single-turret model into production just before having a big fall-out with Stalin and getting sidelined. Thus entered the KV-1.

	The KV-1~~...~~ was ~~not~~ a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce than the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armor. Lots of armor was evenly placed all around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down. Interestingly enough, at the same time [[Ragnarok (tank)\|another small batch of a different version sporting a 152mm howitzer was created to try and make the howitzer more mobile called the KV-2]]. That one was a tremendous failure and quickly discontinued.		The KV-1 was by no means a good design: let us not kid ourselves, it was just as problematic to the Russians in 1941 as the late-war heavies were to the Germans: too big, too heavy, too prone to breakdowns, too sluggish; poor visibility and ergonomics, hard to drive (the driver had to sometimes hit the lever with a mallet to switch gears, so bad the transmission could get), collapsing bridges under their weight; and final insults to injury, weighing half the time more and costing almost three times more to produce than the true winner the [[T-34]] despite sporting the same gun. It had however one big saving grace: armor. Lots of armor was evenly placed all around the tank and turned it pretty much into a mobile fortress early into the war. The KV-1 was virtually impenetrable by the early-war German ''Heeresanklopfgerät'' 37mm AT gun except at the most point-blank of ranges, early [[Panzer III]]'s and [[Panzer IV]]'s didn't fare any better; and only the mighty [[Flak 88mm\|''Acht-acht'' Flak guns]] could take one out with ease. While few of them made it to the battlefield in the early days of the war, The Germans quickly came to dread encountering the ''Russischer Koloss'' or ''Monster'' due to the insane amount of punishment a KV-1 could take before going down.

	~~By 1942, however~~, the ~~Krauts had learned their lessons~~ and ~~were bringing bigger guns up to deal with~~ the T-~~34s~~ and ~~KV-1s.~~ [[~~Fail\|~~Kotin ~~then doubled down~~ and ~~started adding extra appliqué armor~~ to the ~~base~~ KV ~~model~~, ~~creating~~ the KV-~~1E (E standing for ''Ekranami''~~, ~~with extra armor)]]. Now~~, ~~adding weight to an already strained chassis without upgrading the engine and transmission was [[derp\| not a good idea]]~~ and the ~~KV1-~~E~~... was still a tough nut to crack for the Germans~~ but ~~even more of~~ a ~~maintenance nightmare, to the point Russian tank units started requesting T-34's instead.~~ [[~~Herp~~\|~~Tripling down, Kotin kept trying to add more~~ armor ~~and bigger guns to his already far too heavy machines, creating a staggering amount of prototypes~~ that ~~weren't ever approved for production~~.]] ~~The only one that made it in small numbers was~~ the KV~~-8 variant, which had a smaller main gun but a coaxial flamethrower~~ to ~~fry~~ the ~~damn Schnitzels in their trenches or bunkers during assaults~~.		When the Germans started upgrading to 75mm and 88mm cannons, the "logical" solution was add more armor and create a new variant called the KV-1E, which for all intents and purposes was pretty much the Russian equivalent of the [[Elefant]]. The complaints were so bad about the tank that Stalin approached Kotin and told him to fix it in his typical Stalin way. Kotin and an engineer named Shashmurin thus created the economy version of the KV-1, called the KV-1S. It was faster, comfier, and more reliable than the E version, but also sacrificed a [[Fail\|ton of the armor that made it so infamous in the early war.]] Ultimately the KV chassis was phased out due to the success of the T-34 chassis.

	~~Soon enough Stalin's ears~~ were ~~buzzing with complaints about~~ the KV ~~tank,~~ and ~~Kotin felt the noose tightening around his neck~~. ~~He thus put one of his ambitious young engineers forward, Nikolay Shashmurin, and ordered him to "fix" the~~ KV-1. ~~Stalin agreed to give them a chance~~, ~~with the condition~~ it ~~should not impeach mass-production (i~~.e. no completely new design). Shashmurin went to work, read AARs and interviewed successful commanders; and came up with a fix: replace the old transmission (based on the one of an old a Caterpillar tractor) with a much-~~improved planetary one similar~~ to ~~those~~ the ~~Germans used~~, ~~add some quick'n'dirty ergonomic improvements making~~ the ~~life~~ of ~~the crew easier (like a cupola for the tank commander). Finally, he also critically assessed where armor was needed~~ and ~~where~~ it ~~wasn't, and cut out most of~~ the ~~extra appliqué armor and over five tons of 'superfluous' steel from the original design. Entered the KV~~-~~1S (S for ''Skorostnoy''~~, ~~'speedy')~~.		Two interesting but short lived variants of the KV were the KV-2 and KV-85. The KV-2 was [[Fail\|functionally a fully enclosed turret mounted 15.2 cm howitzer,]] but it sadly underperformed and was cramped as hell. The KV-85 was also considered for providing competition to the German big cats, but the SU series of Tank destroyers were doing fine and it was found that the T-34 could just as easily mount an 85mm gun, so this project was largely abandoned.

	[[Just as planned\|For all purposes and intents, the KV-1S delivered at first: the reliability issues that so plagued the earlier models had been dealt with.]] Stalin was satisfied and awarded both Kotin and Shashmurin a prize for their work. But the clincher came when the first AAR's came in: while tank crews praised the multiple improvements, [[not as planned\|said improvements had come at the cost of losing the heavy armor that made the earlier tanks so valuable, making the KV-1S more of a big medium tank than a true heavy tank.]] While it was useful, the thinning-out of the armor called into question why the bigger model was being produced at all since the T-34 could do everything the KV-1S could, while being much cheaper to produce.

	This became so much of a problem that in mid-1943 the Soviet heavy tank program was close to termination. And then the Battle of Kursk and the [[Panther]] happened. Faced with a hard-as-nails death machine that could dish out the pain from long range, the Reds realized they too had to up-gun their armor park. This was the KV-series (and in a sense the heavy tanks as a whole) swan song, as at first only the larger KV-1S could easily be equipped with a bigger gun, and KV-85s rolled off the assembly line to fight those damn pesky big kitties. But when it became clear that the T-34 could also be equipped with said 85mm gun without sacrificing too much mobility or reliability, both the KV-85 and its planned successor the IS-1 were scrapped. The only one that manage to pull through was the [[IS-2]] equipped with an even bigger 122mm gun, but ultimately the hour of the Main Battle Tank was at hand, and heavy tanks were sidelined after WWII until Nikita Khrushchev outright canceled them in the sixties.

	{{Template:Soviet Forces in Flames of War}}		{{Template:Soviet Forces in Flames of War}}