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	The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.		The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.

	Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. For example, anyone familiar with Korean history know just how INCREDIBLY unimaginative Koryo's name is [[FAIL\|considering that it's name is quite literally just stolen]] from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo] Yeah, real creative guys.		Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. For example, anyone familiar with Korean history know just how INCREDIBLY unimaginative Koryo's name is [[FAIL\|considering that it's name is quite literally just stolen]] from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo] Yeah, real creative guys. Though I do have to admit naming a Japanese country "Wa" is pretty darn unimaginative too. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa_(Japan)]

	Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.		Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.

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	The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.		The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.

	Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. ~~Koryeo~~'s ~~naming~~ is ~~also INCREDIBLY unimaginative~~ considering that it's name is ~~[[FAIL\|~~quite literally just stolen]] from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo]		Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. For example, anyone familiar with Korean history know just how INCREDIBLY unimaginative Koryo's name is [[FAIL\|considering that it's name is quite literally just stolen]] from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo] Yeah, real creative guys.

	Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.		Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.

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	The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.		The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.

	Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. Koryeo's naming is ~~incredibly~~ unimaginative considering that it's quite literally just ~~named after~~ the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo]		Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. Koryeo's naming is also INCREDIBLY unimaginative considering that it's name is [[FAIL\|quite literally just stolen]] from the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo]

	Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.		Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.

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	The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.		The term "Oriental", when boiled down to its strictest definition, literally means "any country East of Europe and the Mediterranean". At best, it means "All of Asia", which, in case you haven't looked at a global map recently, is a pretty big place made up of a lot of countries who actually don't have all that much in common. Yes, China, Japan and Korea have cross-pollinated a lot, but they're not the entirety of Asia.

	Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought.		Kara-tur runs into the issue that not only does it use "The Orient" to mean "China, Japan and Korea", but it actually reduces its Chinese and Korean elements to little more than very crude reskins taped over its Japanese stuff. For example, even in the distinctly Chinese/Korea-based locales, you have NPCs whose classes use distinctly ''Japanese'' naming terminology, such as [[Samurai]], Bushi or [[Shugenja]]. In fact, taking a step back, the simple fact that the new classes/[[kits]] introduced in the original 1e all use Japanese names kind of makes it obvious that this was meant to be a Fantasy Japan and the Chinese and Korean elements were tacked on as a distinct afterthought. Koryeo's naming is incredibly unimaginative considering that it's quite literally just named after the IRL Korean Goryeo Dynasty. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryeo]

	Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.		Whilst the subsequent [[splatbook]]s ''Kara-Tur: Eastern Realms'' and ''Challenge of the Ronins'' did at least try to reduce the bizarreness by introducing Chinese-equivalent terminology (such as Shou Lung's Bushi, Samurai, Shugenja, Sohei, and Yakuza becoming Chanshi/Warrior, Knight/Noble, Dang-Ki, No-Sheng/Temple Guardian, and Tong Shu for Chinese equivalent), it was basically a bandaid over a gaping wound, especially since anybody looking closer would realize that the ostensibly Chinese and Korean regions of the setting were sort of a chop suey for themselves plus Japan. Thus you have things like the Korea analogue having actual [[ninja]]s or Shou Lung's sectarian conflict mirroring Heian Japan's Buddhist Sects.

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Publication History

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	Even in [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], Kara-Tur made no appearances, until [[Dragon Magazine]] #404 was devoted entirely to "oriental D&D" content and so used Kara-tur as a backdrop.		Even in [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition]], Kara-Tur made no appearances, until [[Dragon Magazine]] #404 was devoted entirely to "oriental D&D" content and so used Kara-tur as a backdrop.

	There have been no appearances of Kara-tur in [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]].		There have been no appearances of Kara-tur in [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]], only mention it still exists and immigration from Shou Lung is a thing.

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	This is probably the major issue facing the setting in the modern era, aside from the political bullshit. The simple fact is, Kara-Tur represents an idea of "what do players want from a Japanese D&D setting?" that is no longer relevant to modern audiences (and was frankly probably starting to look kind of out of touch in the 90s!) Kara-Tur was inspired by and intended for an audience whose "oriental" media consisted of Samurai movies and chop sockey martial arts films; it was a setting for those who wanted to play sagas inspired by The Seven Samurai or Flying Guillotine Master or any Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan movie you can name here.		This is probably the major issue facing the setting in the modern era, aside from the political bullshit. The simple fact is, Kara-Tur represents an idea of "what do players want from a Japanese D&D setting?" that is no longer relevant to modern audiences (and was frankly probably starting to look kind of out of touch in the 90s!) Kara-Tur was inspired by and intended for an audience whose "oriental" media consisted of Samurai movies and chop sockey martial arts films; it was a setting for those who wanted to play sagas inspired by The Seven Samurai or Flying Guillotine Master or any Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan movie you can name here.

	In the modern era, though, fans have grown beyond that historical fiction/low fantasy mold. Waves of anime, manga, videogames and media inspired by all of those have offered a far more fantastical depiction of Japan (and to a lesser extent China and Korea), and the [[Heroic Fantasy]] and [[High Fantasy]] fans have eaten this stuff up for decades now. If asked to play "Japanese D&D", such a fan would be far more interested in the crazy shonen action-magic [[ninja]] of Naruto or the yokai-infested Sengoku Japan of Inuyasha than re-enacting Lone Wolf and Cub. Same goes for "Chinese Fantasy" as the current fans would be exposed ~~more~~ well-made Chinese-themed works ("~~Red Cliff~~" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"), ~~and~~ Three Kingdoms ~~in visual-medium~~ (~~mostly with proliferation via~~ Dynasty Warriors 2 in 2003 and Total War: Three Kingdoms in 2018) that allow Fantasy-China to be run ~~more~~ in themes ~~other than~~ just Kung Fu ~~genre~~.		In the modern era, though, fans have grown beyond that historical fiction/low fantasy mold. Waves of anime, manga, videogames and media inspired by all of those have offered a far more fantastical depiction of Japan (and to a lesser extent China and Korea), and the [[Heroic Fantasy]] and [[High Fantasy]] fans have eaten this stuff up for decades now. If asked to play "Japanese D&D", such a fan would be far more interested in the crazy shonen action-magic [[ninja]] of Naruto or the yokai-infested Sengoku Japan of Inuyasha than re-enacting Lone Wolf and Cub. Same goes for "Chinese Fantasy" as the current fans would be more exposed to well-made and high-budget Chinese-themed works ("Hero" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"), along with the proliferation of Three Kingdoms' adaptations (such as Dynasty Warriors 2 in 2003 and Total War: Three Kingdoms in 2018) among western audiences that allow Fantasy-China to be run in other themes besides just Kung Fu.

	The simple, sad truth is that Kara-Tur has gone from a "best-selling" campaign setting to just coming off as bland. It only really appeals to the [[Low Fantasy]]/Historical Fiction crowd as-written, and even they find fault with its contradictory internal lore.		The simple, sad truth is that Kara-Tur has gone from a "best-selling" campaign setting to just coming off as bland. It only really appeals to the [[Low Fantasy]]/Historical Fiction crowd as-written, and even they find fault with its contradictory internal lore.

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	This is probably the major issue facing the setting in the modern era, aside from the political bullshit. The simple fact is, Kara-Tur represents an idea of "what do players want from a Japanese D&D setting?" that is no longer relevant to modern audiences (and was frankly probably starting to look kind of out of touch in the 90s!) Kara-Tur was inspired by and intended for an audience whose "oriental" media consisted of Samurai movies and chop sockey martial arts films; it was a setting for those who wanted to play sagas inspired by The Seven Samurai or Flying Guillotine Master or any Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan movie you can name here.		This is probably the major issue facing the setting in the modern era, aside from the political bullshit. The simple fact is, Kara-Tur represents an idea of "what do players want from a Japanese D&D setting?" that is no longer relevant to modern audiences (and was frankly probably starting to look kind of out of touch in the 90s!) Kara-Tur was inspired by and intended for an audience whose "oriental" media consisted of Samurai movies and chop sockey martial arts films; it was a setting for those who wanted to play sagas inspired by The Seven Samurai or Flying Guillotine Master or any Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan movie you can name here.

	In the modern era, though, fans have grown beyond that historical fiction/low fantasy mold. Waves of anime, manga, videogames and media inspired by all of those have offered a far more fantastical depiction of Japan (and to a lesser extent China and Korea), and the [[Heroic Fantasy]] and [[High Fantasy]] fans have eaten this stuff up for decades now. If asked to play "Japanese D&D", such a fan would be far more interested in the crazy shonen action-magic [[ninja]] of Naruto or the yokai-infested Sengoku Japan of Inuyasha than re-enacting Lone Wolf and Cub. Same goes for "Chinese Fantasy" as the current fans would be exposed more well-made Chinese-themed works ("Red Cliff" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon") and ~~exposed to~~ Three Kingdoms in visual-medium (mostly with proliferation via Dynasty Warriors 2 in 2003 and Total War: Three Kingdoms in 2018) that allow Fantasy-China to be run more in themes other than just Kung Fu genre.		In the modern era, though, fans have grown beyond that historical fiction/low fantasy mold. Waves of anime, manga, videogames and media inspired by all of those have offered a far more fantastical depiction of Japan (and to a lesser extent China and Korea), and the [[Heroic Fantasy]] and [[High Fantasy]] fans have eaten this stuff up for decades now. If asked to play "Japanese D&D", such a fan would be far more interested in the crazy shonen action-magic [[ninja]] of Naruto or the yokai-infested Sengoku Japan of Inuyasha than re-enacting Lone Wolf and Cub. Same goes for "Chinese Fantasy" as the current fans would be exposed more well-made Chinese-themed works ("Red Cliff" and "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"), and Three Kingdoms in visual-medium (mostly with proliferation via Dynasty Warriors 2 in 2003 and Total War: Three Kingdoms in 2018) that allow Fantasy-China to be run more in themes other than just Kung Fu genre.

	The simple, sad truth is that Kara-Tur has gone from a "best-selling" campaign setting to just coming off as bland. It only really appeals to the [[Low Fantasy]]/Historical Fiction crowd as-written, and even they find fault with its contradictory internal lore.		The simple, sad truth is that Kara-Tur has gone from a "best-selling" campaign setting to just coming off as bland. It only really appeals to the [[Low Fantasy]]/Historical Fiction crowd as-written, and even they find fault with its contradictory internal lore.

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	* '''Kozakura''' is Sengoku-era Japan--also Kamakura era due to inclusion of retired Emperors ruling behind the scenes and series of regents being the power behind both the Shogun and the Emperor--where the feudal Daimyos fought against each other yet strangely had to no historical connections with Wa despite using Japanese aesthetics and terminology.		* '''Kozakura''' is Sengoku-era Japan--also Kamakura era due to inclusion of retired Emperors ruling behind the scenes and series of regents being the power behind both the Shogun and the Emperor--where the feudal Daimyos fought against each other yet strangely had to no historical connections with Wa despite using Japanese aesthetics and terminology.

	Later on, when Kara-Tur was added to Forgotten Realms--which [[Ed Greenwood]] disliked the addition due to its near-historical analogues being out of place and arguments over whether historical aspects made sense within Toril--where they added Tabot (a mountainous theocracy united under the worship/rule of a holy child monk emperor, aka Tibet), Bawa (Indonesia), Malatra (~~South East Asia~~), and Koryo (Korea's Three Kingdoms and the later Korea unification under Silla).		Later on, when Kara-Tur was added to Forgotten Realms--which [[Ed Greenwood]] disliked the addition due to its near-historical analogues being out of place and arguments over whether historical aspects made sense within Toril--where they added Tabot (a mountainous theocracy united under the worship/rule of a holy child monk emperor, aka Tibet), Bawa (Indonesia), [[Malatra]] (Indochina with [[dinosaur]]s), and Koryo (Korea's Three Kingdoms and the later Korea unification under Silla).

	It also gained its own set of [[Mongols\|shitty-wall hating, loose collective of steppe horsemen]] [[Genghis motherfucking Khan\|(although not as yet a grand uniter of clans)]], who even got their own spin-off sub-setting called [[The Horde]], which came complete with a campaign (and tie-in novel trilogy) in which they try to invade Western Faerun... which goes a lot worse for them than it did for the Mongols, since you have realistic horse nomads turned light cavalry going up against pissed off [[dragon]]s, powerful [[wizard]]s, and a variety of monsters willing to make common cause with the native humans to get rid of these jumped up invaders.		It also gained its own set of [[Mongols\|shitty-wall hating, loose collective of steppe horsemen]] [[Genghis motherfucking Khan\|(although not as yet a grand uniter of clans)]], who even got their own spin-off sub-setting called [[The Horde]], which came complete with a campaign (and tie-in novel trilogy) in which they try to invade Western Faerun... which goes a lot worse for them than it did for the Mongols, since you have realistic horse nomads turned light cavalry going up against pissed off [[dragon]]s, powerful [[wizard]]s, and a variety of monsters willing to make common cause with the native humans to get rid of these jumped up invaders.