Kings of War/Tactics/Ogres - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 50 revisions imported

2023-06-21T16:23:03Z

50 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 16:23, 21 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-19T02:27:06Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 02:27, 19 June 2023
(No difference)

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Large Infantry */

2020-07-06T06:21:36Z

Large Infantry

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:21, 6 July 2020
Line 40:		Line 40:
	*'''Warriors:''' Staple Ogre troops with an option for two-handed weapons to boost the carnage. They're relatively cheap and effective. Warriors are the only unit available to Ogres that can be taken as a legion (12). If you've got the points and their wide frontage doesn't bother you, a Legion of Warriors is an excellently punchy and tough unit. The units of 3/6 are good to use as base of comparison to other melee Ogre units including Chariots.		*'''Warriors:''' Staple Ogre troops with an option for two-handed weapons to boost the carnage. They're relatively cheap and effective. Warriors are the only unit available to Ogres that can be taken as a legion (12). If you've got the points and their wide frontage doesn't bother you, a Legion of Warriors is an excellently punchy and tough unit. The units of 3/6 are good to use as base of comparison to other melee Ogre units including Chariots.

	*'''Hunters:''' For 15/20 more points you get Warriors that lose 1 Defense but gain Ensnare and Pathfinder. Since losing Defense and gaining Ensnare is kind of a wash (though keeping Defense seems generally preferable) these guys are judged mostly by your need for Pathfinder.		*'''Hunters:''' For 15/25 more points you get Warriors that lose 1 Defense but gain Ensnare and Pathfinder. Since losing Defense and gaining Ensnare is kind of a wash (though keeping Defense seems generally preferable) these guys are judged mostly by your need for Pathfinder.

	*'''Berserker Braves:''' For 20/30 more points you get Warriors that lose 1 Melee and 1 Defense but gain 6/12 Attacks and 1 Nerve. They also amplify the Warlock through Bloodlust (see Warlock, below) and have no Wavering limit. You might think they're a good choice to add more offensive punch. The truth is, Warriors with two-handed weapons will provide more punch for your buck. Their value depends more on your need for the boosted Nerve, lack of Wavering limit, and whether you field a Warlock.		*'''Berserker Braves:''' For 20/30 more points you get Warriors that lose 1 Melee and 1 Defense but gain 6/12 Attacks and 1 Nerve. They also amplify the Warlock through Bloodlust (see Warlock, below) and have no Wavering limit. You might think they're a good choice to add more offensive punch. The truth is, Warriors with two-handed weapons will provide more punch for your buck. Their value depends more on your need for the boosted Nerve, lack of Wavering limit, and whether you field a Warlock.

	*'''Siege Breakers:''' For 35/50 more points you get Warriors that ~~lose 1 Speed and 1 Defense but~~ gain Crushing Strength (+2)~~, Thunderous Charge (1),~~ and Big Shield. ~~When used correctly, the loss of Defense is irrelevant with Big Shield (Defense 6 to the front).~~ They're highly effective against Defense 5 or 6 targets where other units would struggle. Their high strength is lost on low defense targets so choose your targets wisely. One of the Ogre's most effective and toughest units when used correctly. ~~Elves~~ can shoot at them to the front all day to close to no effect.		*'''Siege Breakers:''' For 25/40 more points you get Warriors that gain Crushing Strength (2) and Big Shield. They're highly effective against Defense 5 or 6 targets where other units would struggle. Their high strength is lost on low defense targets so choose your targets wisely. One of the Ogre's most effective and toughest units when used correctly. Goblins can shoot at them to the front all day to close to no effect.

	*'''Boomers:''' Warriors with ~~a Breath Weapon~~ that lose 1 Melee and 1 Defense and cost 20/30 more points. A hybrid ranged/melee unit more so than Shooters due to their short range and ability to move and shoot without penalty~~. Further, they're great at tearing into those dodgy/sneaky Individuals since their weapons ignore that penalty and Cover. Though at 12", its not hard to avoid with said targets~~. Since you can either Shoot or Charge, these guys may find themselves less effective than Warriors or Shooters at the respective tasks.		*'''Boomers:''' Warriors with Boomsticks that lose 1 Melee and 1 Defense and cost 20/30 more points. A hybrid ranged/melee unit more so than Shooters due to their short range and ability to move and shoot without penalty. Since you can either Shoot or Charge, these guys may find themselves less effective than Warriors or Shooters at the respective tasks.

	*'''Shooters:''' With limited selections that shoot, these guys fill the hole nicely. Piercing (2) and 36" Range makes Shooters a cross between War ~~Machine~~ and missile troop. If you need non-allied ranged support then look no further. If you need help taking out pesky Individuals, consider Boomers. They're still decent in melee when Disordered or if a flank/rear charge presents itself but otherwise you're better off shooting - and boy can these guys shoot. They throw 18 dice for a horde that damage most things on a +2 or +3, and the toughest of tough units on a 4+, with the +5 to hit, being outranged by true war ~~machines~~, and not being able to shoot and move in the same turn keeping them in check. <s>Try putting the brew of keen eyedness on these guys, and park the horde in the best, flank protected firing lane you can visualise, because hitting on a +4 will delete a chaff regiment per turn.</s> Because every motherfucker on the planet started adding this as a single allied unit to every army, we can't have nice things anymore, so per the Clash of Kings rules the Brew of keen eyedness is no longer available to hordes (or legions).		*'''Shooters:''' With limited selections that shoot, these guys fill the hole nicely. Piercing (2) and 30" Range makes Shooters a cross between War Engines and missile troop. If you need non-allied ranged support then look no further. If you need help taking out pesky Individuals, consider Boomers. They're still decent in melee when Disordered or if a flank/rear charge presents itself but otherwise you're better off shooting - and boy can these guys shoot. They throw 18 dice for a horde that damage most things on a +2 or +3, and the toughest of tough units on a 4+, with the +5 to hit, being outranged by true war engines, and not being able to shoot and move in the same turn keeping them in check.

	===Cavalry===		===Cavalry===

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Infantry */

2020-07-06T06:12:57Z

Infantry

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:12, 6 July 2020
Line 31:		Line 31:

	===Infantry===		===Infantry===
	*'''Red ~~Goblins~~:''' Identical to ~~Spitters~~ in the Goblin list, but without the ~~yellow-bellied~~ army special rule. ~~A good unit for putting damage on the flyers that Ogres can struggle with~~, and ~~otherwise cheaply screening the flanks of your melee Ogres~~.		*'''Red Goblin Sharpsticks:''' Identical to Sharpsticks in the Goblin list, but without the Mawpup army special rule. They have Phalanx, so your units charging them will lose TC and units with Fly have a - 1 to hit modifier after a charge.

	*'''Red Goblin ~~Sharpsticks~~:''' Identical to ~~Sharpsticks~~ in the Goblin list, but without the ~~yellow-bellied~~ army special rule, ~~and not~~ available in Legions. ~~Added with CoK 18. A melee focussed alternative to normal Red Goblins~~.		*'''Red Goblin Rabble:''' Identical to Rabble in the Goblin list, but without the Mawpup army special rule, available in Legions. Cheap and many.

	*'''Red Goblin ~~Rabble~~:''' Identical to ~~Rabble~~ in the Goblin list~~, but without~~ the ~~yellow-bellied army special rule~~, and ~~not available~~ in ~~Legions. Added in CoK 18. The ultimate in cheap speedbumps~~.		*'''Red Goblin Spitters:''' Identical to Spitters in the Goblin list. In 2nd Edition a good unit for putting damage on the flyers that Ogres can struggle with, and otherwise (in 3rd only) cheaply screening the flanks of your melee Ogres.

	===Large Infantry===		===Large Infantry===

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Hero */

2020-07-06T06:01:38Z

Hero

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:01, 6 July 2020
Line 20:		Line 20:
	*'''Kuzlo and Madfall:''' An infamous Goblin wizard riding an equally infamous giant lizard, a faster and much more assault focussed caster than the Warlock, with the spells designed to get Kuzlo and Madfall into combat faster, and have an area of effect on multiple units when they do. Kind of but not really replaced Nomargarok in the Ogre list.		*'''Kuzlo and Madfall:''' An infamous Goblin wizard riding an equally infamous giant lizard, a faster and much more assault focussed caster than the Warlock, with the spells designed to get Kuzlo and Madfall into combat faster, and have an area of effect on multiple units when they do. Kind of but not really replaced Nomargarok in the Ogre list.

	*'''Red Goblin Biggit:''' Your goblin hero choice. Inspires your goblins and is pretty cheap, but your ogres don't care how much he does for your goblins and won't get that nerve re-roll.		*'''Red Goblin Biggit:''' Your goblin hero choice. Inspires your goblins and is pretty cheap, but your ogres don't care how much he does for your goblins and won't get that nerve re-roll. Only model with Individual in the whole list.

	*'''Berserker Bully:''' Since it only provides inspiring to Berserkers, it's effectively a way of giving them a more melee oriented option than the Warlock, albeit at a higher price. Limited use, in other words, but a use none the less.		*'''Berserker Bully:''' Since it only provides inspiring to Berserkers, it's effectively a way of giving them a more melee oriented option than the Warlock, albeit at a higher price. Limited use, in other words, but a use none the less.

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Hero */

2020-07-06T06:00:08Z

Hero

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:00, 6 July 2020
Line 26:		Line 26:
	*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.		*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.

	*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, TC1, which lets him wound everything on a 3+. Exchange shield with two-handed weapon which gives you CS3 but D4+ for +0 pts and you wound everything on a 2+.		*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, TC1, which lets him wound everything on a 3+. Exchange shield with two-handed weapon which gives you CS3 but D4+ for +0 pts and you wound everything on a 2+. Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. But he still gets the Flank and Rear Arc bonus since he isn't Individual.
	Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. But he still gets the Flank and Rear Arc bonus since he isn't Individual.
			Not having Individual in this edition helps the Ogres a lot since it gives you the Flank bonus.

	===Infantry===		===Infantry===

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Hero */

2020-07-06T05:58:40Z

Hero

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:58, 6 July 2020
Line 26:		Line 26:
	*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.		*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.

	*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, TC1, which lets him wound everything on a 3+. Exchange shield with two-handed weapon ~~(lower Defence to 4~~+~~, but gain CS3)~~ for +0 pts and you wound't everything on a 2+.		*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, TC1, which lets him wound everything on a 3+. Exchange shield with two-handed weapon which gives you CS3 but D4+ for +0 pts and you wound everything on a 2+.
	Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. Bu he still gets the Flank and Rear Arc bonus since he isn't Individual.		Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. But he still gets the Flank and Rear Arc bonus since he isn't Individual.

	===Infantry===		===Infantry===

1d4chan>Chimonas: /* Hero */

2020-07-06T05:57:31Z

Hero

← Older revision		Revision as of 05:57, 6 July 2020
Line 16:		Line 16:
	*'''Sergeant:''' More or less a budget Warlord that gives up 2 attack dice and 2 nerve for a cheaper entry feee, but does have the option of carrying a heavy crossbow. Take him if you need more muscle than an ASB, but don't have the points for the Warlord. Can be put on a chariot if you're going for a mobile army.		*'''Sergeant:''' More or less a budget Warlord that gives up 2 attack dice and 2 nerve for a cheaper entry feee, but does have the option of carrying a heavy crossbow. Take him if you need more muscle than an ASB, but don't have the points for the Warlord. Can be put on a chariot if you're going for a mobile army.

	*'''Grokagamok:''' With his big fuck off axe, Grokagamok is the only hero in the game you could consider a serious combat unit in his own right - he hits on a +3, has 7 attacks, the blast (D3) rule, and on top of that he gets to double and triple attacks with side and rear flank charges. On defence he's also tough, with a 5+, the same nerve as a horde of warriors, and a 9" inspiring range. At ~~260~~ points, you're paying for it though.		*'''Grokagamok:''' With his big fuck off axe, Grokagamok is the only hero in the game you could consider a serious combat unit in his own right - he hits on a +3, has 7 attacks, the blast (D3) rule, and on top of that he gets to double and triple attacks with side and rear flank charges. On defence he's also tough, with a 5+, the same nerve as a horde of warriors, and a 9" inspiring range. At 250 points, you're paying for it though.

	*'''Kuzlo and Madfall:''' An infamous Goblin wizard riding an equally infamous giant lizard, a faster and much more assault focussed caster than the Warlock, with the spells designed to get Kuzlo and Madfall into combat faster, and have an area of effect on multiple units when they do. Kind of but not really replaced Nomargarok in the Ogre list.		*'''Kuzlo and Madfall:''' An infamous Goblin wizard riding an equally infamous giant lizard, a faster and much more assault focussed caster than the Warlock, with the spells designed to get Kuzlo and Madfall into combat faster, and have an area of effect on multiple units when they do. Kind of but not really replaced Nomargarok in the Ogre list.
Line 26:		Line 26:
	*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.		*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.

	*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, ~~TC2~~, which lets him wound everything on a 2+. Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. ~~Like~~ the ~~Sergeant, can be put on a chariot if you~~'~~re going for a mobile army~~.		*'''Warlord:''' The biggest sledgehammer in an army of sledgehammers, aside from legendary choices. Put him on a chariot and he has an amazing CS2, TC1, which lets him wound everything on a 3+. Exchange shield with two-handed weapon (lower Defence to 4+, but gain CS3) for +0 pts and you wound't everything on a 2+.
			Throw in a Brew of Sharpness to boost his melee to 2+ as well, and you've got a 7 attack blender that carves through the elite units of other factions like nobody's business. Avoid getting him stuck in tarpits, though, as the downside of treating every target the same is that his seven attacks struggle hard with massed, cheap targets. Bu he still gets the Flank and Rear Arc bonus since he isn't Individual.

	===Infantry===		===Infantry===

1d4chan>NTRabbit: /* Titans */

2019-11-16T11:31:10Z

Titans

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:31, 16 November 2019
Line 66:		Line 66:
	*'''Giant:''' The same as the Giant in the Goblin and Orc lists. Big, mean, tough, ignores hindered charges, and has the second highest nerve in the Ogre list after a Warrior Legion. With a +4 to hit and crushing strength 3 it can hurt anything, but the D6+8 attacks means that a giant can oscillate between tarpit and death incarnate, depending on how well you roll.		*'''Giant:''' The same as the Giant in the Goblin and Orc lists. Big, mean, tough, ignores hindered charges, and has the second highest nerve in the Ogre list after a Warrior Legion. With a +4 to hit and crushing strength 3 it can hurt anything, but the D6+8 attacks means that a giant can oscillate between tarpit and death incarnate, depending on how well you roll.

	*'''Red Goblin Slasher:''' Functionally replaced the old Mammoth with Ballista upgrade in 2nd, a big Goblin crewed beast with a 36" range sharpstick thrower on its back that is the closest the Ogres get to having a war engine. Unlike actual war machines, it can still smash stuff in melee.		*'''Red Goblin Slasher:''' Functionally replaced the old Mammoth with Ballista upgrade from 2nd; a big Goblin crewed beast with a 36" range sharpstick thrower on its back that is the closest the Ogres get to having a war engine. Unlike actual war machines, it can still smash stuff in melee.

	===War Engines===		===War Engines===

1d4chan>NTRabbit: /* Hero */

2019-11-16T11:30:30Z

Hero

← Older revision		Revision as of 11:30, 16 November 2019
Line 12:		Line 12:
	*'''Army Standard Bearer:''' Cheap and fairly limited in hand to hand combat. That being said they don't have individual and so can serve as fairly cheap chaff unit.		*'''Army Standard Bearer:''' Cheap and fairly limited in hand to hand combat. That being said they don't have individual and so can serve as fairly cheap chaff unit.

	*'''Boomer Sergeant:''' One Ogre, one bloody big gun. ~~Odd ball unit with little use due to lack of~~ inspiring, ~~mainly exists to cater to people who single based their Boomers in an earlier edition. As of CoK 18,~~ it ~~can act as~~ a budget Boomer regiment with a small footprint.		*'''Boomer Sergeant:''' One Ogre, one bloody big gun. No inspiring, but it does make for a budget Boomer regiment with a small footprint.

	*'''Sergeant:''' More or less a budget Warlord that gives up 2 attack dice and 2 nerve for a cheaper entry feee, but does have the option of carrying a heavy crossbow. Take him if you need more muscle than an ASB, but don't have the points for the Warlord. Can be put on a chariot if you're going for a mobile army.		*'''Sergeant:''' More or less a budget Warlord that gives up 2 attack dice and 2 nerve for a cheaper entry feee, but does have the option of carrying a heavy crossbow. Take him if you need more muscle than an ASB, but don't have the points for the Warlord. Can be put on a chariot if you're going for a mobile army.
Line 22:		Line 22:
	*'''Red Goblin Biggit:''' Your goblin hero choice. Inspires your goblins and is pretty cheap, but your ogres don't care how much he does for your goblins and won't get that nerve re-roll.		*'''Red Goblin Biggit:''' Your goblin hero choice. Inspires your goblins and is pretty cheap, but your ogres don't care how much he does for your goblins and won't get that nerve re-roll.

	*'''~~Siege Master~~:''' Since it only provides inspiring to ~~Siege Breakers~~, it's effectively a way of giving them ~~an inspiring aura that's as difficult to snipe away as they are~~, ~~without letting it replace the ASB in all circumstances~~. Limited use, in other words, but a use none the less.		*'''Berserker Bully:''' Since it only provides inspiring to Berserkers, it's effectively a way of giving them a more melee oriented option than the Warlock, albeit at a higher price. Limited use, in other words, but a use none the less.

	*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.		*'''Warlock:''' Somewhat overpriced magic user. With a magic item a standard bearer will be able to case just as well, fight better, be able to inspire all units (not just beserkers) and be the same price. Only downside will be the lack of extra casting dice from being close to beserkers.