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	==Burning of Prospero and the Horus Heresy==		==Burning of Prospero and the Horus Heresy==
	When that bitch-ass [[Horus]] started whining and crying, Leman Russ and his Legion were on their way to Prospero to bring Magnus the Red to Terra for questioning. Horus intercepted the message and re-worded it to order Russ to destroy Magnus and his Thousand Sons, and interestingly Russ found when they arrived at Prospero he didn't want to do that. He decided to go against the orders he thought were legit, and instead detain him and his legion so that they could be transported to Terra (ironically doing exactly what his legit orders were by going against what he thought they were), but when Magnus refused to answer the phone and the Thousand Sons' calls were all being blocked by the Primarch (and by a Tzeentch Daemon in disguise) he became more and more annoyed, and eventually he was pissed off enough that he and the Space Wolves carried out a class-10 clusterfucking on Prospero (aided along a bit by Magnus himself lowering his planet's defenses because he wanted to atone for his wrongdoings in the dumbest fucking way possible). It should have ended with the glorious finale where Leman Russ himself lifted Magnus the Red over his shoulders and broke the sorcerer's back over his knee (rumour has it that Russ could be heard shouting “Ah yes. I was wondering what would break first: your spirit… or your body!”...turns out it was both at the same time!). But even so, the red bastard managed to utter one single word of power and escaped through the fucking ground. Russ was so enraged that he ordered the 13th company of Space Wolves to pursue the fleeing Thousand Sons through their pansy-ass portals.		When that bitch-ass [[Horus]] started whining and crying, Leman Russ and his Legion were on their way to Prospero to bring Magnus the Red to Terra for questioning. Horus intercepted the message and re-worded it to order Russ to destroy Magnus and his Thousand Sons, and interestingly Russ found when they arrived at Prospero he didn't want to do that. He decided to go against the orders he thought were legit, and instead detain him and his legion so that they could be transported to Terra (ironically doing exactly what his legit orders were by going against what he thought they were), but when Magnus refused to answer the phone and the Thousand Sons' calls were all being blocked by the Primarch (and by a Tzeentch Daemon in disguise) he became more and more annoyed, and eventually he was pissed off enough that he and the Space Wolves carried out a class-10 clusterfucking on Prospero (aided along a bit by Magnus himself lowering his planet's defenses because he wanted to atone for his wrongdoings in the dumbest fucking way possible). It should have ended with the glorious finale where Leman Russ himself lifted Magnus the Red over his shoulders and broke the sorcerer's back over his knee (rumour has it that Russ could be heard shouting “Ah yes. I was wondering what would break first: your spirit… or your body!”...turns out it was both at the same time!). But even so, the red bastard managed to utter one single word of power and escaped through the fucking ground. Russ was so enraged that he ordered the 13th company of Space Wolves to pursue the fleeing Thousand Sons through their pansy-ass portals.

	(Though Russ lost his duel with Magnus. The Red Giant gained the upperhand and was going to kill Russ had his two Wolf Pets not intervene and distracted Magnus enough for Russ to counter-attack and win. 3 vs 1, Pathetic. Only Corax, Dorn and Lion were able to beat Traitor Primarchs on their own during the Heresy) (Previous author evidently forgot about Russ beating post-Moloch Horus himself and only not killing him due to hesitating twice.)

	This said, winning the Battle of Prospero left a bitter taste in Russ' mouth and complicated things for the Wolves in the long run. First of all, despite his reputation as the Emperor's Executioner, fighting Magnus took a serious toll on Russ. Rumour has it, that during the battle between those two demigods Magnus, by psychic means, laid his heart and mind bare to Russ, revealing that he knew not only every blow that was coming from his brother, but everything that he had come to know, accepting his failure and his fate, which was defeat. In the recently published Horus Heresy novel Wolfsbane Magnus' last words to Russ are finally revealed "You are a sword in the wrong hands. You have severed an innocent neck." In other words: Magnus was even aware that the wolves had been manipulated into wiping the Thousand Sons out, instead of detaining them and bringing them back to Terra (but not aware he wasn't actually innocent), and the idiot just let it happen instead of talking to Russ who wanted to ignore his orders and detain the Sons, in order to bring them back to Terra.		This said, winning the Battle of Prospero left a bitter taste in Russ' mouth and complicated things for the Wolves in the long run. First of all, despite his reputation as the Emperor's Executioner, fighting Magnus took a serious toll on Russ. Rumour has it, that during the battle between those two demigods Magnus, by psychic means, laid his heart and mind bare to Russ, revealing that he knew not only every blow that was coming from his brother, but everything that he had come to know, accepting his failure and his fate, which was defeat. In the recently published Horus Heresy novel Wolfsbane Magnus' last words to Russ are finally revealed "You are a sword in the wrong hands. You have severed an innocent neck." In other words: Magnus was even aware that the wolves had been manipulated into wiping the Thousand Sons out, instead of detaining them and bringing them back to Terra (but not aware he wasn't actually innocent), and the idiot just let it happen instead of talking to Russ who wanted to ignore his orders and detain the Sons, in order to bring them back to Terra.

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	Rumour has it that the Emp was so pleased with Russ' prowess, that he tasked him and the Space Wolves to be his executioners and it seems Russ is the reason the 2nd and 11th Legions no longer exist. So he has experience fucking up a Primarch, which is pretty goddamn manly. (Not confirmed by any sources and is not more than passing conversation in one Black Library novel, other than that, yeah totally definitely didn't kill the other legions. Also if you take how he acted with Angron and Magnus, he totally hated his job of being the executioner... and apparently thought Lorgar was a pretty cool guy; the title of executioner is very much a self given title; Russ believed that he had the “right” to unofficially police his brothers, just like he did with Angron (the Emperor was never even consulted, Russ just decided that he wanted too do it)- Vulkan once mentioned that the Wolves being sent by Russ to watch over the other Primarchs was considered to be a bit of a joke.		Rumour has it that the Emp was so pleased with Russ' prowess, that he tasked him and the Space Wolves to be his executioners and it seems Russ is the reason the 2nd and 11th Legions no longer exist. So he has experience fucking up a Primarch, which is pretty goddamn manly. (Not confirmed by any sources and is not more than passing conversation in one Black Library novel, other than that, yeah totally definitely didn't kill the other legions. Also if you take how he acted with Angron and Magnus, he totally hated his job of being the executioner... and apparently thought Lorgar was a pretty cool guy; the title of executioner is very much a self given title; Russ believed that he had the “right” to unofficially police his brothers, just like he did with Angron (the Emperor was never even consulted, Russ just decided that he wanted too do it)- Vulkan once mentioned that the Wolves being sent by Russ to watch over the other Primarchs was considered to be a bit of a joke.

	(The novel "Betrayer" give's Angron's version of their run-in, where he tells to Lorgar what happened. Russ had taken it upon himself to school the World Eaters as he was disgusted by their behavior. Angron was having none of Russ's babbling and picked a fight with him by insulting the Big.E. Angron eventually ~~defeats~~ Russ in single combat~~, and~~ the ~~world~~ Eaters ~~end~~ up killing ~~the wolves~~ faster ~~then~~ the ~~wolves can kill~~ them- because ~~they were~~ fighting to kill while Russ was trying to teach. It ~~then ends~~ with the Space Wolves nearest the battling ~~Primarch~~ outmaneuvering the Eaters and winning a tactical victory by surrounding Angron, some more hissing vitriol between the two Primarchs and Angron leaving. The World Eaters believed they won due to a higher kill count and the Wolves ~~leave~~ disappointed that their legion brothers were too retarded to see the lesson Russ was ~~teaching~~. It is pretty telling that even <u>Lorgar</u> ~~replies~~ to Angron that he was a complete tool on that night and would have been killed after hearing him boast of how he won against Russ. With that said, Lorgar was able to get Angron to learn the lesson Russ was trying to teach him by just talking to him ''for two minutes'', and he did it without getting a shit load of his own men killed or getting his ass ~~kicked~~ in a duel. Not only does it show just how badly Russ failed at what he had set out to do on the Night of the Wolf, but also how his own ~~hot headedness~~ and fundamental inability to understand his brothers can royally bite him in the ass.)		The novel "Betrayer" give's Angron's version of their run-in, where he tells to Lorgar what happened. Russ had taken it upon himself to school the World Eaters as he was disgusted by their behavior. Angron was having none of Russ's babbling and picked a fight with him by insulting the Big.E. Angron eventually downed Russ in single combat while the World Eaters ended up killing Wolves faster than the Wolves killed them - but this was because Angron was fighting to kill while Russ was trying to teach. It ended with the Space Wolves nearest the battling Primarchs outmaneuvering the World Eaters and winning a tactical victory by surrounding Angron, some more hissing vitriol between the two Primarchs and Angron leaving. The World Eaters believed they won that battle due to a higher kill count and the Wolves left disappointed that their legion brothers were too retarded to see the lesson Russ was trying to teach. It is pretty telling that even <u>Lorgar</u> replied to Angron that he was a complete tool on that night and would have been killed after hearing him boast of how he won against Russ. With that said, Lorgar was able to get Angron to learn the lesson Russ was trying to teach him by just talking to him ''for two minutes'', and he did it without getting a shit load of his own men killed or getting his ass handed to him in a duel. Not only does it show just how badly Russ failed at what he had set out to do on the Night of the Wolf, but also how his own hotheadedness and fundamental inability to understand his brothers can royally bite him in the ass.
	In addition, Russ “plan” wasn’t a very good one; in order to surround Angron the Wolves left themselves outnumbered in the rest of the field, which resulted in the World Eaters killing them at a much greater rate; they had achieved a localized superiority around Angron, at the cost of losing superiority across the rest of the battlefield. If Angron hadn’t stopped he would have very likely killed Russ, the surrounding wolves would have tried to kill him (not sure they could have succeeded), then the wolves themselves would have been surrounded by some very angry and vengeful Worlds Eaters; good thing Angron walked away or Russ’s plan would have resulted in two potentially dead Primarchs and two crippled legions- not sure this was very well thought out?

	Apart from that, Russ and his Space Wolves had a goddamn good time during the Great Crusade, although it hasn't been written about so this is all we can guess. Until ''Inferno'' dropped. It turns out that Russ and his legion earned their “dark” reputation during the process of fighting the Rangdan Xenocides, which saw entire Army regiments, Titan Legions and [REDACTED] Space Marine Legions (could be Chapters, could actually be entire Legions) wiped out (they along with the Lion and his legion were charged to do what ~~needed to~~ be done). With the Luna Woves up to the eyes in glorious warfare in the Galactic East, Russ and the VI headed north along with the I Legion - this is the war that ended the I's time as the largest Legion. The end of the Xenocides entailed a series of bio-pogroms which left the Wolves with a very ugly reputation, and from then on Russ' role was the doer of necessary dirty deeds.		In addition, Russ “plan” wasn’t a very good one: in order to surround Angron the Wolves left themselves outnumbered in the rest of the field, which resulted in the World Eaters killing them at a much greater rate. They did achieve localized superiority around Angron as Russ wanted, but at the cost of losing superiority across the rest of the battlefield. If Angron hadn’t stopped he would have very likely killed Russ, the surrounding Wolves would have tried to kill him (not sure they could have succeeded), then the Wolves themselves would have been surrounded by some very angry and vengeful Worlds Eaters. Good thing Angron walked away or Russ’ plan would have resulted in two potentially dead Primarchs and two crippled legions - not sure this was very well thought out?

			Apart from that, Russ and his Space Wolves had a goddamn good time during the Great Crusade, although it hasn't been written about so this is all we can guess. Until ''Inferno'' dropped. It turns out that Russ and his legion earned their “dark” reputation during the process of fighting the Rangdan Xenocides, which saw entire Army regiments, Titan Legions and [REDACTED] Space Marine Legions (could be Chapters, could actually be entire Legions) wiped out (they along with the Lion and his legion were charged to [[/tg/ gets shit done\|do what must be done!]]) With the Luna Woves up to the eyes in glorious warfare in the Galactic East, Russ and the VI headed north along with the I Legion - this is the war that ended the I's time as the largest Legion. The end of the Xenocides entailed a series of bio-pogroms which left the Wolves with a very ugly reputation, and from then on Russ' role was the doer of necessary dirty deeds.

	==Burning of Prospero and the Horus Heresy==		==Burning of Prospero and the Horus Heresy==

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	Either way, the events of Prospero shook the Wolf King deeply, but Russ decided to carry on and try to make the best of a real clusterfuck of a situation. (An Inquisitor once called it an "emo phase" in front of a Rune Priest, and was fed balls-first to a Thunderwolf.) Not long after that, the news of the Drop Site Massacre reached the Wolves; which was another blow for the Wolf King. In his own words, Russ felt he'd been "in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing", wasting his time and men fighting an eventually futile battle instead of standing with his brother Primarchs against the real threat. Just to make things worse, the [[Battle of the Alaxxes Nebula\|Alpha Legion turned up to batter the Wolves]] and prevent them from heading to Terra and helping Big E. As the rotten cherry on top of an already really bad cake, the White Scars, who'd been bros with the Thousand Sons and had no idea why Russ had just decided to fuck them up royally seemingly out of the blue, weren't going to help them after Prospero. But the [[Dark Angels]] of all people aided the Wolves in fighting off the Alpha Legion, letting the Wolves damage their fleet to an impressive degree. A plus here was that [[Bjorn the Fell-Handed]] came to his attention, setting the young warrior on the path to ironclad badassness. This said, when he went to Yarant to fight the main Traitor advance, Russ was badly injured, entering a coma and giving Bjorn temporary command of the Legion. He bought Dorn and the Emperor more time.		Either way, the events of Prospero shook the Wolf King deeply, but Russ decided to carry on and try to make the best of a real clusterfuck of a situation. (An Inquisitor once called it an "emo phase" in front of a Rune Priest, and was fed balls-first to a Thunderwolf.) Not long after that, the news of the Drop Site Massacre reached the Wolves; which was another blow for the Wolf King. In his own words, Russ felt he'd been "in the wrong place, doing the wrong thing", wasting his time and men fighting an eventually futile battle instead of standing with his brother Primarchs against the real threat. Just to make things worse, the [[Battle of the Alaxxes Nebula\|Alpha Legion turned up to batter the Wolves]] and prevent them from heading to Terra and helping Big E. As the rotten cherry on top of an already really bad cake, the White Scars, who'd been bros with the Thousand Sons and had no idea why Russ had just decided to fuck them up royally seemingly out of the blue, weren't going to help them after Prospero. But the [[Dark Angels]] of all people aided the Wolves in fighting off the Alpha Legion, letting the Wolves damage their fleet to an impressive degree. A plus here was that [[Bjorn the Fell-Handed]] came to his attention, setting the young warrior on the path to ironclad badassness. This said, when he went to Yarant to fight the main Traitor advance, Russ was badly injured, entering a coma and giving Bjorn temporary command of the Legion. He bought Dorn and the Emperor more time.

	One of the key reasons that the Wolves fared to badly against the Alpha legion fleet is that the Wolves, as a legion had badly neglected their void combat abilities; they were pretty terrible when it came to ship to ship combat. The Wolves considered it to be a boring and ‘unmanly’ way of fighting; only weak and cowardly people would want to fight at such long ranges- the true warrior wants to be eye to eye with his opponent when he kills him. Their fleet was considered to be more of a glorified taxi service ~~then~~ a way of fighting the enemy, a means to get their warriors from one battlefield to the next, and not much more. They would come to regret such an attitude, and would seek to correct this gap in their combat abilities.		One of the key reasons that the Wolves fared so badly against the Alpha legion fleet is that the Wolves, as a legion, had badly neglected their void combat abilities; they were pretty terrible when it came to ship to ship combat. The Wolves considered it to be a boring and ‘unmanly’ way of fighting; only weak and cowardly people would want to fight at such long ranges- the true warrior wants to be eye to eye with his opponent when he kills him. Their fleet was considered to be more of a glorified taxi service than a way of fighting the enemy, a means to get their warriors from one battlefield to the next, and not much more. They would come to regret such an attitude, and would seek to correct this gap in their combat abilities.

	After he escaped from the Alpha legion Russ limped back to Terra with what remained of his legion were he stayed for a few months doing repair’s and restocking. Despite his brothers asking him to remain so he could fight beside them when Horus finally arrived, Russ told them to fuck off, as he had no intention of staying on Terra. Russ took up the spear he hated so much and went on a suicidal mission, aimed at Horus himself. The Wolves made great progress until Russ stood before Horus himself. The two brothers fought and Russ was able to wound Horus with the spear, but didn’t follow through (the spear would have some interesting effects on Horus, but eventually would be the thing that would course Horus to fully embrace Chaos completely). Horus shrugged off the wound initially and preceded to beat Russ into the ground, if not for his wolves sacrificing themselves to allow his marines to drag him away he would have died. It was then that the wolves realized that their success in getting to Horus had been a trap, Horus had allowed them to get to him, but now the trap was sprung and the Sons of Horus swarmed the Wolves. By the time the wolves had carried Russ to his ship and escaped, the legion had been devastated. He had done exactly what he had accused Angron of doing, being so focused on fighting Horus that he had walked straight into a trap that had himself and his marines greatly outnumbered and surrounded- his tunnel vision had led his legion to destruction, like a lamb to slaughter.		After he escaped from the Alpha legion Russ limped back to Terra with what remained of his legion were he stayed for a few months doing repair’s and restocking. Despite his brothers asking him to remain so he could fight beside them when Horus finally arrived, Russ told them to fuck off, as he had no intention of staying on Terra. Russ took up the spear he hated so much and went on a suicidal mission, aimed at Horus himself. The Wolves made great progress until Russ stood before Horus himself. The two brothers fought and Russ was able to wound Horus with the spear, but didn’t follow through (the spear would have some interesting effects on Horus, but eventually would be the thing that would course Horus to fully embrace Chaos completely). Horus shrugged off the wound initially and preceded to beat Russ into the ground, if not for his wolves sacrificing themselves to allow his marines to drag him away he would have died. It was then that the wolves realized that their success in getting to Horus had been a trap, Horus had allowed them to get to him, but now the trap was sprung and the Sons of Horus swarmed the Wolves. By the time the wolves had carried Russ to his ship and escaped, the legion had been devastated. He had done exactly what he had accused Angron of doing, being so focused on fighting Horus that he had walked straight into a trap that had himself and his marines greatly outnumbered and surrounded- his tunnel vision had led his legion to destruction, like a lamb to slaughter.

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	Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.		Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.

	Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle a grievance ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the insult to his honour, one that would have to be ~~repayed~~ with a [[RIP_AND_TEAR\|beatdown]].		Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle a grievance ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the insult to his honour, one that would have to be repaid with a [[RIP_AND_TEAR\|beatdown]].

	However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.		However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.

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	Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.		Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.

	Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle ~~an insult~~ ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the ~~highest of insults~~, one that would have to be repayed with a [[RIP_AND_TEAR\|beatdown]].		Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle a grievance ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the insult to his honour, one that would have to be repayed with a [[RIP_AND_TEAR\|beatdown]].

	However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.		However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.

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2023-05-18T23:14:15Z

Post-Heresy

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	*That he is actually searching for Magnus, to finish the last task given to him by the Emperor and "arrest" his wayward brother.		*That he is actually searching for Magnus, to finish the last task given to him by the Emperor and "arrest" his wayward brother.
	*That he passed beyond the bounds of space and time and now roams among the gods, ready to return when needed accompanied by the fallen of his legion sundered in a paradise of warriors (so basically he's in the Age of Sigmar at this point? Somebody put him out of his misery, that's not a paradise that's hell on earth).		*That he passed beyond the bounds of space and time and now roams among the gods, ready to return when needed accompanied by the fallen of his legion sundered in a paradise of warriors (so basically he's in the Age of Sigmar at this point? Somebody put him out of his misery, that's not a paradise that's hell on earth).
	*That he's simply lost in the galactic fjord known as the Warp and has been playing drunken pranks on daemonic villagers for 10,000 years.		*[[TTS\|That he's simply lost in the galactic fjord known as the Warp and has been playing drunken pranks on daemonic villagers for 10,000 years.]]
	*During the second Great Hunt, Russ’s armor was discovered on an altar, within a Chaos temple; so yeah, his trip might not have gone to plan. A potential darker fate for Russ might have seen him join the other side (unlikely, but a possibility), he was killed by the forces of the blood god, or the beast inside finally won, and Russ has gone full [[Wolfen]].		*During the second Great Hunt, Russ’s armor was discovered on an altar, within a Chaos temple; so yeah, his trip might not have gone to plan. A potential darker fate for Russ might have seen him join the other side (unlikely, but a possibility), he was killed by the forces of the blood god, or the beast inside finally won, and Russ has gone full [[Wolfen]].

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2023-05-18T21:50:51Z

Russ and his Brothers

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	Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.		Again, Russ's lack of consideration was his failing. The whole thing stems from not only Russ’s bruised ego and his want to prove the naysayers in the Imperial court’s wrong, but the difference in upbringing between the two. After waiting for Russ to hold up his side of the plan, the Lion could wait no longer and finished the battle, taking the head of the enemy leader. Russ being denied his prize (that he felt was his due to the leader calling him mean names) attacked the Lion with the intent of hurting him as much as possible. A fight does not end until someone is unable to continue, gives up, or both sides agree to end it; Russ had started the fight by attacking the Lion, insisted on continuing the fight after he lost the duel- turning into a brutal brawl, then thought he could just laugh it off without his actions having any consequences. When asked if he yielded, he just laughed (yes he was laughing because he finally realized the stupidity of the situation, but he had still violently assaulted the Lion at the beginning- starting the fight) the fight was not over, so the Lion ended it.

	Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle an insult ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the highest of insults, one that would have to be ~~replayed~~ with a beatdown.		Russ was also used to the ways of the Sons of Fenris, where such brawls were a literal daily occurrence. Two warriors would get their blood hot, duff each other up until one was victorious, then they’d cool down and laugh it off over some warm mutton and an ale. To the Lion, however, the fact that Russ started a brawl ''after'' Lion had ''eliminated the person they were there to kill'', angered him. Combined with his arrogance in refusing to see that Russ was trying to settle an insult ''just like he would have'', caused him to see this as the highest of insults, one that would have to be repayed with a [[RIP_AND_TEAR\|beatdown]].

	However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.		However, while certainly abrasive, arrogant, and brutal, Russ was also every bit as loyal as Sanguinius or Dorn. The other thing Magnus, Angron, and the Lion had in common? All three of them behaved like assholes in their way. The Lion had zero people skills, arrogantly considered himself the best of all Primarchs, acted like he was some prince-in-waiting and lorded it over his brothers, him turning a small brawl into a duel of honour case in point. Magnus was much more enjoyable to be around but he arrogantly assumed he knew best because of his powers and blatantly favored psykers in his Legion. Angron's case is... [[Rage\|self-explanatory]]. Bottom line, his brothers all put their own feelings/goals before those of the Emperor. Not to say that Russ was tactful, diplomatic, or understanding with these three - he certainly could have handled all of these conflicts better - but Russ was never a dick just for the sake of being a dick - he was a dick because someone had to keep his brothers in line- or at least he thought so.