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1d4chan>Flutist: /* {{anchor|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank */ It's a stupid joke, yet somehow I find it hilarious

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{{anchor|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank: It's a stupid joke, yet somehow I find it hilarious

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	=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===		=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===
	[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]		[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|<s>Ferrus Manus</s>Thunderer Siege Tank.]]
	The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants SturmHaubitze 42]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.		The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants SturmHaubitze 42]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.

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How to Kill It

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	==How to Kill It==		==How to Kill It==

	The Leman Russ can be a tough adversary. If you're facing a guard player there's a good chance he's taken five of them, so you need to get creative. The stock Leman Russ is the most common variant you'll be facing. It's dirt cheap, comes with the Cadian battleforce, and generally gets the job done. The main thing you need to look out for is the battle cannon; With S8 AP3, it can smoke whole squads of just about anything, and any multi wound T4 models will get Insta Death'd as well. Spamming high strength weapons(Lascannons, Missiles, etc) can work if you are lucky. Lascannons, Melta, Lance or Armorbane are the only things that reliably pen a Russ. Use skimmers or deep striking units to quickly close and unleash punishing volleys and a Russ will go down quickly, Melee is also an excellent option forcing it to retreat on its next turn if you didn't kill it, particularly if you can charge from an obscured location and not receive overwatch as unlike the Baneblade the Leman Russ melee potential rivals a Fire warrior. MEQs can glance a Russ to death with their fists, and if they have something like powerfists or melta bombs its going to be dead real quick. Get into melee with even meaner units, like a Wraithlord or Dreadnought, and it's toast. Melee in general is good against guard, the only thing to worry about is being tarpitted by conscript hordes who can keep your expensive vehicle punchers stuck.		The Leman Russ can be a tough adversary. If you're facing a guard player there's a good chance he's taken five of them, so you need to get creative. The stock Leman Russ is the most common variant you'll be facing. It's dirt cheap, comes with the Cadian battleforce, and generally gets the job done. The main thing you need to look out for is the battle cannon; With S8 AP3, it can smoke whole squads of just about anything, and any multi wound T4 models will get Insta Death'd as well. Spamming high strength weapons(Lascannons, Missiles, etc) can work if you are lucky. Lascannons, Melta, Lance or Armorbane are the only things that reliably pen a Russ. Use skimmers or deep striking units to quickly close and unleash punishing volleys and a Russ will go down quickly, Melee is also an excellent option forcing it to retreat on its next turn if you didn't kill it, particularly if you can charge from an obscured location and not receive overwatch as unlike the Baneblade the Leman Russ melee potential rivals a Fire warrior. MEQs can glance a Russ to death with their fists, and if they have something like powerfists or melta bombs its going to be dead real quick. Get into melee with even meaner units, like a Wraithlord or Dreadnought, and it's toast. Melee in general is good against guard, the only thing to worry about is being tarpitted by conscript hordes who can keep your expensive vehicle punchers stuck. Or being blown up before you can get there.

	In general, get close. With its heavy, long range guns the Russ excels at long range shooting matches. So to save your infantry blobs from getting ground down close the distance. Or alpha strike it with something that's fast or can deep strike.		In general, get close. With its heavy, long range guns the Russ excels at long range shooting matches. So to save your infantry blobs from getting ground down close the distance. Or alpha strike it with something that's fast or can deep strike.

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	The '''Leman Russ Battle Tank''' is the most common tank in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. In appearance it is essentially the product of a drunken three-way between an old [[Wikipedia:Mark V tank\|British Mark-V]], a [[Wikipedia:Char B1\|French Char B1]], and a [[Wikipedia:T-34\|Russian T-34]]. It is also the biggest pain in the ass, point for point, that a player will encounter when fighting the [[Imperial Guard]]; the Leman Russ Battle Tank is so reliable and hard-hitting that it is named after the rapetastic Space Wolf Primarch, [[Leman Russ]] due to the legion's rediscovery of the design. The Leman Russ is widely considered one of the most religiously useful vehicles the Imperial Guard have on the tabletop, boasting both heavy firepower and good utility; it is easily one of the best tanks for cost in Warhammer 40K tabletop, with the ability to [[rape]] [[Necron]] and [[Space Marine\|SPESS MEHREEN]] players through judicious use of ordnance and weapons fire. Heavy armour and the ability to fire the main gun twice if it moves slowly makes it capable of delivering serious punishment - and that's before the tank's substantial secondary armament of [[Lascannon]], Heavy [[Bolter]]s, Plasma Cannons, and/or Multi-Meltas is factored in. The LRBT is not a tank designed for tactical advantage or to have the best possible MBT. It is designed for strategic superiority and to be shipped out by the millions to billions.		The '''Leman Russ Battle Tank''' is the most common tank in the [[Warhammer 40,000]] universe. In appearance it is essentially the product of a drunken three-way between an old [[Wikipedia:Mark V tank\|British Mark-V]], a [[Wikipedia:Char B1\|French Char B1]], and a [[Wikipedia:T-34\|Russian T-34]]. It is also the biggest pain in the ass, point for point, that a player will encounter when fighting the [[Imperial Guard]]; the Leman Russ Battle Tank is so reliable and hard-hitting that it is named after the rapetastic Space Wolf Primarch, [[Leman Russ]] due to the legion's rediscovery of the design. The Leman Russ is widely considered one of the most religiously useful vehicles the Imperial Guard have on the tabletop, boasting both heavy firepower and good utility; it is easily one of the best tanks for cost in Warhammer 40K tabletop, with the ability to [[rape]] [[Necron]] and [[Space Marine\|SPESS MEHREEN]] players through judicious use of ordnance and weapons fire. Heavy armour and the ability to fire the main gun twice if it moves slowly makes it capable of delivering serious punishment - and that's before the tank's substantial secondary armament of [[Lascannon]], Heavy [[Bolter]]s, Plasma Cannons, and/or Multi-Meltas is factored in. The LRBT is not a tank designed for tactical advantage or to have the best possible MBT. It is designed for strategic superiority and to be shipped out by the millions to billions.

	It looks older than the Emperor's toilet-dreadnought, however. One could argue that some of the Leman Russ' design elements, such as the tracks that overlap the hull and have no suspension whatsoever, are obsolete even by early 20th century standards. The tank kit itself is also old as balls, having been first released in 1994, and to some extent it lacks the very high level of detail found on newer plastic tank kits such as the [[Repulsor Tank\|Repulsor]]. That being said the model is well suited for kitbashing, and GW performed a mild refresh in 2010 when the option to build different main weapons was included as an update to the kit (to clarify- the kit was entirely redone, but the design remained vitually identical. The only real change was the turret, which became a little larger and gained armour plating, and new track markings to make assembly a bit more idiot-proof).		It looks older than the Emperor's toilet-dreadnought, however. One could argue that some of the Leman Russ' design elements, such as the tracks that overlap the hull and have no suspension whatsoever, are obsolete even by early 20th century standards if you don’t bother studying some early tank history that is very much applicable to 40k. For example, the arrangement of the tracks enable it to traverse extreme environments and broken/blasted terrain and its sponsons enable it to enfilade enemy positions and defend itself capably in close environments. Much like the reasons for the same design features in the Mark I tank it is heavily inspired by. The tank kit itself is also old as balls, having been first released in 1994, and to some extent it lacks the very high level of detail found on newer plastic tank kits such as the [[Repulsor Tank\|Repulsor]]. That being said the model is well suited for kitbashing, and GW performed a mild refresh in 2010 when the option to build different main weapons was included as an update to the kit (to clarify- the kit was entirely redone, but the design remained vitually identical. The only real change was the turret, which became a little larger and gained armour plating, and new track markings to make assembly a bit more idiot-proof).

	It's little wonder that the Leman Russ is one of the coolest tanks in 40k; it just oozes with the rugged badassery that the IG are known for. With a relatively low point cost, armor that makes it a real bitch to kill, and a massive amount of variants and upgrades, the Russ is the go to vehicle for almost every Imperial Guard player. If you play IG for tanks, the Leman Russ is going to be your bread and butter.		It's little wonder that the Leman Russ is one of the coolest tanks in 40k; it just oozes with the rugged badassery that the IG are known for. With a relatively low point cost, armor that makes it a real bitch to kill, and a massive amount of variants and upgrades, the Russ is the go to vehicle for almost every Imperial Guard player. If you play IG for tanks, the Leman Russ is going to be your bread and butter.

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	{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}		{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}
	{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}		{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}
	{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement.}}		{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement and sponsons.}}

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	{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}		{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}
	{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}		{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}
	{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way.}}		{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement.}}

1d4chan>Il Sergente Salvucci at 11:55, 16 February 2023

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	=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===		=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===
	[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]		[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]
	The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[~~SturmHaubitze 42\|~~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.		The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants SturmHaubitze 42]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.

	In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...		In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...

1d4chan>Il Sergente Salvucci: added the real world counterparts for the Thunderer siege tank and for the LR Conqueror

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added the real world counterparts for the Thunderer siege tank and for the LR Conqueror

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	When introduced it had a weaker cannon lacking AP and with a smaller blast radius but had rules allowing it to fire its gun and sponsons on the move. After all, it is intended to be a [[Wikipedia:cruiser tank\|cavalry tank]]: a faster, more lightly armed vehicle designed to exploit breakthroughs that slower, more heavily armed tanks could create but not exploit. Once it broke though, it would then overrun the enemy's rear areas, causing trouble behind enemy lines while the infantry tanks and regular infantry keep pressing the advance and securing ground behind it. Eventually everyone realized light tanks can do the same just as effectively in far greater numbers and far more cheaply. Now, five editions later, everything can move and shoot (with a penalty) and it's simply more dakka and a reroll paid for through shortening the cannon's range.		When introduced it had a weaker cannon lacking AP and with a smaller blast radius but had rules allowing it to fire its gun and sponsons on the move. After all, it is intended to be a [[Wikipedia:cruiser tank\|cavalry tank]]: a faster, more lightly armed vehicle designed to exploit breakthroughs that slower, more heavily armed tanks could create but not exploit. Once it broke though, it would then overrun the enemy's rear areas, causing trouble behind enemy lines while the infantry tanks and regular infantry keep pressing the advance and securing ground behind it. Eventually everyone realized light tanks can do the same just as effectively in far greater numbers and far more cheaply. Now, five editions later, everything can move and shoot (with a penalty) and it's simply more dakka and a reroll paid for through shortening the cannon's range.

			The closest equivalent of the LR Conqueror in the real world is the WW2-era [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III#Armament Panzer III Ausf. E]: the mass production version of the Panzer III equipped with a smaller main gun and twin coaxial MG-34s.

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	=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===		=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===
	[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]		[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]
	The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.		The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[SturmHaubitze 42\|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.

	In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...		In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...

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	=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===		=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===
	[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]		[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|<s>Ferrus Manus</s>Thunderer Siege Tank.]]
	The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants SturmHaubitze 42]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.		The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants SturmHaubitze 42]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.

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	{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}		{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}
	{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}		{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}
	{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement.}}		{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement and sponsons.}}

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	{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}		{{Topquote\|What I cannot crush with words I will crush with the tanks of the [[Imperial Guard]]!\|[[Lord Solar Macharius]]}}
	{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}		{{Topquote\|Your foe is [[Necron\|well equipped]], [[Eldar\|well-trained]], [[Ork\|battle-hardened]]. He believes [[Chaos\|his gods are on his side]]. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours.\|Colonel Joachim Pfeiff, [[Death Korps of Krieg\|Krieg]] 14th Armoured Regiment}}
	{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way.}}		{{Topquote\|Leman Russ was a rolling deathtrap. Its tall profile was so notoriously awful that no commander ever wanted to be squadron leader - the only thing big enough to shield a Leman Russ during operations was another Leman Russ, so better to keep the command unit ahead of you for as long as you could. Its fragile tracks were exposed and its armour was a mess of easy-to-hit vertical planes. The standard pattern sponson-bulges just presented another flat edge to destroy, another reason to be glad not to have them. The interior was noisy and prone to bursting into flames whenever a loader coughed too loudly. And, if you were truly unlucky enough to have those sponsons, there was only one escape hatch, right at the top of the main turret, and so the chances of getting out alive in case of all-too-likely disaster were practically zero. No, whoever had designed the Leman Russ - Kaska had always assumed it wasn't actually the primarch of the VI - was a moron. Or a sadist. Or both. The only things it had going for it were cheapness, mechanical reliability and a certain rugged survivability in numbers. The design was so brutally simple that the Imperium was able to churn them out by the million. It mattered less that each individual unit was a study in self-harm when you could overwhelm a battlefield with hundreds of them. Still, all in all, the crews had few illusions about the tanks they rode into war. Deathboxes, they were called, and homewreckers, and other, earthier, names too.\|[[Chris Wraight]] deciding to be edgy and not let stupid things such as an actual model or game rules get in the way. As well as demonstrating extreme ignorance in tank design, armored warfare, and the real-world reasons for design aspects such as the track arrangement.}}

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	When introduced it had a weaker cannon lacking AP and with a smaller blast radius but had rules allowing it to fire its gun and sponsons on the move. After all, it is intended to be a [[Wikipedia:cruiser tank\|cavalry tank]]: a faster, more lightly armed vehicle designed to exploit breakthroughs that slower, more heavily armed tanks could create but not exploit. Once it broke though, it would then overrun the enemy's rear areas, causing trouble behind enemy lines while the infantry tanks and regular infantry keep pressing the advance and securing ground behind it. Eventually everyone realized light tanks can do the same just as effectively in far greater numbers and far more cheaply. Now, five editions later, everything can move and shoot (with a penalty) and it's simply more dakka and a reroll paid for through shortening the cannon's range.		When introduced it had a weaker cannon lacking AP and with a smaller blast radius but had rules allowing it to fire its gun and sponsons on the move. After all, it is intended to be a [[Wikipedia:cruiser tank\|cavalry tank]]: a faster, more lightly armed vehicle designed to exploit breakthroughs that slower, more heavily armed tanks could create but not exploit. Once it broke though, it would then overrun the enemy's rear areas, causing trouble behind enemy lines while the infantry tanks and regular infantry keep pressing the advance and securing ground behind it. Eventually everyone realized light tanks can do the same just as effectively in far greater numbers and far more cheaply. Now, five editions later, everything can move and shoot (with a penalty) and it's simply more dakka and a reroll paid for through shortening the cannon's range.

			The closest equivalent of the LR Conqueror in the real world is the WW2-era [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_III#Armament Panzer III Ausf. E]: the mass production version of the Panzer III equipped with a smaller main gun and twin coaxial MG-34s.

	==={{anchor\|Annihilator}}Leman Russ Annihilator===		==={{anchor\|Annihilator}}Leman Russ Annihilator===
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	=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===		=== {{anchor\|Thunderer}} Thunderer Siege Tank ===
	[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]		[[File:99590105345_ThundererSiegeTank04.jpg\|250px\|right\|thumb\|Thunderer Siege Tank.]]
	The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.		The Laser Destroyer is a rare weapon, so units with Destroyers whose main cannon is destroyed will seldom be given a replacement; A [[Demolisher cannon]] is installed the laser destroyer's mount, resulting in the '''Thunderer Siege Tank'''. This tank is basically the [[SturmHaubitze 42\|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmgesch%C3%BCtz_III#Further_variants]](basically a StuG with its general purpose 75mm tank gun swapped for a 105mm howitzer intended for infantry support) of the 40K universe. It is essentially a faster, discounted [[#Demolisher\|Demolisher]], except its stuck with a fixed forward casemate (though if your Demolisher is in a position where it has to shoot something behind it, you are in a ''bad place'') and it cannot take any secondary weapons besides a pintle-mounted heavy stubber or storm bolter (not that it needs any more firepower than S10 AP2 5" Blast, though when the Vehicle Damage table comes calling you may be glad you took something else to lose on a Weapon Destroyed result). The reduced versatility means that most commanders would rather use a proper Demolisher, but as vehicle reserves run low, any Demolisher cannon is a welcome addition to the line of battle.

	In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...		In practice, it's gone from a tank destroyer to an assault gun; it functions like a more expensive (by 15 points), but ''much'' tougher [[Vindicator]] (which is rather hilarious, since Space Marines ''love'' the Vindicator, while the Thunderer is a second-line Guard assault gun usually passed over for the Leman Russ Demolisher). Don't mention this around [[Space Marines]] -- they're still bothered that the Imperial Guard have what amounts to a Vindicator with better armor on every facing and access to camo netting, which in turn inspired them to make the [[Land Raider Ares]]. But that comes with the price tag of a Land Raider, so...