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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.

	These tanks ~~are now being~~ sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for. They ~~should~~ have enough bridge vehicles, so God help the poor Russian ~~bastard~~ in a T55 that~~'ll be~~ facing these beasts.		These tanks have been sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Heavily modernized with state-of-the-art optics and fire control, in the case of the A6 a longer barrel too, and now sporting ERA added by their new owners, they are virtually without peer. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for. They have enough bridge vehicles though, so God help the poor Russian bastards in a T55 that are facing these beasts.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	If Warsaw Pact troops, and God alone knows why, feel like actually getting close to this thing, you get a pair of MG3 7.62mm Machine guns to remind them why their grandfathers feared the MG42 so much, one of which can be employed in an AA role.		If Warsaw Pact troops, and God alone knows why, feel like actually getting close to this thing, you get a pair of MG3 7.62mm Machine guns to remind them why their grandfathers feared the MG42 so much, one of which can be employed in an AA role.

	The Leopard 2 is protected by <s>the second-strongest frontal armor in the game with a value of</s> a mediocre FA18 <s>[[M1 Abrams\|Damn Yankees]]</s>. It also gets additional protection against HEAT warheads with the Chobham Armor Package increasing the side armor to 16 against them, though the unaltered value of 7 is enough to deal with things like autocannons and such. You definitely ~~dont~~ want to engage in any stand-up fights with the Leopard 2, so make sure whatever you're shooting at dies.		The Leopard 2 is protected by <s>the second-strongest frontal armor in the game with a value of</s> a mediocre FA18 <s>[[M1 Abrams\|Damn Yankees]]</s>. It also gets additional protection against HEAT warheads with the Chobham Armor Package increasing the side armor to 16 against them, though the unaltered value of 7 is enough to deal with things like autocannons and such. You definitely don't want to engage in any stand-up fights with the Leopard 2, so make sure whatever you're shooting at dies.

	But why haven't these units seen more play? Mostly because tanks in Team Yankee have proven to be far too inefficient when competing against infantry, especially with affordable ATGMs for all (just like in Ukraine). The Leopard 2 holds the crown for having some of the worst efficiency in the game unless used for the specific role of tank combat. For ELEVEN POINTS PER TANK (did we mention how expensive they were?), a Leopard 2 Zug would cost between 22 to 33 points! If taken in twos, a Leopard 2 has a very real chance of bailing on the spot due to morale, meaning that the true minimum cost is 33 points. For this, your opponent could purchase an entire infantry platoon, with artillery and a couple of ATGMs. Even the Germans can purchase an infantry COMPANY with some support for the price.		But why haven't these units seen more play? Mostly because tanks in Team Yankee have proven to be far too inefficient when competing against infantry, especially with affordable ATGMs for all (just like in Ukraine). The Leopard 2 holds the crown for having some of the worst efficiency in the game unless used for the specific role of tank combat. For ELEVEN POINTS PER TANK (did we mention how expensive they were?), a Leopard 2 Zug would cost between 22 to 33 points! If taken in twos, a Leopard 2 has a very real chance of bailing on the spot due to morale, meaning that the true minimum cost is 33 points. For this, your opponent could purchase an entire infantry platoon, with artillery and a couple of ATGMs. Even the Germans can purchase an infantry COMPANY with some support for the price.

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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for. They should have enough bridge vehicles, ~~but only time will tell if~~ the ~~Leopard becomes~~ a ~~game changer like his grandpa~~.		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for. They should have enough bridge vehicles, so God help the poor Russian bastard in a T55 that'll be facing these beasts.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for. They should have enough bridge vehicles, but only time will tell if the Leopard becomes a game changer like his grandpa.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	The Leopard 2 remains in service to this day and country after country has bought them from Germany. Even nations as far as Indonesia choose to equip their armored forces with the Leopard 2, thanks to its legendary reliability, excellent gun accuracy and toughness. In the 21st century, the Leopard 2 competes rather comfortably with contemporary designs like the T-90, Abrams and Challenger 2, depending on mission requirements and environment. However recent conflict has exposed one of the designs major flaws ammo in the hull is unprotected and is becoming a glaring flaw in the design. Even as the Russians experiment with the T-14's 152mm main gun, the Germans are testing out the 130mm. Time will tell which is the caliber of the future. Some modern Leopard 2s have been upgraded to include one of the greatest innovations in the recent history of armored vehicles: Air Conditioning.		The Leopard 2 remains in service to this day and country after country has bought them from Germany. Even nations as far as Indonesia choose to equip their armored forces with the Leopard 2, thanks to its legendary reliability, excellent gun accuracy and toughness. In the 21st century, the Leopard 2 competes rather comfortably with contemporary designs like the T-90, Abrams and Challenger 2, depending on mission requirements and environment. However recent conflict has exposed one of the designs major flaws ammo in the hull is unprotected and is becoming a glaring flaw in the design. Even as the Russians experiment with the T-14's 152mm main gun, the Germans are testing out the 130mm. Time will tell which is the caliber of the future. Some modern Leopard 2s have been upgraded to include one of the greatest innovations in the recent history of armored vehicles: Air Conditioning.

	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser ~~Active Protect systems~~ might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the "Main Ground Combat System", or MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3"), to replace their currently in-service Leclerc and Leopard 2 by the 2030s. Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser active protection system might actually be a thing.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].

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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]~~. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for so only time will tell how well this goes for the Ukies~~.		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.

	These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].		These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]]. Much like the original [[Tiger\|big cat]], the Leopard is heavier than Soviet bridge specs were built for so only time will tell how well this goes for the Ukies.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.		Meanwhile Germany and France are co-developing the MGCS (what many call the "Leopard 3" by the 2030s). Additionally, a German rival design was revealed with a concept vehicle known as the Panther KF51 revealed in 2022. In an attempt to avoid falling into the pitfall that now plagues many western weapon procurement programs. By that time laser Active Protect systems might actually be a thing.

			These tanks are now being sent to Ukraine along with the [[M1 Abrams]] and the [[Challenger 1\|Challenger 2]].

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}