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	The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Makin Island Raid) in 1943.		The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Makin Island Raid) in 1943.

	On the Commonwealth side of things, it was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.		On the Commonwealth side of things, it was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.

			The M3 was withdrawn everywhere after the war, although it's M31 recovery vehicle variant found its way into Israeli service, until eventually being superseded by M4 derivatives.

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	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

	About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters. The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Makin Island Raid) in 1943. It was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.		About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters.

			The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Makin Island Raid) in 1943.

			On the Commonwealth side of things, it was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.

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	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

	About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters. The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier ~~Making~~ Island Raid) in 1943. It was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.		About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters. The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Makin Island Raid) in 1943. It was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.

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	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

	About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters~~, where~~ a few ~~served as late as 1944~~.		About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters. The only American use against Japan was during the Makin Island Assault immediately after the more famous Battle of Tarawa (and not to be confused with the earlier Making Island Raid) in 1943. It was used to great effect at the Burma front and served until the end of the war in September 1945. Australia kept a few for training after the war until better models were purchased.

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	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

	About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from ~~1941~~ onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters, where a few served as late as 1944.		About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1942 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters, where a few served as late as 1944.

	{{US Forces in Flames of War}}		{{US Forces in Flames of War}}
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	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

	About 1,000 M3s ~~did serve~~ on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing the ~~environmental and~~ logistical ~~conditions there were much different~~, ~~and there~~ was also the problem that from 1941 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of it. ~~As a consequence~~ the Lee ~~quickly proved unpopular~~ and ~~received~~ the nickname "a coffin for seven brothers." ~~This~~ wasn't ~~helped by~~ the ~~fact that~~ the far superior [[T-34]] ~~had already been available for some time and would soon be produced~~ at a rate of ~~over~~ 1,500 per ''month~~''; the~~ handful of surviving M3s were ~~soon~~ taken off ~~active~~ duty.		About 1,000 M3s served on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing, the Lee's petrol engine (that's gasoline for you Americans) was a great logistical inconvenience, as the Red Army preferred to use diesel. There was also the ''slight'' problem that from 1941 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of the Lee. The inherent flammability of the Lee's fuel load definitely didn't help this problem as critically struck Lees tended to explode in shrapnel and flame. For these reasons the Lee was widely disliked, a sentiment that can be summed up with the nickname that it earned: "a coffin for seven brothers." To be fair to the M3, it wasn't really supposed to be a frontline tank for more than its first year or two of operation, and certainly not in a hellish meatgrinder like the Eastern Front. In any event, the Red Army already had a far superior tank in the form of the [[T-34]], which was being built at a rate of 1,500 per month. The handful of surviving M3s were taken off frontline duty and were relegated to secondary roles and lower-intensity theaters, where a few served as late as 1944.

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	Outdated the day it hit the battlefield, the M3 was a crash project to field an American tank with a 75mm gun in large numbers ''immediately,'' due to the fact that the M4 Sherman was still a year or two away from entering production. Though it had serious shortcomings as a fighting vehicle, the basic M3 chassis and mechanical design were versatile and reliable. These elements would be retained in the M4 Sherman family of vehicles and related derivatives, such as the [[M7 Priest]].		Outdated the day it hit the battlefield, the M3 was a crash project to field an American tank with a 75mm gun in large numbers ''immediately,'' due to the fact that the M4 Sherman was still a year or two away from entering production. Though it had serious shortcomings as a fighting vehicle, the basic M3 chassis and mechanical design were versatile and reliable. These elements would be retained in the M4 Sherman family of vehicles and related derivatives, such as the [[M7 Priest]].

	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it. ~~This being said~~, the Eastern Front ~~wasn't kind to them so when some of them~~ were ~~used~~ by the ~~Red~~ Army ~~(not helped by how this~~ was ~~when~~ the ~~[[T-34]] had already gotten going), they~~ quickly proved unpopular and received the nickname "a coffin for seven brothers" ~~given~~ the ~~M3 Lee~~ had a ~~crew~~ of ~~seven crammed into it~~.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.

			About 1,000 M3s did serve on the Eastern Front via Lend-Lease, but they were not well regarded by the Soviet Army. For one thing the environmental and logistical conditions there were much different, and there was also the problem that from 1941 onward the Germans were consistently fielding tanks and weaponry that could easily dispose of it. As a consequence the Lee quickly proved unpopular and received the nickname "a coffin for seven brothers." This wasn't helped by the fact that the far superior [[T-34]] had already been available for some time and would soon be produced at a rate of over 1,500 per ''month''; the handful of surviving M3s were soon taken off active duty.

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	Outdated the day it hit the battlefield, the M3 was a crash project to field an American tank with a 75mm gun in large numbers ''immediately,'' due to the fact that the M4 Sherman was still a year or two away from entering production. Though it had serious shortcomings as a fighting vehicle, the basic M3 chassis and mechanical design were versatile and reliable. These elements would be retained in the M4 Sherman family of vehicles and related derivatives, such as the [[M7 Priest]].		Outdated the day it hit the battlefield, the M3 was a crash project to field an American tank with a 75mm gun in large numbers ''immediately,'' due to the fact that the M4 Sherman was still a year or two away from entering production. Though it had serious shortcomings as a fighting vehicle, the basic M3 chassis and mechanical design were versatile and reliable. These elements would be retained in the M4 Sherman family of vehicles and related derivatives, such as the [[M7 Priest]].

	The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it.		The Lee saw its best days in the Africa campaign, where its armor and weaponry were effective against the Panzer III and IV. Encounters with repurposed 88mm AA guns ended badly, and the riveted hull was known to have spalling issues, but the design was highly regarded for its reliability and low maintenance even in desert conditions. The Lee's firepower was very welcome after the awkward early war wimpy guns, and it was great against Japanese forces who had no practical tank that matched it. This being said, the Eastern Front wasn't kind to them so when some of them were used by the Red Army (not helped by how this was when the [[T-34]] had already gotten going), they quickly proved unpopular and received the nickname "a coffin for seven brothers" given the M3 Lee had a crew of seven crammed into it.

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	[[Category:Flames Of War]]		[[Category:Flames Of War]]