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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The worst offender was the ''Shillelagh'' ATGM: the Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a ''Shillelagh'' ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. Worse, the tank might have been air-~~droppableb~~ but the ATGM's themselves [[FAIL\|weren't]], as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. To compound problems further, the 152mm gun/launcher was such a high caliber for the Sheridan's overall size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot, making switching from HE shells to ATGM's a pain. (It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.)		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The worst offender was the ''Shillelagh'' ATGM: the Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a ''Shillelagh'' ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. Worse, the tank might have been air-droppable but the ATGM's themselves [[FAIL\|weren't]], as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. To compound problems further, the 152mm gun/launcher was such a high caliber for the Sheridan's overall size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot, making switching from HE shells to ATGM's a pain. (It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.)

	Thus, with the end result buggier than an iPhone the Sheridans in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]]. But, while the infantry loved the Sheridan for its direct-fire support, the lack of a working AT ammunition got them [[rape\|REKT]] in turn when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. This proved to be the beginning of the end for the Sheridan, and it was gradually phased out over the end of the 20thst century. As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		Thus, with the end result buggier than an iPhone the Sheridans in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]]. But, while the infantry loved the Sheridan for its direct-fire support, the lack of a working AT ammunition got them [[rape\|REKT]] in turn when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. This proved to be the beginning of the end for the Sheridan, and it was gradually phased out over the end of the 20thst century. As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	{{topquote\|Always make the enemy think you know more than you really know.\|Gen. Phillip Sheridan}}		{{topquote\|Always make the enemy think you know more than you really know.\|Gen. Phillip Sheridan}}

	The M551 Sheridan was an American <s>Light Tank</s> Airborne Assault Vehicle that was rushed into service to meet the demand for armored vehicles in Vietnam. Unique for its time, the 152mm main gun was able to fire anti-tank guided missiles FROM THE BARREL. ~~Although~~ the missile option was never used in Vietnam and ~~were~~ ultimately replaced with the more ubiquitous BGM-71 TOW missile launcher. Instead, the Sheridan was primarily an infantry support vehicle, using its low-velocity cannon to fire HE Shells.		The M551 Sheridan was an American <s>Light Tank</s> Airborne Assault Vehicle that was rushed into service to meet the demand for armored vehicles in Vietnam. Unique for its time, the 152mm main gun was able to fire anti-tank guided missiles FROM THE BARREL. However, the missile option was never used in Vietnam and ultimately replaced with the more ubiquitous BGM-71 TOW missile launcher. Instead, the Sheridan was primarily an infantry support vehicle, using its low-velocity cannon to fire HE Shells.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The ~~Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM~~ was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ~~ATGM~~'s '''~~WEREN'T''', as~~ the ~~solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan~~'s ~~in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when~~ the ~~northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war~~, ~~and records of its use in Cambodia make~~ it ~~sound [[rape\|highly effective]] It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000~~ produced ~~ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551~~. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a Shillelagh ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. ~~The Army~~'s ~~performance demands from Ford Aerospace~~ for the ~~missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology~~, ~~not if it was going~~ to ~~be mass~~ produced.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The worst offender was the ''Shillelagh'' ATGM: the Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a ''Shillelagh'' ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. Worse, the tank might have been air-droppableb but the ATGM's themselves [[FAIL\|weren't]], as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. To compound problems further, the 152mm gun/launcher was such a high caliber for the Sheridan's overall size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot, making switching from HE shells to ATGM's a pain. (It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.)

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		Thus, with the end result buggier than an iPhone the Sheridans in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]]. But, while the infantry loved the Sheridan for its direct-fire support, the lack of a working AT ammunition got them [[rape\|REKT]] in turn when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. This proved to be the beginning of the end for the Sheridan, and it was gradually phased out over the end of the 20thst century. As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	God, where to begin with this one? The M551 was a cursed design on so many levels it becomes funny so tragic it is...		God, where to begin with this one? The M551 was a cursed design on so many levels it becomes funny so tragic it is...

	As with most such cases, one has to look to the immediate post-WWII and the Korea War to see where it all started. During that period, the US Army was fielding the M41 ''Walker Bulldog'' as a light tank. Except~~...~~ the M41 wasn't exactly light: a ~~compromise between mobility~~ and ~~firepower~~, it was... ~~ultimately lacking on both parts: too heavy~~ and ~~not mobile enough for~~ the ~~role of a~~ light tank, and ~~undergunned for~~ the ~~role of a medium~~.		As with most such cases, one has to look to the immediate post-WWII and the Korea War to see where it all started. During that period, the US Army was fielding the M41 ''Walker Bulldog'' as a light tank. A compromise between mobility and firepower, it was fast for a vehicle of its size and had good firepower for a light tank. Except the M41 wasn't exactly light: it was about the same size and weight as a WWII medium tank. It was too big for reconnaissance and too heavy for air drops, and would drain its fuel tank dry in less than 100 miles. All in all, it was a complete failure as a light tank and just barely adequate for frontline combat.

			Fast-forward to the early sixties: the Army is pushing for a successor to the M41. This time, they want a proper LIGHT tank for doing light tank duties, and there's a promising prototype, the T92... And then those goddamn Red bastards have to come and ruin the day as they start fielding air-droppable, amphibious and ATGM-equipped 'light tank' designs. The Army saw, took duly note, and decided that whatever the Reds had; they had to have too! Exit the T92, as while it can be made air-droppable it cannot easily made to be amphibious, and the Army adamantly believed their light tank needed to do both to oppose those dirty commies.

	Fast-forward tot the early sixties: the Army is pushing for a successor to the M41. This time, they want a proper LIGHT tank for doing light tank duties, and there's a promising prototype, the T92... And then those goddamn red bastards have to come and ruin the day as they start fielding air-droppable, amphibious and ATGM-equipped 'light tank' designs. The Army saw, took duly note, and decided that whatever the Reds had; they had to have too! Exit the T92, as while it can be made air-droppable it cannot easily made to be amphibious, and the Army adamantly believed their light tank needed to do both to oppose those dirty commies.
	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]] It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a Shillelagh ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. The Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced~~. In 2021 we could do much, much better~~.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]] It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a Shillelagh ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. The Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

	...theoretically the current vehicle in the Sheridan's role is the M1128 Mobile Gun System version of the Stryker BTR clone, I mean, armored car. It has a 105mm gun with a carousel autoloader in the turret. On paper this should make it highly effective. But, like so many prior attempts, the MGS is top-heavy and more prone to flipping over than a 1988 Suzuki Samurai. The long gun barrel does not allow for much in the way of traversal while navigating narrow Middle Eastern streets--this turned out to be pretty important because the Fedayeen Saddam and Al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't bring a lot of tonks with them to the fight, just AK47s, RPGs, suicide bomb vests, and suicide truck bombs, so the light armored vehicle with the big crew-served direct-fire gun was called upon for infantry support in urban warfare, instead of duking it out with the Eighth Guards Tank Army in the Fulda Gap--and it is horribly overweight, prone to bogging down and bottoming out in soft sand, one of the few problems the Sheridan didn't have. Despite its excessive weight a sixty-year-old RPG is still capable of turning it into a mobile crematorium for its crew from any angle, though I suppose it is unfair to expect light AFVs to protect their crews as well as MBTs do. The ammo loadout for the main gun is not large. And unlike the Sheridan, it's NOT air-droppable. The problems are sufficient that the Big Army has suspended further orders and is looking around, again, for a Sheridan replacement, again, like they've been doing since the Carter Administration.

	You know what would be cool? Bring back the Sheridan, but fix the problems with the missiles--through-the-gun-tube long-range laser-guided ATGMs are being mass produced right now in China and India, for fuck's sake. Buy it from them, put it in a styrofoam sleeve to hold it centered in the 152mm gun breech, and there you go. Or design a new ATGM and put that big fat 152mm caliber to use, with something like a really big, modern, 21st Century dual-charge tandem warhead, and build fire-and-forget capability in, like the Javelin has had for 25 years now. Give the commander and gunner modern thermal sights. Add a laser rangefinder and modern ballistic computer for the unguided rounds from the gun. Use the vehicle for infantry support in the streets of places like Baghdad and Fallujah like they use the MGS--only with that stubby gun tube, it can actually rotate its turret while sitting between buildings. Give it a nice big fat 152mm HE round for infantry support, one with some nice notched wire frag coils for preformed shrapnel. I'm sure the blueprints for those flechette rounds they used in the 'Nam are still sitting around somewhere too, but if flechettes aren't PC now, how hard could it be to give it WWI style canister antipersonnel round filled with ball bearings? There. It'd be no worse than the MGS, and modern electronics and a modern missile wouldn't have all the problems the Sheridan had 55 years ago.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]] It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a Shillelagh ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. The Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. In 2021 we could do much, much better.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

			...theoretically the current vehicle in the Sheridan's role is the M1128 Mobile Gun System version of the Stryker BTR clone, I mean, armored car. It has a 105mm gun with a carousel autoloader in the turret. On paper this should make it highly effective. But, like so many prior attempts, the MGS is top-heavy and more prone to flipping over than a 1988 Suzuki Samurai. The long gun barrel does not allow for much in the way of traversal while navigating narrow Middle Eastern streets--this turned out to be pretty important because the Fedayeen Saddam and Al-Qaeda in Iraq didn't bring a lot of tonks with them to the fight, just AK47s, RPGs, suicide bomb vests, and suicide truck bombs, so the light armored vehicle with the big crew-served direct-fire gun was called upon for infantry support in urban warfare, instead of duking it out with the Eighth Guards Tank Army in the Fulda Gap--and it is horribly overweight, prone to bogging down and bottoming out in soft sand, one of the few problems the Sheridan didn't have. Despite its excessive weight a sixty-year-old RPG is still capable of turning it into a mobile crematorium for its crew from any angle, though I suppose it is unfair to expect light AFVs to protect their crews as well as MBTs do. The ammo loadout for the main gun is not large. And unlike the Sheridan, it's NOT air-droppable. The problems are sufficient that the Big Army has suspended further orders and is looking around, again, for a Sheridan replacement, again, like they've been doing since the Carter Administration.

			You know what would be cool? Bring back the Sheridan, but fix the problems with the missiles--through-the-gun-tube long-range laser-guided ATGMs are being mass produced right now in China and India, for fuck's sake. Buy it from them, put it in a styrofoam sleeve to hold it centered in the 152mm gun breech, and there you go. Or design a new ATGM and put that big fat 152mm caliber to use, with something like a really big, modern, 21st Century dual-charge tandem warhead, and build fire-and-forget capability in, like the Javelin has had for 25 years now. Give the commander and gunner modern thermal sights. Add a laser rangefinder and modern ballistic computer for the unguided rounds from the gun. Use the vehicle for infantry support in the streets of places like Baghdad and Fallujah like they use the MGS--only with that stubby gun tube, it can actually rotate its turret while sitting between buildings. Give it a nice big fat 152mm HE round for infantry support, one with some nice notched wire frag coils for preformed shrapnel. I'm sure the blueprints for those flechette rounds they used in the 'Nam are still sitting around somewhere too, but if flechettes aren't PC now, how hard could it be to give it WWI style canister antipersonnel round filled with ball bearings? There. It'd be no worse than the MGS, and modern electronics and a modern missile wouldn't have all the problems the Sheridan had 55 years ago.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel ~~couldn't be formulated~~ to ~~consistently survive the landing~~. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The worst offender was the ''Shillelagh'' ATGM: the Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a ''Shillelagh'' ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. Worse, the tank might have been air-~~droppableb~~ but the ATGM's themselves [[FAIL\|weren't]], as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. To compound problems further, the 152mm gun/launcher was such a high caliber for the Sheridan's overall size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot, making switching from HE shells to ATGM's a pain. (It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.)		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The worst offender was the ''Shillelagh'' ATGM: the Army's performance demands from Ford Aerospace for the missile circa 1963 were audacious--too audacious for 1960s or 1970s technology, not if it was going to be mass produced. Part of the problem was that due to limitations of the guidance system, designed in the 1960s, a ''Shillelagh'' ATGM could not be fired at closer than 730 meters, held by some to be greater than the distance to which the main gun could be fired with any accuracy. It took that long to stabilize and begin accepting guidance input from the gunner. Worse, the tank might have been air-droppable but the ATGM's themselves [[FAIL\|weren't]], as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. To compound problems further, the 152mm gun/launcher was such a high caliber for the Sheridan's overall size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot, making switching from HE shells to ATGM's a pain. (It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.)

	Thus, with the end result buggier than an iPhone the Sheridans in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]]. But, while the infantry loved the Sheridan for its direct-fire support, the lack of a working AT ammunition got them [[rape\|REKT]] in turn when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. This proved to be the beginning of the end for the Sheridan, and it was gradually phased out over the end of the 20thst century. As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		Thus, with the end result buggier than an iPhone the Sheridans in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers. The 152mm gun did have an antipersonnel flechette round available late in the war, and records of its use in Cambodia make it sound [[rape\|highly effective]]. But, while the infantry loved the Sheridan for its direct-fire support, the lack of a working AT ammunition got them [[rape\|REKT]] in turn when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. This proved to be the beginning of the end for the Sheridan, and it was gradually phased out over the end of the 20thst century. As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel ~~couldn't be formulated~~ to ~~consistently survive the landing~~. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel tended to crack during drop testing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as the solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.

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	This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.		This however got them into a pinch: having switched to the MBT doctrine and already pouring massive budget in the MBT-70 project (another can of worms best left opened for another day and place), the Army simply could not ask for more budget for yet another tank. So they [[Rules lawyer\|elegantly reclassified]] the new project as an "Armored Reconnaissance/Airborne Assault Vehicle" instead, and pushed it through with the alluring sales pitch the vehicle would be [[awesome\|lightweight, amphibious, air-droppable, and able to use both state-of-the-art caseless munitions and ATGMs]]. In theory, the perfect lightweight jack-of-all-trades to support the bigger full-fledged tanks currently in development.

	Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.		Sadly enough, in practice the Sheridan turned out to be a [[FAIL\|complete and utter master-of-none]]. It was air-droppable and amphibious, yes, and its light structure made it less at risk to bog down or throw tracks than his bigger M48 and M60 cousins. But for the rest. Nothing. Worked. As. Intended! The Sheridan served as a machine gun/howitzer pillbox in Vietnam as its ATGM was buggier than an iPhone, its gun was such a high caliber for its size that every time it fired the vehicle bucked backward and all the fucking electronics had to go through a full reboot. The tank might have been air-droppable, but the ATGM's '''WEREN'T''', as solid rocket fuel couldn't be formulated to consistently survive the landing. The Sheridan's in Vietnam simply weren't issued any ATGMs, limiting them to chuck their caseless HE at footsloggers; which got them [[rape\|REKT]] when the northern commies sent proper MBT's into the dance. It is sad/hilarious that of the over 80.000 produced ATGM's, no more than a dozen were ever fired at a real enemy over the entire lifespan of the M551.

	As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.		As final nail in the poor Sheridan's coffin, [[Herp\|in their stupidity the US Army retired it during the 90's without a proper replacement]]. Projects like the RDF LT were launched and many companies opened private ventures. [https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=79&ProductID=8989 The latter of which is now being introduced into the game]. Today the Army is holding a competition for a new Light Tank. With the big three (General Dynamics, BAE Systems and Raython) offering up their own platforms for the program as the Stryker based M1128 Mobile Gun System isn't up to the task. Insult to injury, when the Sheridan was retired from active service, the National Training Center picked up a couple and [[pretend\|dressed them up as Soviet Bloc vehicles (T-72s, T80s, and BMPs)]] to help train US servicemen in identifying possible enemy tanks.