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	As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.		As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.

	An experimental German IFV, it was developed in the late 1980s to replace the ageing [[[[Marder Zug\|Marder IFV]]. Aside from the name it has little in common with it's predecessor with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) passenger troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.		An experimental German IFV, it was developed in the late 1980s to replace the ageing [[Marder Zug\|Marder IFV]]. Aside from the name it has little in common with it's predecessor with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) passenger troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.

	Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.		Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.

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	As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.		As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.

	~~The Marder 2 was an~~ experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the ~~aging~~ Marder IFV. Aside from the name it has little in common with ~~[[Marder Zug\|~~it's predecessor]] with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) passenger troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.		An experimental German IFV, it was developed in the late 1980s to replace the ageing [[[[Marder Zug\|Marder IFV]]. Aside from the name it has little in common with it's predecessor with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) passenger troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.

	Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.		Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.

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	As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.		As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.

	The Marder 2 was an experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the aging Marder IFV. Aside from the name it has little in common with [[Marder Zug\|it's predecessor]] with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.		The Marder 2 was an experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the aging Marder IFV. Aside from the name it has little in common with [[Marder Zug\|it's predecessor]] with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) passenger troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.

	Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.		Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.

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	The biggest weakness of the Marder II at this point is the classic German Achilles heel of small unit sizes. The Bradley can be taken in units of 4, the Warrior can go up to 5, and the BMP-3 can go up to units of 14, but the Marder can only go up to units of 3, maxed out. The Spah Trupps suffer from a similar weakness as Bradley Cav lists, with units of 2 for 3 points base. This means that, while your units are cheaper than those IFV options, they will generally end up outnumbered, in classic West German tradition. This does give you more space in you lists for the dedicated AT that these things lack, however, and the higher German morale and tougher protection these things have will help keep your units around for longer.		The biggest weakness of the Marder II at this point is the classic German Achilles heel of small unit sizes. The Bradley can be taken in units of 4, the Warrior can go up to 5, and the BMP-3 can go up to units of 14, but the Marder can only go up to units of 3, maxed out. The Spah Trupps suffer from a similar weakness as Bradley Cav lists, with units of 2 for 3 points base. This means that, while your units are cheaper than those IFV options, they will generally end up outnumbered, in classic West German tradition. This does give you more space in you lists for the dedicated AT that these things lack, however, and the higher German morale and tougher protection these things have will help keep your units around for longer.

	Initial assessments in the current infantry heavy meta are quite positive. Chobham armor makes it a tough nut to crack for opposing infantry, and make it an excellent choice for assaults; while autocannons can still a threat you have a good chance at saving against everything excepting other Marder IIs. ROF 3, 14″ move, skill 3+, combine to allow for excellent firepower on the move while making you difficult to engage in return. Competitive play is ever-evolving, but for the moment you should expect to see some of these at any serious event.		Initial assessments in the current infantry heavy meta are quite positive. Chobham armor makes it a tough nut to crack for opposing infantry, and make it an excellent choice for assaults; while autocannons can still be a threat you have a good chance at saving against everything excepting other Marder IIs. ROF 3, 14″ move, skill 3+, combine to allow for excellent firepower on the move while making you difficult to engage in return. Competitive play is ever-evolving, but for the moment you should expect to see some of these at any serious event.

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	The biggest weakness of the Marder II at this point is the classic German Achilles heel of small unit sizes. The Bradley can be taken in units of 4, the Warrior can go up to 5, and the BMP-3 can go up to units of 14, but the Marder can only go up to units of 3, maxed out. The Spah Trupps suffer from a similar weakness as Bradley Cav lists, with units of 2 for 3 points base. This means that, while your units are cheaper than those IFV options, they will generally end up outnumbered, in classic West German tradition. This does give you more space in you lists for the dedicated AT that these things lack, however, and the higher German morale and tougher protection these things have will help keep your units around for longer.		The biggest weakness of the Marder II at this point is the classic German Achilles heel of small unit sizes. The Bradley can be taken in units of 4, the Warrior can go up to 5, and the BMP-3 can go up to units of 14, but the Marder can only go up to units of 3, maxed out. The Spah Trupps suffer from a similar weakness as Bradley Cav lists, with units of 2 for 3 points base. This means that, while your units are cheaper than those IFV options, they will generally end up outnumbered, in classic West German tradition. This does give you more space in you lists for the dedicated AT that these things lack, however, and the higher German morale and tougher protection these things have will help keep your units around for longer.

			Initial assessments in the current infantry heavy meta are quite positive. Chobham armor makes it a tough nut to crack for opposing infantry, and make it an excellent choice for assaults; while autocannons can still a threat you have a good chance at saving against everything excepting other Marder IIs. ROF 3, 14″ move, skill 3+, combine to allow for excellent firepower on the move while making you difficult to engage in return. Competitive play is ever-evolving, but for the moment you should expect to see some of these at any serious event.

	==In Real Life==		==In Real Life==

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	[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Dabbo]]		[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Dabbo]]

	The Marder 2 was an experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the aging Marder IFV. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted in service due to its high cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.		As with the [[M247 Sergeant York]], the Marder II belongs to the realm of alternate history.

			The Marder 2 was an experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the aging Marder IFV. Aside from the name it has little in common with [[Marder Zug\|it's predecessor]] with almost no interchangeable components. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Three-man crews gave it a driver, gunner, and commander. Space was provided for 7 (some sources say 6) troops who could exit via rear-facing doors or overhead hatches; unlike its predecessor firing ports were not included. Significantly larger and more heavily armored than most IFVs it weighed in at 43 metric tons (more than a T-72!) and for that reason was occasionally termed a heavy IFV.

			Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted for service both due to its high unit cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Dabbo]]		[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Dabbo]]

			The Marder 2 was an experimental German IFV, developed in the late 1980s to replace the aging Marder IFV. The initial goal was to produce 1000 of these new IFVs between 1997 and 2001. The first prototype was finished by 1991 and shown to the Bundeswehr on September 17 of the same year. It featured thicker armor than its predecessor, a new turret and a brand-new Rheinmetall dual-caliber autocannon that could fire both 35mm and 50mm rounds. Despite its excellent qualities, the vehicle was never accepted in service due to its high cost and because it was no longer needed because of the fall of the Soviet Union. A single surviving prototype can be found today in the Koblenz military collection.

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}

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	[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px]]		[[File:MarderIIIRL.jpg\|right\|thumb\|300px\|Dabbo]]

	{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}		{{West German Forces in Team Yankee}}