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	*'''[[Solar Rebellion]]''' - The Chapter is listed among the Imperial Forces tasked with bulldozing the many [[Chaos Cults]] sparked by the [[World Eaters]], [[Iron Warriors]], and [[Night Lords]] within the western Segmentum Solar. The interesting part is, [[Time of Rebirth\|this was in M32...]] the [[Cursed Founding]] was in M36...		*'''[[Solar Rebellion]]''' - The Chapter is listed among the Imperial Forces tasked with bulldozing the many [[Chaos Cults]] sparked by the [[World Eaters]], [[Iron Warriors]], and [[Night Lords]] within the western Segmentum Solar. The interesting part is, [[Time of Rebirth\|this was in M32...]] the [[Cursed Founding]] was in M36...
	*'''[[Macharian Heresy]]''' - The Chapter is called to deal with the petty star empires created by the former generals of [[Lord Solar Macharius]]. They crush one after the other, following all of the High Lord's orders without question, and causing a lot of collateral damage in the process.		*'''[[Macharian Heresy]]''' - The Chapter is called to deal with the petty star empires created by the former generals of [[Lord Solar Macharius]]. They crush one after the other, following all of the High Lord's orders without question, and causing a lot of collateral damage in the process.
	*'''Euxine Incident''' - ''The'' action that earned the Chapter their reputation. Still during the [[Macharian Heresy]], the [[Inceptors]] Chapter got involved in a fight with the Doom Warriors. They were supposedly drinking buddies before-hand but their friendship was broken over [[Lawful Stupid\|matters of "honor"]]. The Imperium, not wanting more ''[[bullshit]]'', sent in the Minotaurs to beat some sense into them. The Chapter, in it's [[rape\|usual style]], hit both feuding Chapters at once. The Doom Warriors, seeing the writing on the wall after this initial strike, wisely left the Euxine system. The Inceptors did not leave. Instead they dug in and fought the Minotaurs like men. They lost, and the 100 surviving Inceptors were forced to surrender at barrel point. After they surrendered, [[That Guy\|the Minotaurs robbed their relics, jacked their Battle-Barge, and left.]] The [[Ultramarines]], seeing at how one of their own [[second founding]] successors got treated like shit, declared that the Minotaurs were permabanned from [[Ultramar]]. Nothing like punishing a loyalist Chapter for beating up civil war mongering renegades to prove your own loyalty.		*'''Euxine Incident''' - ''The'' action that earned the Chapter their reputation. Still during the [[Macharian Heresy]], the [[Inceptors]] Chapter got involved in a fight with the [[Doom Warriors]]. They were supposedly drinking buddies before-hand but their friendship was broken over [[Lawful Stupid\|matters of "honor"]]. The Imperium, not wanting more ''[[bullshit]]'', sent in the Minotaurs to beat some sense into them. The Chapter, in it's [[rape\|usual style]], hit both feuding Chapters at once. The Doom Warriors, seeing the writing on the wall after this initial strike, wisely left the Euxine system. The Inceptors did not leave. Instead they dug in and fought the Minotaurs like men. They lost, and the 100 surviving Inceptors were forced to surrender at barrel point. After they surrendered, [[That Guy\|the Minotaurs robbed their relics, jacked their Battle-Barge, and left.]] The [[Ultramarines]], seeing at how one of their own [[second founding]] successors got treated like shit, declared that the Minotaurs were permabanned from [[Ultramar]]. Nothing like punishing a loyalist Chapter for beating up civil war mongering renegades to prove your own loyalty.
	*'''Defense of Hermetica''' - The heavily-fortified capital of a sector located in the [[Segmentum]] Solar finds itself overwhelmed when the [[Word Bearers]] suddenly dropped from a warp rift in a motherfucking [[Space Hulk]] filled to the brim with [[Mutant]]s. The Minotaurs are the first imperial force to respond: they track the [[Dark Apostle]] into the main cathedral, and decide to blast their way in with orbital bombardment and tanks regardless of civilian casualties. [[Asterion Moloc]] and his [[Terminator]]s slaughter their way into the catacombs, but the Dark Apostle escapes before he can be dealt the killing blow.		*'''Defense of Hermetica''' - The heavily-fortified capital of a sector located in the [[Segmentum]] Solar finds itself overwhelmed when the [[Word Bearers]] suddenly dropped from a warp rift in a motherfucking [[Space Hulk]] filled to the brim with [[Mutant]]s. The Minotaurs are the first imperial force to respond: they track the [[Dark Apostle]] into the main cathedral, and decide to blast their way in with orbital bombardment and tanks regardless of civilian casualties. [[Asterion Moloc]] and his [[Terminator]]s slaughter their way into the catacombs, but the Dark Apostle escapes before he can be dealt the killing blow.
	*'''[[Badab War]]''' - You know this one: [[Lugft Huron]] declares independence from the [[High Lords of Terra]], and a fuckton of chapters are sent his way to remind him why that is not a thing. The Minotaurs gained several important victories during this time, but would be more infamously remembered for the shit they did to the poor [[Lamenters]]. (The same thing they did to the [[Inceptors]]) Suffice to say, if anyone had any doubts on their behavior before, those doubts were quickly dispelled after that.		*'''[[Badab War]]''' - You know this one: [[Lugft Huron]] declares independence from the [[High Lords of Terra]], and a fuckton of chapters are sent his way to remind him why that is not a thing. The Minotaurs gained several important victories during this time, but would be more infamously remembered for the shit they did to the poor [[Lamenters]]. (The same thing they did to the [[Inceptors]]) Suffice to say, if anyone had any doubts on their behavior before, those doubts were quickly dispelled after that.

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	==Out with the old...==		==Out with the old...==
	The '''Minotaurs''' (also known as the Moomarines) are a [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marine]]s and massive dicks. They were formed in the [[21st Founding\|Cursed Founding]] as psychopathic berzerkers and were possibly successors to more stab-happy legions, like the [[Blood Angels]] (looking at you [[Flesh Tearers \| Sanguine Berzerkers]]) or [[World Eaters]]. They first appeared in [[White Dwarf]] as one of the playable Chapters for the Chapter Approved Cursed founding article where they were also mentioned to have beaten the shit out of the [[Lamenters]] during the [[Badab War]], because the Lamenters chose the wrong side and the Minotaurs wanted an excuse to [[RIP AND TEAR]]. Then they disappeared. (to everyone's relief). Their color scheme was also fucking atrocious.		The '''Minotaurs''' (also known as the Moomarines) are a [[Chapter]] of [[Space Marine]]s and massive dicks. They were formed in the [[21st Founding\|Cursed Founding]] as psychopathic berzerkers and were possibly successors to more stab-happy legions, like the [[Blood Angels]] (looking at you [[Flesh Tearers \| Sanguine Berzerkers]]) or [[World Eaters]]. They first appeared in [[White Dwarf]] as one of the playable Chapters for the Chapter Approved Cursed founding article where they were also mentioned to have beaten the shit out of the [[Lamenters]] during the [[Badab War]], because the Lamenters chose the wrong side and the Minotaurs wanted an excuse to [[RIP AND TEAR]]. Then they disappeared. (to everyone's relief). Their color scheme was also fucking atrocious.

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	If the bronzy Minotaurs are [[Iron Warriors]] successors, it would go a long way in explaining why the [[High Lords]] keep their records well and far away from the [[Ordo Hereticus]].		If the bronzy Minotaurs are [[Iron Warriors]] successors, it would go a long way in explaining why the [[High Lords]] keep their records well and far away from the [[Ordo Hereticus]].

	According to Eadwin Brown, one of the developers of the Badab War: The current incarnation of the Minotaurs was formed by a garrison of [[Iron Warriors]] who were allowed to rejoin the Imperium (but put on a short leash by the High Lords) back during the [[Great Scouring]]. The reason for their lack of/confusing history (including a different chapter getting the same name) being a mix of deliberate actions of the [[High Lords]] not wanting to lose their personal pet Astartes and the difficulty of the Administratum's already shitty record keeping. Or maybe the Cursed Founding chimera Minotaurs were explicitly set up to fail in a deniable fashion that allowed the High Lords to get the Iron Warrior Minotaurs quietly formalized. If this is true, this raises all sorts of questions as to whether the Cursed Founding was deliberate to cover this up. It also means that there are probably many other Chapters like the Minotaurs from traitor legions. The Chapters that seem free of High Lord control but blatantly from traitor legions likely descend from those badass loyalists among the traitor legions. The Chapters held on a short leash by the High Lords are probably descended from traitor legion stock whose founders were of questionable loyalty, such as a surrendering garrison. Evidence of this might even be the excellent equipment they posses. After all, wouldn’t it be exactly like those dumb fucks to heavily equip possible traitors instead of loyal Chapters just so they can pretend to actually control them?		According to Eadwin Brown, one of the developers of the Badab War: The current incarnation of the Minotaurs was formed by a garrison of [[Iron Warriors]] who were allowed to rejoin the Imperium (but put on a short leash by the High Lords) back during the [[Great Scouring]]. The reason for their lack of/confusing history (including a different chapter getting the same name) being a mix of deliberate actions of the [[High Lords]] not wanting to lose their personal pet Astartes and the difficulty of the Administratum's already shitty record keeping. Or maybe the Cursed Founding chimera Minotaurs were explicitly set up to fail in a deniable fashion that allowed the High Lords to get the Iron Warrior Minotaurs quietly formalized. If this is true, this raises all sorts of questions as to whether the Cursed Founding was deliberate to cover this up. It also means that there are probably many other Chapters like the Minotaurs from traitor legions. The Chapters that seem free of High Lord control but blatantly from traitor legions likely descend from those badass loyalists among the traitor legions. The Chapters held on a short leash by the High Lords are probably descended from traitor legion stock whose founders were of questionable loyalty, such as a surrendering garrison. Evidence of this might even be the excellent equipment they posses. After all, wouldn’t it be exactly like those dumb fucks to heavily equip possible traitors instead of loyal Chapters just so they can pretend to actually control them?

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	To the High Lord’s credit, the Minotaurs seem to not be an abuse of power. The Chapters they beat up are let go if they flee or surrender early instead of digging in. Those that keep fighting are curbstomped, but not exterminated. And when they beat on Marines, it’s hard to argue that the receivers of said beating didn’t deserve it (save in [[Lamenters\|very specific instances]] and even then, the blame for THAT falls squarely on the High Lords paranoia and [[Lugft Huron]] being an arrogant dickass).		To the High Lord’s credit, the Minotaurs seem to not be an abuse of power. The Chapters they beat up are let go if they flee or surrender early instead of digging in. Those that keep fighting are curbstomped, but not exterminated. And when they beat on Marines, it’s hard to argue that the receivers of said beating didn’t deserve it (save in [[Lamenters\|very specific instances]] and even then, the blame for THAT falls squarely on the High Lords paranoia and [[Lugft Huron]] being an arrogant dickass).

	Unlike most Chapters, the Minotaurs appear to be able to replenish their numbers at an accelerated rate, to the point that they could recover from losses in a fraction of the time it would take other Chapters a century or two to fully recover from. This allows them to quickly rebuild their force to full Chapter strength, even after suffering what would normally be unsustainable causalities. Imperial observers during the Antigonis campaign theorized that this may have something to do with the heavy use of hypnotherapy and neuro-cerebral therapy used in the training of neophytes and frequently "refreshed" with the help of Apothecaries in the Chapter. This has proven to have some unpleasant side-effects- the Minotaurs are highly xenophobic and paranoid, even by the high standards of the Imperium. These are bonus perks in a galaxy in which not being sufficiently xenophobic and paranoid gets you or your soul eaten.		Unlike most Chapters, the Minotaurs appear to be able to replenish their numbers at an accelerated rate, to the point that they could recover from losses in a fraction of the time it would take other Chapters a century or two to fully recover from. This allows them to quickly rebuild their force to full Chapter strength, even after suffering what would normally be unsustainable causalities. Imperial observers during the Antigonis campaign theorized that this may have something to do with the heavy use of hypnotherapy and neuro-cerebral therapy used in the training of neophytes and frequently "refreshed" with the help of Apothecaries in the Chapter. This has proven to have some unpleasant side-effects- the Minotaurs are highly xenophobic and paranoid, even by the high standards of the Imperium. These are bonus perks in a galaxy in which not being sufficiently xenophobic and paranoid gets you or your soul eaten.

	There's also a good chance that they recruit from [[Terra]] itself thanks to their connections with the High Lords, giving them a massive recruit pool, as the Imperial Fists are also able to replenish losses equally fast thanks to having billions of potential candidates. This is mostly due to the Imperial Fists building recruitment posts on every world they rescue from invasion. Even then they request permission first as Dorn said he "...want recruits, not vassals". The Black Templars also do this and benefit greatly from this method. And since the Minotaurs gene-seed tithes are locked away nice and tight, no one is sure who their progenitors are. Additionally, Perturabo's most outstanding talent was that he got most of his guys killed all the time but always had more than enough Astartes on hand for the next campaign. As in, the Iron Warriors canonically lost far more Astartes than even the Dark Angels, and we know they lost at least 50,000 guys during the Rangdan Xenocides and god only knows how many others during the Crusade. So if these guys are Iron Warriors who abandoned their Legion during the Heresy, there's a good chance some of Pert's logistical skill and methods are still floating around the Minotaur's command structure.		There's also a good chance that they recruit from [[Terra]] itself thanks to their connections with the High Lords, giving them a massive recruit pool, as the Imperial Fists are also able to replenish losses equally fast thanks to having billions of potential candidates. This is mostly due to the Imperial Fists building recruitment posts on every world they rescue from invasion. Even then they request permission first as Dorn said he "...want recruits, not vassals". The Black Templars also do this and benefit greatly from this method. And since the Minotaurs gene-seed tithes are locked away nice and tight, no one is sure who their progenitors are. Additionally, Perturabo's most outstanding talent was that he got most of his guys killed all the time but always had more than enough Astartes on hand for the next campaign. As in, the Iron Warriors canonically lost far more Astartes than even the Dark Angels, and we know they lost at least 50,000 guys during the Rangdan Xenocides and god only knows how many others during the Crusade. So if these guys are Iron Warriors who abandoned their Legion during the Heresy, there's a good chance some of Pert's logistical skill and methods are still floating around the Minotaur's command structure.

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	''If you are looking for the bull-headed beastmen from Greek mythology, see [[Minotaur]].''		''If you are looking for the bull-headed beastmen from Greek mythology, see [[Minotaur]].''


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	==Chapter History and Geneseed Confusion==		==Chapter History and Geneseed Confusion==
			{{Topquote\|The minotaur more than justifies the existence of the labyrinth.\|Jorge Luis Borges}}
	There is a significant amount of [[DERP]] surrounding who their daddy is, how long they've been around, or if these are even all the same group of dicks. Like the [[Fire Angels]], the Minotaurs are an example of two chapters sharing the same name, even the sourcebooks point out that the [[Cursed Founding]] Minotaurs and the bronzy Minotaurs are so different that it's a possibility there are multiple chapters who have the same name. There isn't much of a question around only "a" Minotaurs chapter being made during the [[Cursed Founding]] in M36, the same books leaves it ambiguous by alluding to there having been different Minotaurs chapters (essentially keeping the ketchup-mustard-psycho Minotaurs canon alongside the "new" Minotaurs). Pulling things like having records of the "Minotaurs" being around as far back as back in M32 (tag teaming a bunch of Chaos-spark rebellions with some other Chapters, and noticeably not just wiping their asses with the battle plans before bolting hell-for-leather into melee range), even tho psycho "Minotaurs" chapter is listed as M36 [[Cursed Founding]]; pointing out that "chimeric" geneseed Astartes (especially from the [[Cursed Founding]]) tend to be mentally/physically unstable, but the "new" Minotaurs are about as stable as you can get (the "old" Minotaurs tho....yeah); and highlighting the difference in behavior, look, and combat doctrines of the bronze colored Minotaurs compared to records of the yellow/red Minotaurs.		There is a significant amount of [[DERP]] surrounding who their daddy is, how long they've been around, or if these are even all the same group of dicks. Like the [[Fire Angels]], the Minotaurs are an example of two chapters sharing the same name, even the sourcebooks point out that the [[Cursed Founding]] Minotaurs and the bronzy Minotaurs are so different that it's a possibility there are multiple chapters who have the same name. There isn't much of a question around only "a" Minotaurs chapter being made during the [[Cursed Founding]] in M36, the same books leaves it ambiguous by alluding to there having been different Minotaurs chapters (essentially keeping the ketchup-mustard-psycho Minotaurs canon alongside the "new" Minotaurs). Pulling things like having records of the "Minotaurs" being around as far back as back in M32 (tag teaming a bunch of Chaos-spark rebellions with some other Chapters, and noticeably not just wiping their asses with the battle plans before bolting hell-for-leather into melee range), even tho psycho "Minotaurs" chapter is listed as M36 [[Cursed Founding]]; pointing out that "chimeric" geneseed Astartes (especially from the [[Cursed Founding]]) tend to be mentally/physically unstable, but the "new" Minotaurs are about as stable as you can get (the "old" Minotaurs tho....yeah); and highlighting the difference in behavior, look, and combat doctrines of the bronze colored Minotaurs compared to records of the yellow/red Minotaurs.

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	Unlike most Chapters, the Minotaurs appear to be able to replenish their numbers at an accelerated rate, to the point that they could recover from losses in a fraction of the time it would take other Chapters a century or two to fully recover from. This allows them to quickly rebuild their force to full Chapter strength, even after suffering what would normally be unsustainable causalities. Imperial observers during the Antigonis campaign theorized that this may have something to do with the heavy use of hypnotherapy and neuro-cerebral therapy used in the training of neophytes and frequently "refreshed" with the help of Apothecaries in the Chapter. This has proven to have some unpleasant side-effects- the Minotaurs are highly xenophobic and paranoid, even by the high standards of the Imperium. These are bonus perks in a galaxy in which not being sufficiently xenophobic and paranoid gets you or your soul eaten.		Unlike most Chapters, the Minotaurs appear to be able to replenish their numbers at an accelerated rate, to the point that they could recover from losses in a fraction of the time it would take other Chapters a century or two to fully recover from. This allows them to quickly rebuild their force to full Chapter strength, even after suffering what would normally be unsustainable causalities. Imperial observers during the Antigonis campaign theorized that this may have something to do with the heavy use of hypnotherapy and neuro-cerebral therapy used in the training of neophytes and frequently "refreshed" with the help of Apothecaries in the Chapter. This has proven to have some unpleasant side-effects- the Minotaurs are highly xenophobic and paranoid, even by the high standards of the Imperium. These are bonus perks in a galaxy in which not being sufficiently xenophobic and paranoid gets you or your soul eaten.

	There's also a good chance that they recruit from [[Terra]] itself thanks to their connections with the High Lords, giving them a massive recruit pool, as the Imperial Fists are also able to replenish losses equally fast thanks to having billions of potential candidates. This is mostly due to the Imperial Fists building recruitment posts on every world they rescue from invasion. Even then they request permission first as Dorn said he "...want recruits, not vassals". The Black Templars also do this and benefit greatly from this method. And since the Minotaurs gene-seed tithes are locked away nice and tight, no one is sure who their progenitors are.		There's also a good chance that they recruit from [[Terra]] itself thanks to their connections with the High Lords, giving them a massive recruit pool, as the Imperial Fists are also able to replenish losses equally fast thanks to having billions of potential candidates. This is mostly due to the Imperial Fists building recruitment posts on every world they rescue from invasion. Even then they request permission first as Dorn said he "...want recruits, not vassals". The Black Templars also do this and benefit greatly from this method. And since the Minotaurs gene-seed tithes are locked away nice and tight, no one is sure who their progenitors are. Additionally, Perturabo's most outstanding talent was that he got most of his guys killed all the time but always had more than enough Astartes on hand for the next campaign. As in, the Iron Warriors canonically lost far more Astartes than even the Dark Angels, and we know they lost at least 50,000 guys during the Rangdan Xenocides and god only knows how many others during the Crusade. So if these guys are Iron Warriors who abandoned their Legion during the Heresy, there's a good chance some of Pert's logistical skill and methods are still floating around the Minotaur's command structure.

	Aside from the hideous old ketchup-and-mustard motherfuckers and the Greek muggers, there are also a pair of Chapters called the [[Brazen Minotaurs]] (looks like the Minotaurs wearing the [[Taurans]]' chapter badge) and [[White Minotaurs]] (looks like the Minotaurs but with a white Tauran bullhead badge). There isn't much fluff on them, being two of those Chapters with a name and a color design and nothing else.		Aside from the hideous old ketchup-and-mustard motherfuckers and the Greek muggers, there are also a pair of Chapters called the [[Brazen Minotaurs]] (looks like the Minotaurs wearing the [[Taurans]]' chapter badge) and [[White Minotaurs]] (looks like the Minotaurs but with a white Tauran bullhead badge). There isn't much fluff on them, being two of those Chapters with a name and a color design and nothing else.

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	The Minotaurs later popped up in [[Imperial Armour#Volume Ten - The Badab War - Part Two\|Imperial Armour Volume 10]] and had their lore (and thankfully colour scheme) overhauled. They're still massive dicks though. Now the psycho-Minotaurs apparently disappeared thousands of years before the [[Badab War]], instead its these cunts who stomp stomp the poor Lamenters (and also take their stuff). They now dress like [[Iron Warriors\|ancient Greeks]] and their Chapter Master, one [[Asterion Moloc]], appears to have pilfered the prop department from 300 for his outfit. They no longer maintain the "psychopathic berzerkers' flavour; instead (while still liking melee combat) they make and execute detailed battle plans focusing on siege and attrition warfare, being brooding, paranoid about security protocols, and very pragmatic. Example of that last trait being in [[Imperial Armour Volume 12]] here they let a good chunk of the [[Imperial Navy]] fight and die before they stepped in to give themselves a better chance against the Necrons (what assholes). They are essentially Greek-ier [[Iron Warriors]], who steal shit like the [[Blood Ravens]] (but instead of hijacking your stuff when you aren't looking, they will just mug you and take it). This better explains why they stole the Lamenters' stuff like the school bully shaking down the class nerd for his lunch money, once the old fight between the Lamenters and Minotaurs was retconned to have happened with these Minotaurs instead.		The Minotaurs later popped up in [[Imperial Armour#Volume Ten - The Badab War - Part Two\|Imperial Armour Volume 10]] and had their lore (and thankfully colour scheme) overhauled. They're still massive dicks though. Now the psycho-Minotaurs apparently disappeared thousands of years before the [[Badab War]], instead its these cunts who stomp stomp the poor Lamenters (and also take their stuff). They now dress like [[Iron Warriors\|ancient Greeks]] and their Chapter Master, one [[Asterion Moloc]], appears to have pilfered the prop department from 300 for his outfit. They no longer maintain the "psychopathic berzerkers' flavour; instead (while still liking melee combat) they make and execute detailed battle plans focusing on siege and attrition warfare, being brooding, paranoid about security protocols, and very pragmatic. Example of that last trait being in [[Imperial Armour Volume 12]] here they let a good chunk of the [[Imperial Navy]] fight and die before they stepped in to give themselves a better chance against the Necrons (what assholes). They are essentially Greek-ier [[Iron Warriors]], who steal shit like the [[Blood Ravens]] (but instead of hijacking your stuff when you aren't looking, they will just mug you and take it). This better explains why they stole the Lamenters' stuff like the school bully shaking down the class nerd for his lunch money, once the old fight between the Lamenters and Minotaurs was retconned to have happened with these Minotaurs instead.

	The chapter has vast stores of incredibly rare wargear, which includes: shittons of ~~Mk8~~ [[~~power armor~~]], as well as Arkonak & Tartaros-pattern [[Terminator]]s and several [[Spartan Assault Tank]]s, the most [[Typhon Heavy Siege Tank]]s out of any chapter, loads of [[Dreadnoughts]] (including the rare Contemptor-pattern), [[Storm Eagle#Roc Pattern\|their very own Storm Eagle variant]], and at least one [[AWESOME\|power spear/lascannon combo]] that might have been <s>jacked</s> gifted from the [[Adeptus Custodes]]. When you combine the stuff given to them by their [[High Lords of Terra\|sugar daddies on Terra]] and the cool wargear they have stolen from other Chapters, they have no shortage of the best toys available to the Astartes.		The chapter has vast stores of incredibly rare wargear, which includes: shittons of [[Mark VIII: Errant Armour]], as well as Arkonak & [[Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour\|Tartaros-pattern]] [[Terminator]]s and several [[Spartan Assault Tank]]s, the most [[Typhon Heavy Siege Tank]]s out of any chapter, loads of [[Dreadnoughts]] (including the rare [[Contemptor Dreadnought\|Contemptor-pattern]]), [[Storm Eagle#Roc Pattern\|their very own Storm Eagle variant]], and at least one [[AWESOME\|power spear/lascannon combo]] that might have been <s>jacked</s> gifted from the [[Adeptus Custodes]]. When you combine the stuff given to them by their [[High Lords of Terra\|sugar daddies on Terra]] and the cool wargear they have stolen from other Chapters, they have no shortage of the best toys available to the Astartes.

	They also act as the attack dogs of the [[High Lords of Terra\|High Lords']], often acting under their direct orders and telling anyone in their way to piss off. Oh, and the [[Administratum]] records are sealed (under direct order of the [[High Lords]]), so that not even [[inquisitor\|Inquisitors]] can easily (if at all) access them. Which implies something about them (gee, wonder what?) has at least some Inquisitors worried.		They also act as the attack dogs of the [[High Lords of Terra\|High Lords']], often acting under their direct orders and telling anyone in their way to piss off. Oh, and the [[Administratum]] records are sealed (under direct order of the [[High Lords]]), so that not even [[inquisitor\|Inquisitors]] can easily (if at all) access them. Which implies something about them (gee, wonder what?) has at least some Inquisitors worried.

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	At least, that was the ''official'' reason, and as noted by [[Valerian]] in ''The Regent's Shadow'', no one was fooled by this, especially since the Daedalos Krata was ''right there''. The real reason for their return would be made clear very soon, however.		At least, that was the ''official'' reason, and as noted by [[Valerian]] in ''The Regent's Shadow'', no one was fooled by this, especially since the Daedalos Krata was ''right there''. The real reason for their return would be made clear very soon, however.

	Once on Terra, the Chapter was tasked to work alongside the [[Imperial Fists]], [[Sisters of Silence]], and [[Adeptus Custodes]] in quelling a rebellion growing on Terra itself. During the course of the investigations they had to teach the Imperial Fists what they think of someone trying to steal their glory. i.e. the Imperial Fists tried to investigate a cultist kill-site cleared by the Minotaurs, ~~aka~~ the Imperial Fists were trying to steal the Minotaur's intel and get to the cultists first, and in response the Minotaurs killed the two Imperial Fists sent to investigate (after the Minotaurs warned them, and were promptly ignored by the Imperial Fists). An Imperial Fist got salty at this and tried to blow up at a Minotaur back at HQ. Said Imperial Fist got the shit beaten out of him by the Minotaur and made a fuckawful mess of the nice lady's house they were fighting in (that's actually not a joke). Their brawl continued until a Custodian interposed himself between the two, warning the Minotaur to calm the fuck down unless he wanted to try his luck with a Talon of the Emperor. The Minotaur, could tell that he was outclassed, so turned off his battle rage like one would flip a switch. Also seeing that the Imperial Fist needed the Custodes to protect him, the Minotaur chuckled at the Imperial Fist's weakness and left (admittedly with a limp, but he left the Imperial Fist far worse off). The grumpy (and badly beaten up) Imperial Fist didn't even bother to thank the Custodian. [[Dick]].		Once on Terra, the Chapter was tasked to work alongside the [[Imperial Fists]], [[Sisters of Silence]], and [[Adeptus Custodes]] in quelling a rebellion growing on Terra itself. During the course of the investigations they had to teach the Imperial Fists what they think of someone trying to steal their glory. i.e. the Imperial Fists tried to investigate a cultist kill-site cleared by the Minotaurs, which is to say, the Imperial Fists were trying to steal the Minotaur's intel and get to the cultists first, and in response the Minotaurs killed the two Imperial Fists sent to investigate (after the Minotaurs warned them, and were promptly ignored by the Imperial Fists). An Imperial Fist got salty at this and tried to blow up at a Minotaur back at HQ. Said Imperial Fist got the shit beaten out of him by the Minotaur and made a fuckawful mess of the nice lady's house they were fighting in (that's actually not a joke). Their brawl continued until a Custodian interposed himself between the two, warning the Minotaur to calm the fuck down unless he wanted to try his luck with a Talon of the Emperor. The Minotaur, could tell that he was outclassed, so turned off his battle rage like one would flip a switch. Also seeing that the Imperial Fist needed the Custodes to protect him, the Minotaur chuckled at the Imperial Fist's weakness and left (admittedly with a limp, but he left the Imperial Fist far worse off). The grumpy (and badly beaten up) Imperial Fist didn't even bother to thank the Custodian. [[Dick]].

	Eventually the HQ of the cultists was discovered, and the Minotaurs were the first ones there. Launching a '''SIEGE''' of the enemy's HQ while the Imperial Fists and Custodes were just then managing to figure out where it was. It turns out the rebellions were caused by the former members of the High Lords who had since been exiled by the now revived Guilliman. At first it seemed that the Minotaurs had sided with the rebellious former High Lords, with Moloc himself standing by the former Master of the Administatium, Haemotalion. However, with the actual leaders of the rebellion sniffed out, assassins from the Vindicare Temple killed them all except for the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum (who wasn't actually a traitor, instead having infiltrated the traitors as part of the plan to find/kill them) and Moloc (who had "conveniently" left the room just before the kill order was given). In very short order, all hell broke loose. With no one being aware of who was on whose side, the Minotaurs came into direct combat with a small contingent of Custodes and Sisters of Silence. They killed a few Sisters of Silence, and even one of the Custodes (poor bastard was mobbed by multiple Minotaurs and got folded like laundry), but they suffered '''far''' greater losses themselves (as if they cared). Eventually though, a lot more Minotaurs showed up and started surrounding the Custodes and the Sisters, who had formed a perimeter around the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum to protect him (as the Minotaurs weren't told he wasn't actually one of the traitors). Moloc himself was about to 1v1 Custodes Shield-Captain Valerian (with Moloc making the Custodes feel as close to afraid as a Custodes could possibly be. Sort of. Bear in mind that in combat, the Custodes size up their adversaries and determine how to most efficiently kill them in milliseconds, effectively killing them before they've even crossed blades. In this case however, Valerian admitted he saw no flaw in Moloc's battle form, armour, or anything to exploit, and thus had 0 idea how to beat him before combat was begun, meaning he'd have to wing it, which Valerian REALLY didn't like.), before the actual, non-deposed Master of the Administratum (Violeta Roskavler, who had been appointed by Guilliman and was actually competent at her job), teleported in and (whispering to Moloc) ordered the Minotaurs to stand down. And they did. Moloc and his boys then just turned and left without pause or complaint. Turns out that this whole mess was actually [[Just As Planned]] by Guilliman, Valoris, and Roskavler. The Minotaurs later departed for Guilliman's [[Indomitus Crusade]] without any form of issues.		Eventually the HQ of the cultists was discovered, and the Minotaurs were the first ones there. Launching a '''SIEGE''' of the enemy's HQ while the Imperial Fists and Custodes were just then managing to figure out where it was. It turns out the rebellions were caused by the former members of the High Lords who had since been exiled by the now revived Guilliman. At first it seemed that the Minotaurs had sided with the rebellious former High Lords, with Moloc himself standing by the former Master of the Administatium, Haemotalion. However, with the actual leaders of the rebellion sniffed out, assassins from the Vindicare Temple killed them all except for the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum (who wasn't actually a traitor, instead having infiltrated the traitors as part of the plan to find/kill them) and Moloc (who had "conveniently" left the room just before the kill order was given). In very short order, all hell broke loose. With no one being aware of who was on whose side, the Minotaurs came into direct combat with a small contingent of Custodes and Sisters of Silence. They killed a few Sisters of Silence, and even one of the Custodes (poor bastard was mobbed by multiple Minotaurs and got folded like laundry), but they suffered '''far''' greater losses themselves (as if they cared). Eventually though, a lot more Minotaurs showed up and started surrounding the Custodes and the Sisters, who had formed a perimeter around the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum to protect him (as the Minotaurs weren't told he wasn't actually one of the traitors). Moloc himself was about to 1v1 Custodes Shield-Captain Valerian (with Moloc making the Custodes feel as close to afraid as a Custodes could possibly be. Sort of. Bear in mind that in combat, the Custodes size up their adversaries and determine how to most efficiently kill them in milliseconds, effectively killing them before they've even crossed blades. In this case however, Valerian admitted he saw no flaw in Moloc's battle form, armour, or anything to exploit, and thus had 0 idea how to beat him before combat was begun, meaning he'd have to wing it, which Valerian REALLY didn't like.), before the actual, non-deposed Master of the Administratum (Violeta Roskavler, who had been appointed by Guilliman and was actually competent at her job), teleported in and (whispering to Moloc) ordered the Minotaurs to stand down. And they did. Moloc and his boys then just turned and left without pause or complaint. Turns out that this whole mess was actually [[Just As Planned]] by Guilliman, Valoris, and Roskavler. The Minotaurs later departed for Guilliman's [[Indomitus Crusade]] without any form of issues.

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Current Events: Respectfully, this addendum breaks the flow of the article. Furthermore, what is said is subjective, bordering on specious, and riddled with grammatical errors.

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	Eventually the HQ of the cultists was discovered, and the Minotaurs were the first ones there. Launching a '''SIEGE''' of the enemy's HQ while the Imperial Fists and Custodes were just then managing to figure out where it was. It turns out the rebellions were caused by the former members of the High Lords who had since been exiled by the now revived Guilliman. At first it seemed that the Minotaurs had sided with the rebellious former High Lords, with Moloc himself standing by the former Master of the Administatium, Haemotalion. However, with the actual leaders of the rebellion sniffed out, assassins from the Vindicare Temple killed them all except for the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum (who wasn't actually a traitor, instead having infiltrated the traitors as part of the plan to find/kill them) and Moloc (who had "conveniently" left the room just before the kill order was given). In very short order, all hell broke loose. With no one being aware of who was on whose side, the Minotaurs came into direct combat with a small contingent of Custodes and Sisters of Silence. They killed a few Sisters of Silence, and even one of the Custodes (poor bastard was mobbed by multiple Minotaurs and got folded like laundry), but they suffered '''far''' greater losses themselves (as if they cared). Eventually though, a lot more Minotaurs showed up and started surrounding the Custodes and the Sisters, who had formed a perimeter around the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum to protect him (as the Minotaurs weren't told he wasn't actually one of the traitors). Moloc himself was about to 1v1 Custodes Shield-Captain Valerian (with Moloc making the Custodes feel as close to afraid as a Custodes could possibly be. Sort of. Bear in mind that in combat, the Custodes size up their adversaries and determine how to most efficiently kill them in milliseconds, effectively killing them before they've even crossed blades. In this case however, Valerian admitted he saw no flaw in Moloc's battle form, armour, or anything to exploit, and thus had 0 idea how to beat him before combat was begun, meaning he'd have to wing it, which Valerian REALLY didn't like.), before the actual, non-deposed Master of the Administratum (Violeta Roskavler, who had been appointed by Guilliman and was actually competent at her job), teleported in and (whispering to Moloc) ordered the Minotaurs to stand down. And they did. Moloc and his boys then just turned and left without pause or complaint. Turns out that this whole mess was actually [[Just As Planned]] by Guilliman, Valoris, and Roskavler. The Minotaurs later departed for Guilliman's [[Indomitus Crusade]] without any form of issues.		Eventually the HQ of the cultists was discovered, and the Minotaurs were the first ones there. Launching a '''SIEGE''' of the enemy's HQ while the Imperial Fists and Custodes were just then managing to figure out where it was. It turns out the rebellions were caused by the former members of the High Lords who had since been exiled by the now revived Guilliman. At first it seemed that the Minotaurs had sided with the rebellious former High Lords, with Moloc himself standing by the former Master of the Administatium, Haemotalion. However, with the actual leaders of the rebellion sniffed out, assassins from the Vindicare Temple killed them all except for the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum (who wasn't actually a traitor, instead having infiltrated the traitors as part of the plan to find/kill them) and Moloc (who had "conveniently" left the room just before the kill order was given). In very short order, all hell broke loose. With no one being aware of who was on whose side, the Minotaurs came into direct combat with a small contingent of Custodes and Sisters of Silence. They killed a few Sisters of Silence, and even one of the Custodes (poor bastard was mobbed by multiple Minotaurs and got folded like laundry), but they suffered '''far''' greater losses themselves (as if they cared). Eventually though, a lot more Minotaurs showed up and started surrounding the Custodes and the Sisters, who had formed a perimeter around the Grandmaster of the Assassinorum to protect him (as the Minotaurs weren't told he wasn't actually one of the traitors). Moloc himself was about to 1v1 Custodes Shield-Captain Valerian (with Moloc making the Custodes feel as close to afraid as a Custodes could possibly be. Sort of. Bear in mind that in combat, the Custodes size up their adversaries and determine how to most efficiently kill them in milliseconds, effectively killing them before they've even crossed blades. In this case however, Valerian admitted he saw no flaw in Moloc's battle form, armour, or anything to exploit, and thus had 0 idea how to beat him before combat was begun, meaning he'd have to wing it, which Valerian REALLY didn't like.), before the actual, non-deposed Master of the Administratum (Violeta Roskavler, who had been appointed by Guilliman and was actually competent at her job), teleported in and (whispering to Moloc) ordered the Minotaurs to stand down. And they did. Moloc and his boys then just turned and left without pause or complaint. Turns out that this whole mess was actually [[Just As Planned]] by Guilliman, Valoris, and Roskavler. The Minotaurs later departed for Guilliman's [[Indomitus Crusade]] without any form of issues.

	Edit: the OP has not clearly understood the book (Watchers of the throne, the regent shadow), initially the Minotaur were allied to a traitor, they were not “just as planned” they were just as stupid, full stop.
	~~After then the custodes kills some of them and the New master of the aministrarium tells the to stop, only AFTER the deposed master of the administrarium got killed, not before.~~
	~~Clearly they are the lap-dog of the Administrarium~~

	During the Indomitus Crusade, the Minotaurs put on their good ass-stomping boots to deal with some Thousand Sons who had taken over a space station.		During the Indomitus Crusade, the Minotaurs put on their good ass-stomping boots to deal with some Thousand Sons who had taken over a space station.

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	The Minotaurs later popped up in [[Imperial Armour#Volume Ten - The Badab War - Part Two\|Imperial Armour Volume 10]] and had their lore (and thankfully colour scheme) overhauled. They're still massive dicks though. Now the psycho-Minotaurs apparently disappeared thousands of years before the [[Badab War]], instead its these cunts who stomp stomp the poor Lamenters (and also take their stuff). They now dress like [[Iron Warriors\|ancient Greeks]] and their Chapter Master, one [[Asterion Moloc]], appears to have pilfered the prop department from 300 for his outfit. They no longer maintain the "psychopathic berzerkers' flavour; instead (while still liking melee combat) they make and execute detailed battle plans focusing on siege and attrition warfare, being brooding, paranoid about security protocols, and very pragmatic. Example of that last trait being in [[Imperial Armour Volume 12]] here they let a good chunk of the [[Imperial Navy]] fight and die before they stepped in to give themselves a better chance against the Necrons (what assholes). They are essentially Greek-ier [[Iron Warriors]], who steal shit like the [[Blood Ravens]] (but instead of hijacking your stuff when you aren't looking, they will just mug you and take it). This better explains why they stole the Lamenters' stuff like the school bully shaking down the class nerd for his lunch money, once the old fight between the Lamenters and Minotaurs was retconned to have happened with these Minotaurs instead.		The Minotaurs later popped up in [[Imperial Armour#Volume Ten - The Badab War - Part Two\|Imperial Armour Volume 10]] and had their lore (and thankfully colour scheme) overhauled. They're still massive dicks though. Now the psycho-Minotaurs apparently disappeared thousands of years before the [[Badab War]], instead its these cunts who stomp stomp the poor Lamenters (and also take their stuff). They now dress like [[Iron Warriors\|ancient Greeks]] and their Chapter Master, one [[Asterion Moloc]], appears to have pilfered the prop department from 300 for his outfit. They no longer maintain the "psychopathic berzerkers' flavour; instead (while still liking melee combat) they make and execute detailed battle plans focusing on siege and attrition warfare, being brooding, paranoid about security protocols, and very pragmatic. Example of that last trait being in [[Imperial Armour Volume 12]] here they let a good chunk of the [[Imperial Navy]] fight and die before they stepped in to give themselves a better chance against the Necrons (what assholes). They are essentially Greek-ier [[Iron Warriors]], who steal shit like the [[Blood Ravens]] (but instead of hijacking your stuff when you aren't looking, they will just mug you and take it). This better explains why they stole the Lamenters' stuff like the school bully shaking down the class nerd for his lunch money, once the old fight between the Lamenters and Minotaurs was retconned to have happened with these Minotaurs instead.

	The chapter has vast stores of incredibly rare wargear, which includes: shittons of ~~Mk8~~ [[~~power armor~~]], as well as Arkonak & Tartaros-pattern [[Terminator]]s and several [[Spartan Assault Tank]]s, the most [[Typhon Heavy Siege Tank]]s out of any chapter, loads of [[Dreadnoughts]] (including the rare Contemptor-pattern), [[Storm Eagle#Roc Pattern\|their very own Storm Eagle variant]], and at least one [[AWESOME\|power spear/lascannon combo]] that might have been <s>jacked</s> gifted from the [[Adeptus Custodes]]. When you combine the stuff given to them by their [[High Lords of Terra\|sugar daddies on Terra]] and the cool wargear they have stolen from other Chapters, they have no shortage of the best toys available to the Astartes.		The chapter has vast stores of incredibly rare wargear, which includes: shittons of [[Mark VIII: Errant Armour]], as well as Arkonak & [[Tartaros Pattern Terminator Armour\|Tartaros-pattern]] [[Terminator]]s and several [[Spartan Assault Tank]]s, the most [[Typhon Heavy Siege Tank]]s out of any chapter, loads of [[Dreadnoughts]] (including the rare [[Contemptor Dreadnought\|Contemptor-pattern]]), [[Storm Eagle#Roc Pattern\|their very own Storm Eagle variant]], and at least one [[AWESOME\|power spear/lascannon combo]] that might have been <s>jacked</s> gifted from the [[Adeptus Custodes]]. When you combine the stuff given to them by their [[High Lords of Terra\|sugar daddies on Terra]] and the cool wargear they have stolen from other Chapters, they have no shortage of the best toys available to the Astartes.

	They also act as the attack dogs of the [[High Lords of Terra\|High Lords']], often acting under their direct orders and telling anyone in their way to piss off. Oh, and the [[Administratum]] records are sealed (under direct order of the [[High Lords]]), so that not even [[inquisitor\|Inquisitors]] can easily (if at all) access them. Which implies something about them (gee, wonder what?) has at least some Inquisitors worried.		They also act as the attack dogs of the [[High Lords of Terra\|High Lords']], often acting under their direct orders and telling anyone in their way to piss off. Oh, and the [[Administratum]] records are sealed (under direct order of the [[High Lords]]), so that not even [[inquisitor\|Inquisitors]] can easily (if at all) access them. Which implies something about them (gee, wonder what?) has at least some Inquisitors worried.