Monarchy - Revision history

http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Monarchy Monarchy - Revision history 2026-04-28T16:55:04Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.43.0 http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342039&oldid=prev imported>Administrator: 244 revisions imported 2023-06-22T13:03:02Z

<p>244 revisions imported</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 13:03, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="4" class="diff-notice" lang="en"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr>  </table>

imported>Administrator http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342038&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Piroko: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T12:06:01Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 12:06, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l92">Line 92:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 92:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: extended family, treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, more spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: extended family, treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, more spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''(although Ben Franklin managed to pull off the "smelly pleb in court" routine)''</ins>.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Pomp and Ceremony''': Monarchy ''loves'' to make a big freaking show of things and become so ingrained they become ritual. While they are not above sharing a few local props with their fellows monarchs in the general region, individual Monarchies also like to do things their own way so you don't confuse the King of Prance with the Kaiser of Bermany or the Tsar of Fussia.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Pomp and Ceremony''': Monarchy ''loves'' to make a big freaking show of things and become so ingrained they become ritual. While they are not above sharing a few local props with their fellows monarchs in the general region, individual Monarchies also like to do things their own way so you don't confuse the King of Prance with the Kaiser of Bermany or the Tsar of Fussia.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Regalia''': A bunch of objects which have significance as symbols of monarchy, most famously Crowns and Thrones. Along with [[Monty Python|Orbs that may or not be grenades]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Regalia''': A bunch of objects which have significance as symbols of monarchy, most famously Crowns and Thrones. Along with [[Monty Python|Orbs that may or not be grenades]].</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Piroko http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342037&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Piroko: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T12:00:40Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 12:00, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l90">Line 90:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 90:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, more spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">extended family, </ins>treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, more spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td></tr>  </table>

1d4chan>Piroko http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342036&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Piroko: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T11:59:21Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:59, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l90">Line 90:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 90:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch: treasurers, archivists, spies, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, foreign diplomats, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">more </ins>spies (really, a lot of spies), or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Piroko http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342035&oldid=prev 1d4chan>Piroko: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T11:58:51Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:58, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l90">Line 90:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 90:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>treasurers, archivists, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">: </ins>treasurers, archivists<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, spies</ins>, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, foreign diplomats, spies (really, a lot of spies)</ins>, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Privy Council''': The top members of the court, including top generals and Ministers (Revenue, War, Foreign Affairs, etc) with considerable power directly delegated to them.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Court Etiquette''': You know how online groups will develop their own inside jokes and memes, where someone posts a couple pictures of a shark and a sea turtle swimming over a coral reef and twelve months latter the pics and their derivatives are associated with frustrated hopes, the French Revolution, three prominent anime series and soccer moms through evolution that renders it damn near impenetrable to outsiders? Well imagine that rather than a group of internet weirdos you have a group of powerful ennobled wierdos who hang around the most powerful person in the country where slip ups are used as weapons against you with IRL stakes and failure to follow the customs and unwritten rules not only marks you out as a normie, but as a smelly pleb who has no business in said court.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>Piroko http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342034&oldid=prev 1d4chan>A Walrus: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T05:46:32Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:46, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l81">Line 81:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 81:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Line of Succession''': All those individuals who could legally inherit the throne in a hereditary monarchy. The person who's first in line is the '''Heir Apparent''' and after that there are second, third, forth, etc. If the current first in line's right of inheritance could be defeated, such as by the birth of a nearer relative to the monarch, then they are the '''Heir Presumptive''' instead. Having a clear line of succession is important, otherwise, you tend to end up with a lot of fratricidal civil wars for the throne (see the Ottoman Empire and harems). There are several types of succession:</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Line of Succession''': All those individuals who could legally inherit the throne in a hereditary monarchy. The person who's first in line is the '''Heir Apparent''' and after that there are second, third, forth, etc. If the current first in line's right of inheritance could be defeated, such as by the birth of a nearer relative to the monarch, then they are the '''Heir Presumptive''' instead. Having a clear line of succession is important, otherwise, you tend to end up with a lot of fratricidal civil wars for the throne (see the Ottoman Empire and harems). There are several types of succession:</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Primogeniture''': Eldest child will be the next monarch. By far the most widespread type, with its semi-Salic subtype (sons have precedence over daughters, who can only succeed if there are no males left in the dynasty) being an absolute norm in Medieval Europe. Nowadays, however, most European monarchies (excluding Spain, where ironically the King has no ''male'' heir) switched to absolute primogeniture, where the eldest child of any gender can succeed.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Primogeniture''': Eldest child will be the next monarch. By far the most widespread type, with its semi-Salic subtype (sons have precedence over daughters, who can only succeed if there are no males left in the dynasty) being an absolute norm in Medieval Europe. Nowadays, however, most European monarchies (excluding Spain, where ironically the King has no ''male'' heir) switched to absolute primogeniture, where the eldest child of any gender can succeed.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***Most fantasy settings go with primogeniture for succession in their kingdoms, either absolute for the good-guy kingdoms or male for the less savory sexist ones.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Ultimogeniture''': Similar to primogeniture, but the monarchy is passed down to the youngest child instead. Far less common than primogeniture, and was used mostly in Mongolia and some English boroughs. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Ultimogeniture''': Similar to primogeniture, but the monarchy is passed down to the youngest child instead. Far less common than primogeniture, and was used mostly in Mongolia and some English boroughs. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Partible inheritance''': King divides his lands among all his children (once again, mostly male). A much older succession form that was present in the Early Middle Ages, and as any Crusader Kings player can tell you it tends to result in a lot of wars between the successors.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Partible inheritance''': King divides his lands among all his children (once again, mostly male). A much older succession form that was present in the Early Middle Ages, and as any Crusader Kings player can tell you it tends to result in a lot of wars between the successors.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Seniority''': The throne passes to the oldest relative (typically male relatives only in its most common variation) before passing to any of the monarch's children. This typically results in a form of ultimogeniture due to many claimants from earlier generations dying before they can take the throne- or wars of succession should said earlier generations not wish to wait that long. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Seniority''': The throne passes to the oldest relative (typically male relatives only in its most common variation) before passing to any of the monarch's children. This typically results in a form of ultimogeniture due to many claimants from earlier generations dying before they can take the throne- or wars of succession should said earlier generations not wish to wait that long. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Rota''': A very weird Kievan Rus' and early Russian succession type similar to seniority, where the throne passes from the monarch to his eldest brother, and then, no matter if he has children or not, to his older nephew. Was very problematic and basically caused a lot of minor conflicts and wars, which noticeably weakened the country to Mongol invasion. A related form of this was used in Eastern Christian clerical families (Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, etc) where the eldest sons typically became celibate bishops, patriarchs, and pontiffs sworn to monastic vows while the other sons were married priests who raised their sons to take over for their uncles.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Rota''': A very weird Kievan Rus' and early Russian succession type similar to seniority, where the throne passes from the monarch to his eldest brother, and then, no matter if he has children or not, to his older nephew. Was very problematic and basically caused a lot of minor conflicts and wars, which noticeably weakened the country to Mongol invasion. A related form of this was used in Eastern Christian clerical families (Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, etc) where the eldest sons typically became celibate bishops, patriarchs, and pontiffs sworn to monastic vows while the other sons were married priests who raised their sons to take over for their uncles.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***Most fantasy settings go with Primogeniture for succession in their kingdoms, either absolute for the good-guy kingdoms or male for the asshole kingdoms.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Abdication''': Willingly giving up the throne of the monarchy, usually in order for a more able, (usually the child of the monarch) to lead. Subject to various [[Rules Lawyer|legal interpretations]] by nations with a parliament or elected monarchy especially if the abdication wasn't official or no heir was declared.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Abdication''': Willingly giving up the throne of the monarchy, usually in order for a more able, (usually the child of the monarch) to lead. Subject to various [[Rules Lawyer|legal interpretations]] by nations with a parliament or elected monarchy especially if the abdication wasn't official or no heir was declared.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td></tr>  </table>

1d4chan>A Walrus http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342033&oldid=prev 1d4chan>A Walrus: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T05:45:39Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:45, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l85">Line 85:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 85:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Seniority''': The throne passes to the oldest relative (typically male relatives only in its most common variation) before passing to any of the monarch's children. This typically results in a form of ultimogeniture due to many claimants from earlier generations dying before they can take the throne- or wars of succession should said earlier generations not wish to wait that long. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Seniority''': The throne passes to the oldest relative (typically male relatives only in its most common variation) before passing to any of the monarch's children. This typically results in a form of ultimogeniture due to many claimants from earlier generations dying before they can take the throne- or wars of succession should said earlier generations not wish to wait that long. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Rota''': A very weird Kievan Rus' and early Russian succession type similar to seniority, where the throne passes from the monarch to his eldest brother, and then, no matter if he has children or not, to his older nephew. Was very problematic and basically caused a lot of minor conflicts and wars, which noticeably weakened the country to Mongol invasion. A related form of this was used in Eastern Christian clerical families (Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, etc) where the eldest sons typically became celibate bishops, patriarchs, and pontiffs sworn to monastic vows while the other sons were married priests who raised their sons to take over for their uncles.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Rota''': A very weird Kievan Rus' and early Russian succession type similar to seniority, where the throne passes from the monarch to his eldest brother, and then, no matter if he has children or not, to his older nephew. Was very problematic and basically caused a lot of minor conflicts and wars, which noticeably weakened the country to Mongol invasion. A related form of this was used in Eastern Christian clerical families (Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, etc) where the eldest sons typically became celibate bishops, patriarchs, and pontiffs sworn to monastic vows while the other sons were married priests who raised their sons to take over for their uncles.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***Most fantasy settings go with Primogeniture for succession in their kingdoms, either absolute for the good-guy kingdoms or male for the asshole kingdoms.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Abdication''': Willingly giving up the throne of the monarchy, usually in order for a more able, (usually the child of the monarch) to lead. Subject to various [[Rules Lawyer|legal interpretations]] by nations with a parliament or elected monarchy especially if the abdication wasn't official or no heir was declared.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Abdication''': Willingly giving up the throne of the monarchy, usually in order for a more able, (usually the child of the monarch) to lead. Subject to various [[Rules Lawyer|legal interpretations]] by nations with a parliament or elected monarchy especially if the abdication wasn't official or no heir was declared.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***Most fantasy settings go with Primogeniture for succession in their kingdoms, either absolute for the good-guy kingdoms or male for the asshole kingdoms.</del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch, treasurers, archivists, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch, treasurers, archivists, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>A Walrus http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=342032&oldid=prev 1d4chan>A Walrus: /* Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy */ 2023-06-22T05:45:02Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Terminology and stuff associated with monarchy</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 05:45, 22 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l88">Line 88:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 88:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Consort''': The spouse of a Reigning Monarch, be it a '''Queen Consort''' for a wife or typically '''Prince Consort''' for a husband (yes '''King Consort''' makes more sense, the rules were made by a bunch of sexist old guys a long time ago). Consorts don't have much in the line of formal power, but they do have influence.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>**'''Dowager''': A Consort who outlives the Sovereign they are married to.</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">***Most fantasy settings go with Primogeniture for succession in their kingdoms, either absolute for the good-guy kingdoms or male for the asshole kingdoms.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Sovereign''': another name for a monarch, used to specify that the monarch in question is the ruler, specifically when it might not be clear otherwise. For example, most Queens are Queen Consorts; they are queens by marriage to the King but they do not have the authority of the King themselves. However, if the line of succession results in a Queen inheriting the throne, then she is known as the Queen Sovereign, and her husband becomes the consort. Sovereign is also used to mark the monarch in countries where for whatever reason, the monarch is not called "King," such as the Grand Duke of a Grand Duchy, the Grand Prince of a Principality, etc. By contrast, if we're talking about an Empire composed of several vassal kingdoms, then the Emperor is Sovereign as they rule over the lesser Kings.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch, treasurers, archivists, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*'''Court''': The various hangers-on to a monarch, treasurers, archivists, philosophers, artists, representatives of the church/synagogue/mosque, or just people who managed to make a good impression and get in good graces. Members of this group are known as Courtiers.</div></td></tr> </table>

1d4chan>A Walrus http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=341794&oldid=prev imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported 2023-06-19T02:45:03Z

<p>1 revision imported</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:45, 19 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

imported>Administrator http://2d4chan.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Monarchy&diff=341793&oldid=prev 1d4chan>A Walrus: /* Legitimization */ 2023-06-08T04:16:40Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Legitimization</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 04:16, 8 June 2023</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l112">Line 112:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 112:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A Monarch can't rule by force and fear alone. It's costly, wasteful, there's always someone who won't be intimidated, if the threat of violence fails to materialize the fear that cowed the populace can rapidly crystalize into hatred and a monarch still needs people to beat and scare people into line. A monarch can also buy the loyalty of those enforcing minions with money, food, housing, etc to follow their orders. But relying on wealth alone means that unscrupulous underlings will plot to usurp the throne, especially if pay is late. To ensure that their reign continues and their dynasty endures, Monarchs need something to convince people that their reign is the Right and Proper order of things. There are several ways to do so and most countries employ a mix...</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A Monarch can't rule by force and fear alone. It's costly, wasteful, there's always someone who won't be intimidated, if the threat of violence fails to materialize the fear that cowed the populace can rapidly crystalize into hatred and a monarch still needs people to beat and scare people into line. A monarch can also buy the loyalty of those enforcing minions with money, food, housing, etc to follow their orders. But relying on wealth alone means that unscrupulous underlings will plot to usurp the throne, especially if pay is late. To ensure that their reign continues and their dynasty endures, Monarchs need something to convince people that their reign is the Right and Proper order of things. There are several ways to do so and most countries employ a mix...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Beneficence</u>: A Monarch provides wealth to worthy causes such as charity to the poor, assistance when disaster strikes and so forth. Obviously a Monarch who helps those in need out will be seen as a good thing by those down on their luck, especially when compared to a cruel miser. The same goes to those who use their wealth to build and maintain bridges, roads and other such useful things.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Beneficence</u>: A Monarch provides wealth to worthy causes such as charity to the poor, assistance when disaster strikes and so forth. Obviously a Monarch who helps those in need out will be seen as a good thing by those <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">who are or who have been </ins>down on their luck, especially when compared to a cruel miser. The same goes to those who use their wealth to build and maintain bridges, roads and other such useful things.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Justice</u>: A Monarch who is seen to settle disputes fairly, avoid unnecessary cruelty, properly deals with the corrupt and rights wrongs is usually seen as a positive thing. Creating uniform legal codes to replace centuries of outdated and confusing laws is one way for a King to streamline the legal system and make it more fair.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Justice</u>: A Monarch who is seen to settle disputes fairly, avoid unnecessary cruelty, properly deals with the corrupt and rights wrongs is usually seen as a positive thing. Creating uniform legal codes to replace centuries of outdated and confusing laws is one way for a King to streamline the legal system and make it more fair.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Pax</u>: The Monarch's Reign has brought peace, especially compared to the conflicts and turmoil which was the case before the rise of their dynasty. A strong military or foreign policy that stops the threat of banditry and raids will give the peasants much-needed breathing room to help the kingdom's economy prosper, and normally leave them with more money as they don't have to worry about being attacked all the time. In monarchies, peace is often bought through marriage, combining royal bloodlines and creating a personal union of nations; this can work very well when it unites groups that were already pretty similar.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*<u>Pax</u>: The Monarch's Reign has brought peace, especially compared to the conflicts and turmoil which was the case before the rise of their dynasty. A strong military or foreign policy that stops the threat of banditry and raids will give the peasants much-needed breathing room to help the kingdom's economy prosper, and normally leave them with more money as they don't have to worry about being attacked all the time. In monarchies, peace is often bought through marriage, combining royal bloodlines and creating a personal union of nations; this can work very well when it unites groups that were already pretty similar.</div></td></tr> </table>

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