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Second Edition

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	===Second Edition===		===Second Edition===
	Remembering the mistakes of old, the first thing Second Edition does to help the Monk is remove the excessive MAD. Wisdom is less necessary for the class, as it's only required for saves on Ki Powers if you use those and for Will, and has Expert proficiency on Unarmored Defense and on all saving throws - which no other class gets - though their unarmed strikes are only at Trained. Alongside the other classic features (Speed, proficiency improvements, Punch upgrades), you also get the ability to upgrade whichever saves you want, though you can't upgrade all three of them to Master rank.		Remembering the mistakes of old, the first thing Second Edition does to help the Monk is remove the excessive MAD. Wisdom is less necessary for the class, as it's only required for saves on Ki Powers if you use those and for Will (although Wisdom also governs Initiative in this edition, making it more generally worthwhile to everyone), and has Expert proficiency on Unarmored Defense and on all saving throws - which no other class gets - though their unarmed strikes are only at Trained. Alongside the other classic features (Speed, proficiency improvements, Punch upgrades), you also get the ability to upgrade whichever saves you want, though you can't upgrade all three of them to Master rank.

	Class Feats for the Monk find themselves either focusing on stances (each now granting a unique unarmed attack) and Ki powers (Which are essentially identical aside from not being mandatory) alongside the other fare of various monk feats. Particularly troubling is that without taking a certain feat at level 1, they are unable to use any of the fancy monk weapons without issue (and as of the APG, another feat permits access to some bows so you can totally be a Zen Archer letting you do Flurry and Ki Strike with your arrows). Another issue is that if you want to focus on ki powers, you 100% NEED to take one of the first-level feats in order to open access to any later ones, and the option feels a bit one-sided when one of them adds typed damage to your punch while the other...makes you move twice in an action. The reworking of magic items (including NOT making armbands of shielding because there's the option to put magical armor runes on what amounts to clothes) does seriously help mitigate the issues with item space.		Class Feats for the Monk find themselves either focusing on stances (each now granting a unique unarmed attack) and Ki powers (Which are essentially identical aside from not being mandatory) alongside the other fare of various monk feats. Particularly troubling is that without taking a certain feat at level 1, they are unable to use any of the fancy monk weapons without issue (and as of the APG, another feat permits access to some bows so you can totally be a Zen Archer letting you do Flurry and Ki Strike with your arrows). Another issue is that if you want to focus on ki powers, you 100% NEED to take one of the first-level feats in order to open access to any later ones, and the option feels a bit one-sided when one of them adds typed damage to your punch while the other...makes you move twice in an action. The reworking of magic items (including NOT making armbands of shielding because there's the option to put magical armor runes on what amounts to clothes) does seriously help mitigate the issues with item space.

	Curiously, the monk also has technically two multiclass options: The base one, and the Advanced Player's Guide '''Martial Artist''' archetype, which pretty much exclusively permits you to get the better fists (though no counts-as-metal shit) and the mundane stances without wasting time with the other stuff or worrying about level restrictions that apply with multiclassing. Another strange archetype is the '''Bullet Dancer''' from Guns & Gears, which introduces a stance made for firearms. While funny in concept, the archetype provides no additional proficiency in firearms, and this limits you to mostly pistols and old-fashioned rifles.		Curiously, the monk also has technically two multiclass options: The base one, and the Advanced Player's Guide '''Martial Artist''' archetype, which pretty much exclusively permits you to get the better fists (though no counts-as-metal shit) and the mundane stances without wasting time with the other stuff or worrying about level restrictions that apply with multiclassing. Another strange archetype is the '''Bullet Dancer''' from Guns & Gears, which introduces a stance made for firearms. While funny in concept, the archetype provides no additional proficiency in firearms, and this limits you to mostly pistols and old-fashioned rifles.


	== [[Warhammer Fantasy]] ==		== [[Warhammer Fantasy]] ==

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: /* Advanced Dungeons & Dragons */

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Advanced Dungeons & Dragons

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	In AD&D 2nd Edition the Monk is stripped down from a full class to a kit for the Priest. Appearing in ''Player's Option: Spells and Magic'' as well as ''Faiths & Avatars''. They don't get to wear armor; instead they get an AC bonus that increases as they level to a maximum of 2 at level 14 (this was the edition of THAC0, remember). They have major access to the Spheres of All, Divinations, Numbers, Thought and Guardian, and minor access to Combat, Healing, Necromantic and Time. They cannot Turn Undead, but in return they get to save VS Spell against detection, scrying and mind reading, constant access to Free Action and don't grant a bonus to opponents when attacking them with their bare hands. Exactly how damage works depends on if you use the aforementioned Player's Option book, The Complete Fighter's or Priest's Handbook, or just the core books. This does not greatly increase their attack power, so it's best to stick with the regular Priest instead.		In AD&D 2nd Edition the Monk is stripped down from a full class to a kit for the Priest. Appearing in ''Player's Option: Spells and Magic'' as well as ''Faiths & Avatars''. They don't get to wear armor; instead they get an AC bonus that increases as they level to a maximum of 2 at level 14 (this was the edition of THAC0, remember). They have major access to the Spheres of All, Divinations, Numbers, Thought and Guardian, and minor access to Combat, Healing, Necromantic and Time. They cannot Turn Undead, but in return they get to save VS Spell against detection, scrying and mind reading, constant access to Free Action and don't grant a bonus to opponents when attacking them with their bare hands. Exactly how damage works depends on if you use the aforementioned Player's Option book, The Complete Fighter's or Priest's Handbook, or just the core books. This does not greatly increase their attack power, so it's best to stick with the regular Priest instead.

			An alternative to the AD&D monk can be found in [[Al-Qadim]], where the [[Complete Book Series\|Complete Sha'ir's Handbook]] introduced the '''Mystic of Nog'''; a warrior-wizard who sacrifices spellcasting abilities to internalize magic energy, imbuing themselves with superhuman powers that include increased martial abilities with bare hands and weaponry, increased speed, increased leaping abilities, heightened natural armor, rapid healing, and even the monk's Stunning Blow.

	===[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]]===		===[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]]===

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Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition

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	===[[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]]===		===[[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]]===
	[[File:Monk 5e.png\|right\|300px]]		[[File:Monk 5e.png\|right\|300px]]
	The 5e Monk is a different sort of beast altogether, although it definitely borrows from the lessons learned in 4th edition. As in 4e, [[MAD]] is no longer an issue as their Martial Arts class feature means they can substitute Dexterity for Strength when making attack & damage rolls with unarmed strikes and "monk weapons" - it also bumps up their unarmed strike damage from 1 to level-dependent (D4 at first, then D6 at 5th level, D8 at 11th level and D10 at 17th level) and lets them spend their bonus action after making an attack with an unarmed strike or monk weapon to make another such attack. However, unlike 4e, their unarmed strikes don't count as a weapon in their own right, which prevents them from applying buffs like, say, silvering their fists.		The 5e Monk is a different sort of beast altogether, although it definitely borrows from the lessons learned in 4th edition. As in 4e, [[MAD]] is no longer an issue as their Martial Arts class feature means they can substitute Dexterity for Strength when making attack & damage rolls with unarmed strikes and "monk weapons" - it also bumps up their unarmed strike (and their "monk weapons", a line that seems to be frequently missed despite its many potential benefits; like multiclassing into an assassin rogue and mixing it with daggers) damage from 1 to level-dependent (D4 at first, then D6 at 5th level, D8 at 11th level and D10 at 17th level) and lets them spend their bonus action after making an attack with an unarmed strike or monk weapon to make another such attack. However, unlike 4e, their unarmed strikes don't count as a weapon in their own right, which prevents them from applying buffs like, say, silvering their fists.

	Pretty much all of the iconic monk features are back; flurry of blows, deflect missiles, unarmored movement, slow fall, stunning strike, ki-empowered strike (unarmed strikes count as magical), evasion, stillness of mind, purity of body, tongue of the sun and moon (talk all languages), diamond soul, timeless body... However, like all 5th edition classes, monks have to choose a subclass, called a Way, at third level, which determines assorted unique abilities and powers you get.		Pretty much all of the iconic monk features are back; flurry of blows, deflect missiles, unarmored movement, slow fall, stunning strike, ki-empowered strike (unarmed strikes count as magical), evasion, stillness of mind, purity of body, tongue of the sun and moon (talk all languages), diamond soul, timeless body... However, like all 5th edition classes, monks have to choose a subclass, called a Way, at third level, which determines assorted unique abilities and powers you get.

1d4chan>Skadooshbag: /* Real World Monks */

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Real World Monks

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	For much of the [[Dark Age]], Catholic monks were a vital source of labor for the church. They performed routine tasks such as farming and brewing, built and maintained facilities, and those who were literate copied and illuminated manuscripts prior to the invention of the printing press. Although this life was tough, it gave a certain amount of security from outside threats and made sure that you were kept warm and fed... most of the time. Being a monk was also pretty much the only way for a commoner to receive basic education.		For much of the [[Dark Age]], Catholic monks were a vital source of labor for the church. They performed routine tasks such as farming and brewing, built and maintained facilities, and those who were literate copied and illuminated manuscripts prior to the invention of the printing press. Although this life was tough, it gave a certain amount of security from outside threats and made sure that you were kept warm and fed... most of the time. Being a monk was also pretty much the only way for a commoner to receive basic education.

	Speaking of which, entirely contrary to what you may have been told by r/atheism, medieval monks were quite eager to learn as much about God's world as they could, under the logic that this would let them learn more about God. In fact it was the Vatican that founded and funded bigname universities like Oxford and Cambridge, meaning that monks were outright the closest thing they had to scientists back then. Which, thanks to the intentionally practical and un-flashy robes monks wore, is ultimately the reason wizards always wear robes in fantasy.		Speaking of which, entirely contrary to what you may have been told by r/atheism, medieval monks were quite eager to learn as much about God's world as they could, under the logic that this would let them learn more about God. In fact it was the Vatican that founded and funded bigname universities like Oxford and Cambridge, meaning that monks were outright the closest thing they had to scientists back then. Which, thanks to the intentionally practical and un-flashy robes monks wore, is ultimately the reason wizards always wear robes in fantasy (as opposed to ordinary clothes).

	An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that monks and both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens belonged to.		An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that monks and both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens belonged to.

1d4chan>Skadooshbag: /* Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition */

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Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition

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	The Way of Shadow is... Well, let's not beat about the bush here; it's a [[ninja]]. Rather than try and claim that ninjas are somehow different to [[rogue]]/monk [[multiclassing]], 5e just makes it a straight-up style of monk, although you can always go for the Rogue ([[Assassin]]) multiclass if you really want to boost the theme. It mostly absorbs the [[Shadowdancer]] as well, in that its various powers revolve around manipulating darkness; a 5e ninja gets the Minor Illusion cantrip and can cast Darkness, Darkvision, Pass Without Trace and Silence by spending ki points. It can teleport from shadow to shadow via its Shadow Step, become invisible at will by using Cloak of Shadows when in areas of dim or no light, and its Opportunist power lets it get a free attack in on somebody who gets hurt by someone else.		The Way of Shadow is... Well, let's not beat about the bush here; it's a [[ninja]]. Rather than try and claim that ninjas are somehow different to [[rogue]]/monk [[multiclassing]], 5e just makes it a straight-up style of monk, although you can always go for the Rogue ([[Assassin]]) multiclass if you really want to boost the theme. It mostly absorbs the [[Shadowdancer]] as well, in that its various powers revolve around manipulating darkness; a 5e ninja gets the Minor Illusion cantrip and can cast Darkness, Darkvision, Pass Without Trace and Silence by spending ki points. It can teleport from shadow to shadow via its Shadow Step, become invisible at will by using Cloak of Shadows when in areas of dim or no light, and its Opportunist power lets it get a free attack in on somebody who gets hurt by someone else.

	The Way of the Long Death hails from the SCAG, and is essentially a mixture of a monkish assassin (so an alternate ninja) and a [[necromancer]]; Touch of Death lets you get temporary hitpoints when somebody drops dead near you, Hour of Reaping lets you spook fools within 60ft for a turn, Mastery of Death lets you spend a ki point to avoid being killed by an attack, and Touch of the Long Death lets you spend ki points to touch a sap and inflict necrotic damage, in a sort of poor-man's Quivering Palm.		The Way of the Long Death hails from the SCAG, and is essentially a mixture of a monkish assassin (so an alternate ninja) and a [[necromancer]], justified by very poorly-defined fluff; Touch of Death lets you get temporary hitpoints when somebody drops dead near you, Hour of Reaping lets you spook fools within 60ft for a turn, Mastery of Death lets you spend a ki point to avoid being killed by an attack, and Touch of the Long Death lets you spend ki points to touch a sap and inflict necrotic damage, in a sort of poor-man's Quivering Palm.

	The Way of the Sun Soul, also from the SCAG, is sort of a ''Dragonball Z''-type Monk, though grumpy purists will point out it actually predates ''DBZ''. They can make ranged Radiant-inflicting unarmed strikes at will, spend ki to cast Burning Hands, spend ki to throw around what is essentially a Radiant-inflicting Fireball spell, and produce a brilliant aura that burns anybody stupid enough to strike you whilst it's active. Whether this is awesome or just plain stupid is [[skub\|up for heated debate]]. This one was later reprinted in Xanathar's Guide to Everything. However if you fluff it to be the use of [[JoJo's Bizarre Adventure\|Hamon]], then it is [[Awesome\|awesome]].		The Way of the Sun Soul, also from the SCAG, is sort of a ''Dragonball Z''-type Monk, though grumpy purists will point out it actually predates ''DBZ''. They can make ranged Radiant-inflicting unarmed strikes at will, spend ki to cast Burning Hands, spend ki to throw around what is essentially a Radiant-inflicting Fireball spell, and produce a brilliant aura that burns anybody stupid enough to strike you whilst it's active. Whether this is awesome or just plain stupid is [[skub\|up for heated debate]]. This one was later reprinted in Xanathar's Guide to Everything. However if you fluff it to be the use of [[JoJo's Bizarre Adventure\|Hamon]], then it is [[Awesome\|awesome]].

1d4chan>Skadooshbag: /* Real World Monks */ "knights seeking to keep the holy land free of heathens and monks"

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Real World Monks: "knights seeking to keep the holy land free of heathens and monks"

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	Speaking of which, entirely contrary to what you may have been told by r/atheism, medieval monks were quite eager to learn as much about God's world as they could, under the logic that this would let them learn more about God. In fact it was the Vatican that founded and funded bigname universities like Oxford and Cambridge, meaning that monks were outright the closest thing they had to scientists back then. Which, thanks to the intentionally practical and un-flashy robes monks wore, is ultimately the reason wizards always wear robes in fantasy.		Speaking of which, entirely contrary to what you may have been told by r/atheism, medieval monks were quite eager to learn as much about God's world as they could, under the logic that this would let them learn more about God. In fact it was the Vatican that founded and funded bigname universities like Oxford and Cambridge, meaning that monks were outright the closest thing they had to scientists back then. Which, thanks to the intentionally practical and un-flashy robes monks wore, is ultimately the reason wizards always wear robes in fantasy.

	An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens ~~and Monks~~ belonged to.		An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that monks and both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens belonged to.

	Also note that monks are male by default in real life. The female equivalent of a monk is a nun, and the term 'nun' is likewise applied to monastic women of any religion (so you've got Buddhist nuns, Orthodox nuns, etc.).		Also note that monks are male by default in real life. The female equivalent of a monk is a nun, and the term 'nun' is likewise applied to monastic women of any religion (so you've got Buddhist nuns, Orthodox nuns, etc.).

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Real World Monks

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	Note that a monk is not the same thing as a priest. A priest is someone whose job it is to carry out religious rites that ordinary believers either aren't qualified to, or simply wouldn't have the training necessary to do. A monk is technically just a regular believer who took up asceticism. For example, a regular Catholic monk is not allowed to perform mass, because only an ordained priest can to do that. You ''can'' be both a monk and an ordained priest in Catholicism, but that's not necessary nor all that common, depending on the monastic order in question (of which there are hundreds, each with their own distinctive traditions regarding this and many other questions and practices, although the basics apply throughout; in the Christian tradition, this is the threefold vow of "poverty, chastity, and obedience.") Other religions can vary quite a bit; in general Eastern monks and priests are quite different and one might seek out one for one purpose and the other for another, although the same applies in the West, only to a lesser extent: any Christian monastic settlement of any size is likely to have at least one or a handful of monks ordained as priests.		Note that a monk is not the same thing as a priest. A priest is someone whose job it is to carry out religious rites that ordinary believers either aren't qualified to, or simply wouldn't have the training necessary to do. A monk is technically just a regular believer who took up asceticism. For example, a regular Catholic monk is not allowed to perform mass, because only an ordained priest can to do that. You ''can'' be both a monk and an ordained priest in Catholicism, but that's not necessary nor all that common, depending on the monastic order in question (of which there are hundreds, each with their own distinctive traditions regarding this and many other questions and practices, although the basics apply throughout; in the Christian tradition, this is the threefold vow of "poverty, chastity, and obedience.") Other religions can vary quite a bit; in general Eastern monks and priests are quite different and one might seek out one for one purpose and the other for another, although the same applies in the West, only to a lesser extent: any Christian monastic settlement of any size is likely to have at least one or a handful of monks ordained as priests.

	For much of the [[Dark Age]], Catholic monks were a vital source of labor for the church. They performed routine tasks such as farming and brewing, built and maintained facilities, and those who were literate copied and illuminated manuscripts prior to the invention of the printing press. Although this life was tough, it gave a certain amount of security from outside threats and made sure that you were kept warm and fed... most of the time. Being a monk was also pretty much the only way for a commoner to ~~recieve~~ basic education.		For much of the [[Dark Age]], Catholic monks were a vital source of labor for the church. They performed routine tasks such as farming and brewing, built and maintained facilities, and those who were literate copied and illuminated manuscripts prior to the invention of the printing press. Although this life was tough, it gave a certain amount of security from outside threats and made sure that you were kept warm and fed... most of the time. Being a monk was also pretty much the only way for a commoner to receive basic education.

			Speaking of which, entirely contrary to what you may have been told by r/atheism, medieval monks were quite eager to learn as much about God's world as they could, under the logic that this would let them learn more about God. In fact it was the Vatican that founded and funded bigname universities like Oxford and Cambridge, meaning that monks were outright the closest thing they had to scientists back then. Which, thanks to the intentionally practical and un-flashy robes monks wore, is ultimately the reason wizards always wear robes in fantasy.

	An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens and Monks belonged to.		An offshot (and the cultural reference when talking about Paladins) from monastic orders were the various knightly orders that sprung up in the wake of the Crusades, that both Knights seeking to keep the Holy Land free of heathens and Monks belonged to.

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 Curiously, the monk also has technically two multiclass options: The base one, and the Advanced Player's Guide '''Martial Artist''' archetype, which pretty much exclusively permits you to get the better fists (though no counts-as-metal shit) and the mundane stances without wasting time with the other stuff or worrying about level restrictions that apply with multiclassing. Another strange archetype is the '''Bullet Dancer''' from Guns & Gears, which introduces a stance made for firearms. While funny in concept, the archetype provides no additional proficiency in firearms, and this limits you to mostly pistols and old-fashioned rifles.
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 * Previous careers can be: Friar, Initiate, Physician, Scholar, Scribe, Student.
 * Next careers can be: Abbot, Apprentice Witch, Cantor, Cult Acolyte of Khorne, Cult Acolyte of Nurgle, Cult Acolyte of Slaanesh, Cult Acolyte of Tzeentch, Demagogue, Friar, Physician, Pilgrim, Priest, Scholar, Slave, Steppes Nomad, Steward, Thrall, Wise Woman, Zealot.
 [[Category:Warhammer Fantasy]]