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Dual-classing

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	===Dual-classing===		===Dual-classing===
	''Dual-classing'' was human-exclusive, because ''of course'' humans [[Mary Sue\|have to have the potential to be the best at ''anything'']] - at least, until [[Red Steel]] came out, with [[Lupin]]s, [[Rakasta]]s and [[Aranea]] able to dual-class as well. At any point in his or her career, a human could, after gaining a level, decide to ''dual-class'' into another class he or she met the stat requirements for. Upon doing so, the character would be reset to level one in a second class to keep going from there. Once they reached one level higher in the second class than they had originally had in the first, the character would ''regain'' all the abilities learned from the first class. It would never advance again, but he or she would keep on leveling the second class. Thus, the usual way of doing it was to start as a muscle class (for the early advantage) before becoming a spellcaster (for the late-game scaling). One small detail, though - before you reached a higher level in your new class you could still use your old class's abilities, but if you did you forfeited ALL experience points gained from that encounter and half of those gained from the rest of the adventure (because you're trying to learn a ''new'' thing rather than old shit), effectively not only stalling out your character's permanent advancement. This made it a desperation move, done only to save the character's life... and sometimes, depending on GM generosity and death-reversal availability, not even then!		''Dual-classing'' was human-exclusive, because ''of course'' humans [[Mary Sue\|have to have the potential to be the best at ''anything'']] - at least, until [[Red Steel]] came out, with [[Lupin]]s, [[Rakasta]]s and [[Aranea]] able to dual-class as well, whilst [[Dark Sun]] would give [[mul]]s the ability to choose to either multiclass or dual-class. At any point in his or her career, a human could, after gaining a level, decide to ''dual-class'' into another class he or she met the stat requirements for. Upon doing so, the character would be reset to level one in a second class to keep going from there. Once they reached one level higher in the second class than they had originally had in the first, the character would ''regain'' all the abilities learned from the first class. It would never advance again, but he or she would keep on leveling the second class. Thus, the usual way of doing it was to start as a muscle class (for the early advantage) before becoming a spellcaster (for the late-game scaling). One small detail, though - before you reached a higher level in your new class you could still use your old class's abilities, but if you did you forfeited ALL experience points gained from that encounter and half of those gained from the rest of the adventure (because you're trying to learn a ''new'' thing rather than old shit), effectively not only stalling out your character's permanent advancement. This made it a desperation move, done only to save the character's life... and sometimes, depending on GM generosity and death-reversal availability, not even then!

	Both were, as was the rule back then, unnecessarily complicated, messy, and a pain to manage; and doing it wrong meant crippling your character permanently, but they could still be very powerful if the players knew what they were doing.		Both were, as was the rule back then, unnecessarily complicated, messy, and a pain to manage; and doing it wrong meant crippling your character permanently, but they could still be very powerful if the players knew what they were doing.

	A sort of prototype of 3rd edition's Multiclassing style, ~~with~~ a character picking up "functional levels in" secondary or even tertiary classes, did make an ~~appeared~~ in AD&D. ~~Mostly~~ it was reserved for "Creator's Pet" NPCs, like the [[Seven Sisters]].		This was a sort of prototype of 3rd edition's Multiclassing style, to the extent that a character picking up "functional levels in" secondary or even tertiary classes did make an appearance in AD&D... though mostly it was reserved for "Creator's Pet" NPCs, like the [[Seven Sisters]].

	==3rd Edition & Pathfinder==		==3rd Edition & Pathfinder==

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	[[Deathwatch (RPG)]] did away with this, and basically added layers of character progression, so you could take your options from multiple careers if you so chose. In fact starting characters got FOUR classes before even starting their first mission ''(Generic Space Marine, Space Marine of a specific Chapter, Deathwatch Specialist, and whatever role they choose)'' Adding in more Advanced Specializations was a simple buy in deal that just gives you more options and never restricted you from what you already had.		[[Deathwatch (RPG)]] did away with this, and basically added layers of character progression, so you could take your options from multiple careers if you so chose. In fact starting characters got FOUR classes before even starting their first mission ''(Generic Space Marine, Space Marine of a specific Chapter, Deathwatch Specialist, and whatever role they choose)'' Adding in more Advanced Specializations was a simple buy in deal that just gives you more options and never restricted you from what you already had.

	[[Black Crusade]] and [[Only War]] took this a bit further and ~~practically never gives the player the ability to multiclass~~. Instead you choose a starting package of skills and talents at character creation and after that EVERY skill/talent is available to you, modified only by your ever shifting [[Chaos\|alignment]] (in Black Crusade) or allowing you to periodically change your aptitudes (in Only War). So you can change your role into whatever you can dream of using the rules.		[[Black Crusade]] and [[Only War]] took this a bit further and almost removes classes entirely. Instead you choose a starting package of skills and talents at character creation and after that EVERY skill/talent is available to you, modified only by your ever shifting [[Chaos\|alignment]] (in Black Crusade) or allowing you to periodically change your aptitudes (in Only War). So you can change your role into whatever you can dream of using the rules.

	===[[Exalted]]===		===[[Exalted]]===

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	This edition also gave rise to the idea of a [[Dip Class]], one that a character would take only a few levels in for front-loaded initial benefits before reclassing out of for better-scaling ones. The archetypical example is the pre-[[Pathfinder]] [[fighter]], which offered good hit-points and feat support for the first few levels before falling off later.		This edition also gave rise to the idea of a [[Dip Class]], one that a character would take only a few levels in for front-loaded initial benefits before reclassing out of for better-scaling ones. The archetypical example is the pre-[[Pathfinder]] [[fighter]], which offered good hit-points and feat support for the first few levels before falling off later.

	In general, this class and multi-class system was pretty fun and functional. It had a lot to offer for people trying to build their own unique characters within a sane framework, and the addition of [[Prestige ~~classes~~]] helped encourage otherwise-neglected combinations. However, it had... internal problems:		In general, this class and multi-class system was pretty fun and functional. It had a lot to offer for people trying to build their own unique characters within a sane framework, and the addition of [[Prestige Class]]es helped encourage otherwise-neglected combinations. However, it had... internal problems:
	* [[Monte Cook]]'s insane caster fetish ensured that magic classes were just balls-out more powerful than others, while a lack of broad quality control often meant that many classes were often poorly-designed and broken, in [[CoDzilla\|both]] [[Truenamer\|directions]].		* [[Monte Cook]]'s insane caster fetish ensured that magic classes were just balls-out more powerful than others, while a lack of broad quality control often meant that many classes were often poorly-designed and broken, in [[CoDzilla\|both]] [[Truenamer\|directions]].
	* Redundant class powers didn't always stack, and pure casters rarely took levels outside their first when doing so meant losing a full level's worth of spells and caster-level progression.		* Redundant class powers didn't always stack, and pure casters rarely took levels outside their first when doing so meant losing a full level's worth of spells and caster-level progression.
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	Redone with 2nd Edition, where, like everything else, it's built around feats.		Redone with 2nd Edition, where, like everything else, it's built around feats.

	You're marred for life to the class you pick at level 1 but starting at 2nd level, instead of grabbing normal class feats, you instead can get a Dedication feat to an Archetype. Archetypes break class abilities into feats, so you can grab the parts your build needs while not gimping your main class abilities like by being a level 5 [[bard]] with the [[fighter]]'s armour and weapon proficiencies instead of going Lv3 bard/Lv2 fighter. In addition to the main class a Archetypes, it is also how you get your [[Prestige ~~class~~]]es.		You're marred for life to the class you pick at level 1 but starting at 2nd level, instead of grabbing normal class feats, you instead can get a Dedication feat to an Archetype. Archetypes break class abilities into feats, so you can grab the parts your build needs while not gimping your main class abilities like by being a level 5 [[bard]] with the [[fighter]]'s armour and weapon proficiencies instead of going Lv3 bard/Lv2 fighter. In addition to the main class a Archetypes, it is also how you get your [[Prestige Class]]es.

	When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.		When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.

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	[[File:Bust_of_William_Adams.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[wikipedia:William_Adams_(pilot)\|William Adams,]] multiclass [[Pirate]]/[[Samurai]].]]		[[File:Bust_of_William_Adams.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|[[wikipedia:William_Adams_(pilot)\|William Adams,]] multiclass [[Pirate]]/[[Samurai]].]]
	Ever since the [[Dungeons & Dragons\|the original D&D]] made every [[Player Character]] pick a [[class]], players have ~~chaffed~~ at the restrictions that imposed. Why can't I build half the characters in [[The Lord of the Rings]] in this system? Why can't the [[Fighter]] learn to throw a few spells around? Why can't the [[Rogue]] focus more on learning to fight than learning to skillmonkey? Why is the [[Wizard]] only able to [[powergamer\|do fucking everything in the right hands with the right mindset]]? Whose bright idea was it to make [[Elf]] and [[Dwarf]] their own classes?		Ever since the [[Dungeons & Dragons\|the original D&D]] made every [[Player Character]] pick a [[class]], players have chafed at the restrictions that imposed. Why can't I build half the characters in [[The Lord of the Rings]] in this system? Why can't the [[Fighter]] learn to throw a few spells around? Why can't the [[Rogue]] focus more on learning to fight than learning to skillmonkey? Why is the [[Wizard]] only able to [[powergamer\|do fucking everything in the right hands with the right mindset]]? Whose bright idea was it to make [[Elf]] and [[Dwarf]] their own classes?

	As a result, uncharacteristically following public opinion and appeal, the tabletop RPG market actually responded by giving the player the ability to '''multiclass''', gaining many of the advantages of two different classes at once. Usually, this also means sacrificing ''some'' of the advantages of both classes or suffering a penalty of some kind to compensate and maintain balance, meaning that characters who multiclass are sacrificing the raw, specialized power of their initial choice for increased versatility.		As a result, uncharacteristically following public opinion and appeal, the tabletop RPG market actually responded by giving the player the ability to '''multiclass''', gaining many of the advantages of two different classes at once. Usually, this also means sacrificing ''some'' of the advantages of both classes or suffering a penalty of some kind to compensate and maintain balance, meaning that characters who multiclass are sacrificing the raw, specialized power of their initial choice for increased versatility.

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Pathfinder 2nd Edition

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	===Pathfinder 2nd Edition===		===Pathfinder 2nd Edition===
	Redone with 2nd Edition ~~is being~~ built around feats.		Redone with 2nd Edition, where, like everything else, it's built around feats.
	~~Your~~ marred for life to the class you pick at ~~lv1~~ but starting at 2nd level, instead of grabbing normal class feats, you instead can get a Dedication feat to an Archetype. Archetypes break class ~~ability~~ into feats so you can grab the parts your build needs while not gimping your main class abilities like by being a level 5 [[bard]] with the [[fighter]]'s armour and weapon proficiencies instead of going Lv3 bard/Lv2 fighter. ~~Inadtion~~ to the main class a Archetypes, it is also how you get your [[Prestige class]]es.
			You're marred for life to the class you pick at level 1 but starting at 2nd level, instead of grabbing normal class feats, you instead can get a Dedication feat to an Archetype. Archetypes break class abilities into feats, so you can grab the parts your build needs while not gimping your main class abilities like by being a level 5 [[bard]] with the [[fighter]]'s armour and weapon proficiencies instead of going Lv3 bard/Lv2 fighter. In addition to the main class a Archetypes, it is also how you get your [[Prestige class]]es.

	When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.		When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.

	All the main classes have Multiclass Archetypes. To also save paper, many of the similar variant and Prestige classes from 1st Ed that were the same abilities copied and pasted onto other classes (like being good with scrolls or is [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Batman]]) became Archetypes if not already class feats.		All the main classes have Multiclass Archetypes. To also save paper, many of the similar variant and Prestige classes from 1st Ed that were the same abilities copied and pasted onto other classes (like being good with scrolls or is [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Batman]]) became Archetypes if not already class feats.
	For more on Archetypes, [[List of Archetypes in Pathfinder Second Edition\|click here]].		For more on Archetypes, [[List of Archetypes in Pathfinder Second Edition\|click here]].

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Pathfinder 2nd Edition

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	When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.		When you take an Archetype, you must take at least 2 other of its feats before starting a new Archetype.
	All the main classes have Multiclass Archetypes. To also save paper, many of the similar variant and Prestige classes from 1st Ed that were the same abilities copied and pasted onto other classes (like being good with scrolls or is [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Batman]]) became Archetypes if not already class feats.		All the main classes have Multiclass Archetypes. To also save paper, many of the similar variant and Prestige classes from 1st Ed that were the same abilities copied and pasted onto other classes (like being good with scrolls or is [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Batman]]) became Archetypes if not already class feats.
			For more on Archetypes, [[List of Archetypes in Pathfinder Second Edition\|click here]].
	{{Pathfinder-2nd-Edition-Archetypes}}		{{Pathfinder-2nd-Edition-Archetypes}}

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3rd Edition and Subsidiaries

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	A sort of prototype of 3rd edition's Multiclassing style, with a character picking up "functional levels in" secondary or even tertiary classes, did make an appeared in AD&D. Mostly it was reserved for "Creator's Pet" NPCs, like the [[Seven Sisters]].		A sort of prototype of 3rd edition's Multiclassing style, with a character picking up "functional levels in" secondary or even tertiary classes, did make an appeared in AD&D. Mostly it was reserved for "Creator's Pet" NPCs, like the [[Seven Sisters]].

	==3rd Edition ~~and Subsidiaries~~==		==3rd Edition & Pathfinder==
	Third Edition changed the way leveling worked, and multiclassing is much more straightforward.		Third Edition changed the way leveling worked, and multiclassing is much more straightforward.