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	* and probably [[charisma]] to seduce the dragon when slapping it to death fails.		* and probably [[charisma]] to seduce the dragon when slapping it to death fails.

	:Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons~~, unlike ranged ones,~~ still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.		:Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.

	For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].		For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].

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	* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;		* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;
	* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;		* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;
	* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be in the front-line like a [[fighter]] and not second-line like [[~~rouge~~]];		* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be in the front-line like a [[fighter]] and not second-line like [[rogue]];
	* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;		* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;
	* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;		* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;

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	* and probably [[charisma]] to seduce the dragon when slapping it to death fails.		* and probably [[charisma]] to seduce the dragon when slapping it to death fails.

	Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.		:Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.

	For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].		For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].

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	* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;		* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;
	* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;		* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;
	* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be in the front line like a [[fighter]] and not second like [[rouge]];		* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be in the front-line like a [[fighter]] and not second-line like [[rouge]];
	* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;		* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;
	* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;		* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;

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	* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;		* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;
	* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;		* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;
	* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be a ~~melee~~ fighter;		* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be in the front line like a [[fighter]] and not second like [[rouge]];
	* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;		* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;
	* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;		* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;

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	:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''		:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''

	[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats and put more points into the only one they care about]].		[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats]] and [[min-max\|put more points into the only one they care about]].

	The archetypal example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:		The archetypal example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:

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	[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats and put more points into the only one they care about]].		[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats and put more points into the only one they care about]].

	The ~~archetypical~~ example is the ~~vanilla~~ [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:		The archetypal example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:
	* good [[strength]] to ~~be a good melee striker~~;		* good [[strength]] to make up for its lack of weapons;
	* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor~~, boost initiative to minimize the number of hits enemies get in,~~ and to power up ~~bonus feats like~~ Combat Reflexes;		* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;
	* good [[constitution]] because~~, as~~ a melee ~~brawler, it needs hitpoints~~;		* good [[constitution]] because some assclown decided that it should be a melee fighter;
			* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;
	* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;		* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;
			* and probably [[charisma]] to seduce the dragon when slapping it to death fails.
	~~It also benefits from good [[intelligence]] to make the best use of its skill list~~ and probably ~~likes~~ [[charisma]] to ~~hire henchmen and make use of some of your ''other'' skills on~~ the ~~list~~.

	Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.		Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.

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	:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''		:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''

	[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult.		[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats and put more points into the only one they care about]].

	The archetypical example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on		The archetypical example is the vanilla [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:
	* good [[strength]] to ~~make up for its lack of weapons~~;		* good [[strength]] to be a good melee striker;
	* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor and to power up Combat Reflexes;		* good [[dexterity]] to make up for its lack of armor, boost initiative to minimize the number of hits enemies get in, and to power up bonus feats like Combat Reflexes;
	* good [[constitution]] because ~~some assclown decided that it should be~~ a melee ~~fighter;~~		* good [[constitution]] because, as a melee brawler, it needs hitpoints;
	* good [[intelligence]] for when you multiclass into Wizard or Psion after realizing how fucking horrible monks are;
	* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;		* good [[wisdom]] to make up for its lack of armor (monks gain bonus AC for high wisdom scores) and to increase the difficulty class of saving throws against its Quivering Palm and Stunning Fist abilities;
	* and probably [[charisma]] to ~~seduce~~ the ~~dragon when slapping it to death fails~~.
			It also benefits from good [[intelligence]] to make the best use of its skill list and probably likes [[charisma]] to hire henchmen and make use of some of your ''other'' skills on the list.

	Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.		Thus the monk is relegated to tier 5, where it begs for spare change alongside the Healer class, the NPC "Expert" class, and unoptimized Fighters. One might think that if a monk specializes in throwing shurikens, it can ignore strength ''and'' wisdom, and focus on dexterity. However, thrown weapons, unlike ranged ones, still derive their damage from a character's strength modifier.
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	For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].		For the [[4e]] equivalent, see non[[human]] Star Pact [[Warlock]].

	[[The Dark Eye]], in contrast to its American counterpart, makes most classes depend on multiple attributes. It accomplishes this by making all skill and spell rolls require passing three checks, each based a different attribute and you have to divide your skill rating between them (e.g., with a SR of 9 you can dump all 9 points on one rolls, split it evenly so each roll is 3 better ect.). This is further complicated by rolls not just being straight pass/fail but giving a higher quality rating by how much you can pass the roll. In particular contrast to the idea of fighters being the one with MAD, it's mages that are most hindered by this, making all schools of magic based on ''different'' three attributes, while by contrast attack rolls and parry rolls are ~~both~~ based on ~~strength~~ '~~'or'' agility~~.		[[The Dark Eye]], in contrast to its American counterpart, makes most classes depend on multiple attributes. It accomplishes this by making all skill and spell rolls require passing three checks, each based a different attribute and you have to divide your skill rating between them (e.g., with a SR of 9 you can dump all 9 points on one rolls, split it evenly so each roll is 3 better ect.). This is further complicated by rolls not just being straight pass/fail but giving a higher quality rating by how much you can pass the roll. In particular contrast to the idea of fighters being the one with MAD, it's mages that are most hindered by this, making all schools of magic based on ''different'' three attributes, while by contrast attack rolls and parry rolls are based on a single attribute. Of course, if the system as a whole makes all classes multi-ability-dependent, then it's instead designed around preventing [[dump stat]]s.

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	:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''		:''"MAD" redirects here. This article is about a [[D&D]] term. For when'' people ''are MAD, which they generally are when they have to deal with MAD, see [[rage]]. For the national security policy see [[Wikipedia:Mutual Assured Destruction\|Mutual Assured Destruction]].''

	[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats and put more points into the only one they care about]].		[[Multiple Ability Dependency]], often shortened to '''MAD''', is a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] term that refers to a [[class]] or [[build]] that requires high scores in many different [[stats]] in order to be effective, as opposed to classes which are dependent on only one or two. Classes or builds that suffer from MAD are generally underpowered in comparison to more specialized classes, as they require each Ability to be roughly as high as those dependent on smaller numbers of abilities, even though getting high scores in a large number of attributes is difficult. It is the opposite of Single Ability Dependency, or ''SAD'', which is a class that only relies on one ability or stat to do its job, and so benefits from being able to [[dump stat\|ignore all the other stats]] and [[min-max\|put more points into the only one they care about]].

	The archetypal example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on:		The archetypal example is the [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3rd Edition]] [[Monk]], which is dependent on: