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1d4chan>Raton-Laveur at 21:06, 23 May 2022

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	TSR's authorial staff at first hoped [[Lorraine Williams\|You Know Who]] would let them do a 2E AD&D "Known World". [[Jeff Grubb]] cobbled together a draught, but She Who Shouldn't Have Been Obeyed had it all stripped down to Karameikos only. Then her nu-TSR put out some half-assed stuff to do with Castle Amber, and that [[retcon]]-heavy [[Champions of Mystara]] (from [[Voyage of the Princess Ark]]). Since only the old-school players even knew what this shit was about, no newbies got into it, and these moves failed. Then TSR abandoned it all entirely. Lorraine's ''brilliant'' marketing savvy, once again!		TSR's authorial staff at first hoped [[Lorraine Williams\|You Know Who]] would let them do a 2E AD&D "Known World". [[Jeff Grubb]] cobbled together a draught, but She Who Shouldn't Have Been Obeyed had it all stripped down to Karameikos only. Then her nu-TSR put out some half-assed stuff to do with Castle Amber, and that [[retcon]]-heavy [[Champions of Mystara]] (from [[Voyage of the Princess Ark]]). Since only the old-school players even knew what this shit was about, no newbies got into it, and these moves failed. Then TSR abandoned it all entirely. Lorraine's ''brilliant'' marketing savvy, once again!

	But fans keep Mystara afloat - rather, aloft, because Mystara. A dude in <s>Greater England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [~~http://www.youtube.com/user/thehgw/~~ Mr. Welch], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He spent a long time actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild, but ultimately was forced to concede that WotC deserves only a "fuck it" and he released it online through his own website. Meanwhile Grubb plans to release all his 2E work on [[Vaults of Pandius]], however belatedly.		But fans keep Mystara afloat - rather, aloft, because Mystara. A dude in <s>Greater England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [[Mr. Welch]], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He spent a long time actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild, but ultimately was forced to concede that WotC deserves only a "fuck it" and he released it online through his own website. Meanwhile Grubb plans to release all his 2E work on [[Vaults of Pandius]], however belatedly.

	Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.		Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.

2607:FB90:5DC8:2ABF:AB0:F041:11A:90A7: Greyhawk was not opened up with Ghosts of Saltmarsh. It is still banned from the guild.

2021-08-23T13:51:09Z

Greyhawk was not opened up with Ghosts of Saltmarsh. It is still banned from the guild.

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	Shortly after [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]] became a thing, [[Mr. Welch]] launched his Youtube career creating lore videos for new players to try and introduce them to Mystara, his favorite D&D setting. And, once he'd done that, he naturally began working on a full-blown conversion of Mystara to 5e, with plans to release it on the [[DM's Guild]]. He spent '''years''' working on it, reaching out to other Mystara fans for playtesting, editing the somewhat notoriously clusterfucky mess of Mystara lore into a coherent whole, commissioning precious (and highly expensive!) high-quality artwork and generally get shit fucking '''done'''!		Shortly after [[Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition]] became a thing, [[Mr. Welch]] launched his Youtube career creating lore videos for new players to try and introduce them to Mystara, his favorite D&D setting. And, once he'd done that, he naturally began working on a full-blown conversion of Mystara to 5e, with plans to release it on the [[DM's Guild]]. He spent '''years''' working on it, reaching out to other Mystara fans for playtesting, editing the somewhat notoriously clusterfucky mess of Mystara lore into a coherent whole, commissioning precious (and highly expensive!) high-quality artwork and generally get shit fucking '''done'''!

	...And then WotC screwed him over. See, originally, the DM's Guild was set up promising that it would let fans submit content for D&D settings of their choice... and then they revealed the fine print that they would only accept material that was either "generic D&D" or based on settings that WotC had already released themselves. Which, for the longest time, just meant the [[Forgotten Realms]] (though that didn't stop some magnificently crazy bastards sneaking Faerun subsettings like [[Al-Qadim]], [[Maztica]] and [[Anchorome]] in). Years passed; [[Eberron]] returned, [[Ravenloft]] was opened up based on [[Curse of Strahd~~]], [[Greyhawk]] thanks to [[Ghosts of Saltmarsh~~]], and we got two [[Magic: The Gathering]] worlds in [[Ravnica]] and [[Theros]], but for the most part, WotC seemed content to largely ignore their vast stockpile of other settings.		...And then WotC screwed him over. See, originally, the DM's Guild was set up promising that it would let fans submit content for D&D settings of their choice... and then they revealed the fine print that they would only accept material that was either "generic D&D" or based on settings that WotC had already released themselves. Which, for the longest time, just meant the [[Forgotten Realms]] (though that didn't stop some magnificently crazy bastards sneaking Faerun subsettings like [[Al-Qadim]], [[Maztica]] and [[Anchorome]] in). Years passed; [[Eberron]] returned, [[Ravenloft]] was opened up based on [[Curse of Strahd]], and we got two [[Magic: The Gathering]] worlds in [[Ravnica]] and [[Theros]], but for the most part, WotC seemed content to largely ignore their vast stockpile of other settings.

	Then in 2021 came the straw that broke the camel's back. [[Van Richten's Guide]] to [[Ravenloft]] was released, and it became an instant shitshow for how badly WotC had fucked it up. In some circles, it became regarded as worse than the post-[[Spellplague]] [[Forgotten Realms]] - at least the Spellplague was a legitimate attempt to move the storyline along and address issues spawned by decades of novels crowding into canon, whilst VRGTR was nothing but [[SJW\|pure political bullshit]]. On August 14, Mr. Welch put up a short video, explaining that he was sick of waiting on WotC, and after what they'd done to Ravenloft, the best he could hope for was that they continued to ignore it. So, he was abandoning his dreams of a Print on Demand Mystara Player's Handbook. Instead, he created a new site where fans could download it for free, and maybe offer him donations to both help him recoup the expense of creating it in the first place and to fund the creation of Mystara [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] and Mystara [[Monster Manual]].		Then in 2021 came the straw that broke the camel's back. [[Van Richten's Guide]] to [[Ravenloft]] was released, and it became an instant shitshow for how badly WotC had fucked it up. In some circles, it became regarded as worse than the post-[[Spellplague]] [[Forgotten Realms]] - at least the Spellplague was a legitimate attempt to move the storyline along and address issues spawned by decades of novels crowding into canon, whilst VRGTR was nothing but [[SJW\|pure political bullshit]]. On August 14, Mr. Welch put up a short video, explaining that he was sick of waiting on WotC, and after what they'd done to Ravenloft, the best he could hope for was that they continued to ignore it. So, he was abandoning his dreams of a Print on Demand Mystara Player's Handbook. Instead, he created a new site where fans could download it for free, and maybe offer him donations to both help him recoup the expense of creating it in the first place and to fund the creation of Mystara [[Dungeon Master's Guide]] and Mystara [[Monster Manual]].

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	;Thyatis and Alphatia		;Thyatis and Alphatia
	As if all the stuff described before wasn't enough, there was also a boxed set for a couple of empires that covered more territory than all the above combined. Thyatis was built like Ancient Rome, and Alphatia is a another magocracy but more industrial and bureaucratic than the cultish rulers of Glantri. Includes Norwold from CM1 just north of Known World.		As if all the stuff described before wasn't enough, there was also a boxed set for a couple of empires that covered more territory than all the above combined. Thyatis was built like Ancient Rome, and Alphatia is another magocracy but more industrial and bureaucratic than the cultish rulers of Glantri. Includes Norwold from CM1 just north of Known World.

	;The Hollow World		;The Hollow World
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	* [[Human]]: '''All''' of the Mystaran ethnicities are options.		* [[Human]]: '''All''' of the Mystaran ethnicities are options.
	* '''Absolutely ''NO'' [[Dragonborn]] or [[Planetouched]] - [[Aasimar]], [[Genasi]], [[Tiefling]]s - unless the DM permits it.'''		* '''Absolutely ''NO'' [[Dragonborn]] or [[Planetouched]] - [[Aasimar]], [[Genasi]], [[Tiefling]]s - unless the DM permits it.'''
	* No "half-breed" races, which in 5e terms means no [[Half-Elf]] and no [[Half-Orc]]. He ''did'' release the [[Elf]]/[[Ogre]] crossbreed race the [[N'djatwa]] as a free race on the DM's Guild, somehow, and that's A-OK, though.		* No "half-breed" races, which in 5e terms means no [[Half-Elf]] and no [[Half-Orc]]. They instead appear as the mixed-race background. He ''did'' release the [[Elf]]/[[Ogre]] crossbreed race the [[N'djatwa]] as a free race on the DM's Guild, somehow, and that's A-OK, though.
	* [[Lupin]]: Brings back the mixed race doggo-folk lore of old, with ''Bull'', ''Hound'' and ''Hunter'' subraces.		* [[Lupin]]: Brings back the mixed race doggo-folk lore of old, with ''Bull'', ''Hound'' and ''Hunter'' subraces.
	* [[Phanaton]]		* [[Phanaton]] A cross between a flying squirrel and a monkey. Can fly, but can't carry much.
	* [[Rakasta]]: Same multi-racial deal as the lupin; ''Domestic'', ''Greater'' and ''Wild'' subraces.		* [[Rakasta]]: Same multi-racial deal as the lupin; ''Domestic'', ''Greater'' and ''Wild'' subraces.
	* [[Sidhe]]		* [[Sidhe]] An undying race of fairies that resemble half-elves, with built-in magic, an iron allergy and can't use divine spells because of a long standing feud with the Immortals.
	* [[Tortle]]		* [[Tortle]] Very similar to the Forgotten Realms Tortles, but were created before those came out and were kept in the book.

	'''Classes:'''		'''Classes:'''
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	* [[Rogue]]: Two new subclases; the [[Rake]], here redesigned as a socially-focused rogue and so very much not sucking, and the ''Troubleshooter''.		* [[Rogue]]: Two new subclases; the [[Rake]], here redesigned as a socially-focused rogue and so very much not sucking, and the ''Troubleshooter''.
	* [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)\|Sorcerer]]: None of the canon sorcerer subclasses can be found here; only the [[Wokani]] and the Glantrian ''Disciple of the Radiance'' exist.		* [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)\|Sorcerer]]: None of the canon sorcerer subclasses can be found here; only the [[Wokani]] and the Glantrian ''Disciple of the Radiance'' exist.
	* [[Warlock]]: In contrast to the sorcerer, the Warlock gets to keep all of its PHB subclasses. There's also two Immortal-based subclasses; the ''Volva (Wise Woman)'', who draws power from the [[Norse Mythology\|Aesir]], and the ''Spirit Shaman'' of Ethengar.		* [[Warlock]]: In contrast to the sorcerer, the Warlock gets to keep all of its PHB subclasses. There's also two Immortal-based subclasses; the ''Volva (Wise Woman)'', who draws power from the [[Norse Mythology\|Aesir]], and the ''Spirit Shaman'' of Ethengar who gets power from the Spirit World.
	* [[Wizard]]: The new subclasses consist of the ''Treekeeper'', ''Merchant Prince'', and ''Fire Wizard''.		* [[Wizard]]: The new subclasses consist of the ''Treekeeper'', ''Merchant Prince'', and ''Fire Wizard''.

1d4chan>QuietBrowser: Updating the page due to Mr. Welch's decision to make his 5e book freely available online.

2021-08-13T20:41:24Z

Updating the page due to Mr. Welch's decision to make his 5e book freely available online.

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1d4chan>Zimriel at 20:16, 24 July 2021

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	[[Mystara]] is the original default published campaign setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. The actual original settings were "the lands around [[Castle Greyhawk]]," but [[Gary Gygax\|Gary]] couldn't get his shit together in time for TSR going to press, and [[Dave Arneson\|Dave]]'s [[Blackmoor]] wasn't much more than a city and a map, so David Cook and [[Tom Moldvay]] expanded on the examples they used in the wilderness rules for D&D Expert Set and the starter module [[X1: The Isle of Dread]]. The working name for the setting was just "Known World," which you still might see on old maps.		[[Mystara]] is the original default published campaign setting for [[Dungeons & Dragons]]. The actual original settings were "the lands around [[Castle Greyhawk]]," but [[Gary Gygax\|Gary]] couldn't get his shit together in time for TSR going to press, and [[Dave Arneson\|Dave]]'s [[Blackmoor]] wasn't much more than a city and a map, so David Cook and [[Tom Moldvay]] expanded on the examples they used in the wilderness rules for D&D Expert Set and the starter module [[X1: The Isle of Dread]]. The working name for the setting was just "Known World," which you still might see on old maps.

	TSR did the right thing with this world, by sketching out a variety of nations and cultures with a very broad brush (hippie elves over here, Corsican pirates over there, Arabs in here and some Cossack/Mongol horsemen up there...), and gave each nation to a writer to flesh it out into a sub-setting product. These products became the ~~"Gazetteer" series~~, which even today are pure goddamn gold. Do not hesitate to buy it if you see it in an old bookshop, and download the fuck out of them if you catch 'em on <s>rapidshare</s> Mediafire or Mega.		TSR did the right thing with this world, by sketching out a variety of nations and cultures with a very broad brush (hippie elves over here, Corsican pirates over there, Arabs in here and some Cossack/Mongol horsemen up there...), and gave each nation to a writer to flesh it out into a sub-setting product. These products became the [[Known World Gazetteers]], which even today are pure goddamn gold. Do not hesitate to buy it if you see it in an old bookshop, and download the fuck out of them if you catch 'em on <s>rapidshare</s> Mediafire or Mega.

	Arneson's Blackmoor was ~~ret-conned~~ into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.		Arneson's Blackmoor was [[retcon]]ned into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.

	TSR's authorial staff at first hoped [[Lorraine Williams\|You Know Who]] would let them do a 2E AD&D "Known World". [[Jeff Grubb]] cobbled together a draught, but She Who Shouldn't Have Been Obeyed had it all stripped down to Karameikos only. Then her nu-TSR put out some half-assed stuff to do with Castle Amber, and that [[retcon]]-heavy [[Champions of Mystara]] (from [[Voyage of the Princess Ark]]). Since only the old-school players even knew what this shit was about, no newbies got into it, and these moves failed. Then TSR abandoned it all entirely. Lorraine's ''brilliant'' marketing savvy, once again!		TSR's authorial staff at first hoped [[Lorraine Williams\|You Know Who]] would let them do a 2E AD&D "Known World". [[Jeff Grubb]] cobbled together a draught, but She Who Shouldn't Have Been Obeyed had it all stripped down to Karameikos only. Then her nu-TSR put out some half-assed stuff to do with Castle Amber, and that [[retcon]]-heavy [[Champions of Mystara]] (from [[Voyage of the Princess Ark]]). Since only the old-school players even knew what this shit was about, no newbies got into it, and these moves failed. Then TSR abandoned it all entirely. Lorraine's ''brilliant'' marketing savvy, once again!

1d4chan>Zimriel at 19:25, 17 July 2021

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	Arneson's Blackmoor was ret-conned into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.		Arneson's Blackmoor was ret-conned into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.

	Mystara was ~~discontinued by~~ TSR ~~(probably due to the~~ ''brilliant'' marketing savvy ~~of [[Lorraine Williams]])~~, ~~but~~ fans ~~still~~ keep it afloat. A dude in <s>Greater England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [http://www.youtube.com/user/thehgw/ Mr. Welch], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He's actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild.		TSR's authorial staff at first hoped [[Lorraine Williams\|You Know Who]] would let them do a 2E AD&D "Known World". [[Jeff Grubb]] cobbled together a draught, but She Who Shouldn't Have Been Obeyed had it all stripped down to Karameikos only. Then her nu-TSR put out some half-assed stuff to do with Castle Amber, and that [[retcon]]-heavy [[Champions of Mystara]] (from [[Voyage of the Princess Ark]]). Since only the old-school players even knew what this shit was about, no newbies got into it, and these moves failed. Then TSR abandoned it all entirely. Lorraine's ''brilliant'' marketing savvy, once again!

			But fans keep Mystara afloat - rather, aloft, because Mystara. A dude in <s>Greater England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [http://www.youtube.com/user/thehgw/ Mr. Welch], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He's actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild. Meanwhile Grubb plans to release all his 2E work on [[Vaults of Pandius]], however belatedly.

	Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.		Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.

1d4chan>Zimriel: I couldn't resist this low hanging bait

2021-05-15T00:30:29Z

I couldn't resist this low hanging bait

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	Arneson's Blackmoor was ret-conned into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.		Arneson's Blackmoor was ret-conned into Mystara as an Atlantis-style mythic past, and the legendary source of lost magics, efreet bottles, secrets man wasn't meant to know, blah blah. Gygax was already pooh-poohing Basic D&D in favor of his "Advanced" version with mary-sue elves and [[-4 STR\|strength penalties for women]], so his "World of Greyhawk" was for AD&D only.

	Mystara was discontinued by TSR (probably due to the ''brilliant'' marketing savvy of [[Lorraine Williams]]), but fans still keep it afloat. A dude in <s>England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [http://www.youtube.com/user/thehgw/ Mr. Welch], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He's actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild.		Mystara was discontinued by TSR (probably due to the ''brilliant'' marketing savvy of [[Lorraine Williams]]), but fans still keep it afloat. A dude in <s>Greater England</s> Scotland made the titanic effort to record and correlate all the maps from splatbooks and Dragon magazine articles. There's even been projects to rewrite the settings for D&D 4E. In terms of 5E, there is a conversion project made by [http://www.youtube.com/user/thehgw/ Mr. Welch], of "Things Mr. Welch Is No Longer Allowed to Do in an RPG" fame. He's actively trying to get the attention of the community, in hopes of opening the setting on DM's Guild.

	Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.		Mystara was also the setting for the pure fucking awesome Capcom produced Dungeons and Dragons side-scroller beat 'em up games: ''Tower of Doom'' and ''Shadow Over Mystara''.