Noble - Revision history

imported>Administrator: 58 revisions imported

2023-06-22T13:32:32Z

58 revisions imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 13:32, 22 June 2023
(No difference)

imported>Administrator: 1 revision imported

2023-06-19T02:49:50Z

1 revision imported

← Older revision	Revision as of 02:49, 19 June 2023
(No difference)

1d4chan>Piroko: /* "Noble" as a character class */

2023-05-20T04:44:09Z

"Noble" as a character class

← Older revision		Revision as of 04:44, 20 May 2023
Line 32:		Line 32:

	In [[Pathfinder]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Vigilante]] has several class feature options that support playing it as a “noble” class. Paths of Prestige introduced the Noble Scion class, which is really just a social skill monkey chassis that’s only not unsuitable for a player character because it gives free leadership twice.		In [[Pathfinder]], [[Vigilante (Pathfinder)\|Vigilante]] has several class feature options that support playing it as a “noble” class. Paths of Prestige introduced the Noble Scion class, which is really just a social skill monkey chassis that’s only not unsuitable for a player character because it gives free leadership twice.

			In [[Iron Kingdoms RPG]], human characters can pick Aristocrat as one of their two classes. An Aristocrat is a strong social/interaction class, including the ability to learn languages; IKRPG makes a point of making language a barrier that can only be overcome by characters who aren't total murderhobos, so this is a very important skill. Aristocrats also have access to some riding and leadership skills, placing them somewhere between the knight and military officer classes.

	[[Star Wars D20]] included the Noble class as a quasi Bard analog and, like all classes in the system, is a huge mess, but still one of the best non-force users in the system and one of only two classes with diplomacy as a class skill. ''Saga Edition'''s changes made the noble into a social skill monkey by default, with talent options allowing the class to function as a military officer, social butterfly, swashbuckler or more without necessarily being of nobility, rendering the name an artifact of the previous edition.		[[Star Wars D20]] included the Noble class as a quasi Bard analog and, like all classes in the system, is a huge mess, but still one of the best non-force users in the system and one of only two classes with diplomacy as a class skill. ''Saga Edition'''s changes made the noble into a social skill monkey by default, with talent options allowing the class to function as a military officer, social butterfly, swashbuckler or more without necessarily being of nobility, rendering the name an artifact of the previous edition.

2.31.231.88: /* "Noble" as a character class */

2023-05-20T00:13:19Z

"Noble" as a character class

← Older revision		Revision as of 00:13, 20 May 2023
Line 27:		Line 27:
	[[File:Lance, a noble rogue.jpg\|right\|thumb\|290px\|Ready to backstab you, either with a dagger or his tongue.]]		[[File:Lance, a noble rogue.jpg\|right\|thumb\|290px\|Ready to backstab you, either with a dagger or his tongue.]]

	[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]] included the [[Aristocrat]] as an NPC class. Like non-[[Adept]] NPC classes, it’s too weak for player use, although it does enjoy good starting money, fittingly. Power of Faerun would introduce the 3 level Merchant Prince(ss) [[Prestige Class]]. Anyone with sufficiently high intelligence and Profession as a class skill (read: Anyone but [[Barbarian]] and Aristocrat) can access this at the earliest possible point, but practically a class with high skill points is required. The three required feats are all of minimal use and most of its abilities are only useful for their interaction with the subsystems in the same book, but it does gain a small bit of a casting from a limited list.		[[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition]] included the [[Aristocrat]] as an NPC class. Like non-[[Adept]] NPC classes, it’s deliberately too weak for player use, although it does enjoy good starting money, fittingly. Power of Faerun would introduce the 3 level Merchant Prince(ss) [[Prestige Class]]. Anyone with sufficiently high intelligence and Profession as a class skill (read: Anyone but [[Barbarian]] and Aristocrat) can access this at the earliest possible point, but practically a class with high skill points is required. The three required feats are all of minimal use and most of its abilities are only useful for their interaction with the subsystems in the same book, but it does gain a small bit of a casting from a limited list.

	The main [[Dragonlance]] book for 3rd edition introduce a player class known as "Noble". It can only be taken at first level because apparently [[Derp\|nobody on Krynn is knighted or married into the gentry, apprenticed to a common trade/religious order only to be recalled to noble duties when their older siblings die, and absolutely never does any orphan discover they're a lost heir to a noble title]]. It has martial weapons, light armor, medium BAB, good reflex and will saves, and 4 skills from a socially focused list. Its only class features are picking one skill as a class skill, the GM fiat "favor" from the ''Star Wars d20'' Noble (see below) and Bardic Music. It's barely above an NPC class in power and thus [[Tier System\|Tier 5]], mostly saved by the ability to get UMD or Iaijutsu as a class skill and possible cheese that having any bardic music opens.		The main [[Dragonlance]] book for 3rd edition introduce a player class known as "Noble". It can only be taken at first level because apparently [[Derp\|nobody on Krynn is knighted or married into the gentry, apprenticed to a common trade/religious order only to be recalled to noble duties when their older siblings die, and absolutely never does any orphan discover they're a lost heir to a noble title]]. It has martial weapons, light armor, medium BAB, good reflex and will saves, and 4 skills from a socially focused list. Its only class features are picking one skill as a class skill, the GM fiat "favor" from the ''Star Wars d20'' Noble (see below) and Bardic Music. It's barely above an NPC class in power and thus [[Tier System\|Tier 5]], mostly saved by the ability to get UMD or Iaijutsu as a class skill and possible cheese that having any bardic music opens.

1d4chan>Lolmeme69: /* See Also */

2023-05-05T07:00:37Z

1d4chan>Lolmeme69: /* See Also */

2023-05-05T06:59:55Z

1d4chan>Piroko: /* Noble Title Examples */

2022-11-28T18:34:34Z

Noble Title Examples

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:34, 28 November 2022
Line 56:		Line 56:
	*'''Padishah''': Translated to "master king", basically a king with an even larger dong.		*'''Padishah''': Translated to "master king", basically a king with an even larger dong.

	*'''Count''': The lord of a county, used in most of Europe. The equivalent in Britain would be an Earl. In Europe, Counts did a lot of the administrative heavy lifting to make feudalism work since a county was usually about as large a block of land as one could reasonably cross by horse in a day. Politically their biggest frenemy was usually the local bishop.		*'''Count''': The lord of a county, used in most of Europe. The equivalent in Britain would be an Earl. In Europe, Counts did a lot of the administrative heavy lifting to make feudalism work since a county was usually about as large a block of land as one could reasonably cross by horse in a day. Politically their biggest frenemy was usually the local bishop, who could make life easy or very hard depending on how pious (read as: generous) a count was.

	*'''Marquess/Marquis/Margrave''': These guys were the leaders of a 'March' i.e. a border province, and had thus the military responsibility to defend said border on top of the administrative/feudal ones. Hence the accordingly more prestigious title than Count, but still below Duke.		*'''Marquess/Marquis/Margrave''': These guys were the leaders of a 'March' i.e. a border province, and had thus the military responsibility to defend said border on top of the administrative/feudal ones. Hence the accordingly more prestigious title than Count, but still below Duke.

1d4chan>Piroko: /* Noble Title Examples */

2022-11-28T18:31:33Z

Noble Title Examples

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:31, 28 November 2022
Line 56:		Line 56:
	*'''Padishah''': Translated to "master king", basically a king with an even larger dong.		*'''Padishah''': Translated to "master king", basically a king with an even larger dong.

	*'''Count''': The lord of a county, used in most of Europe. The equivalent in Britain would be an Earl.		*'''Count''': The lord of a county, used in most of Europe. The equivalent in Britain would be an Earl. In Europe, Counts did a lot of the administrative heavy lifting to make feudalism work since a county was usually about as large a block of land as one could reasonably cross by horse in a day. Politically their biggest frenemy was usually the local bishop.

	*'''Marquess/Marquis/Margrave''': These guys were the leaders of a 'March' i.e. a border province, and had thus the military responsibility to defend said border on top of the administrative/feudal ones. Hence the accordingly more prestigious title than Count, but still below Duke.		*'''Marquess/Marquis/Margrave''': These guys were the leaders of a 'March' i.e. a border province, and had thus the military responsibility to defend said border on top of the administrative/feudal ones. Hence the accordingly more prestigious title than Count, but still below Duke.
Line 68:		Line 68:
	*'''Daimyo''': A lord in feudal Japan. These were the guys who hired samurai in order to guard their lands. The balance of power between the Emperor and the Shogun hinged largely on who had more support from the Daimyos; most of the time it was the Shogun.		*'''Daimyo''': A lord in feudal Japan. These were the guys who hired samurai in order to guard their lands. The balance of power between the Emperor and the Shogun hinged largely on who had more support from the Daimyos; most of the time it was the Shogun.

	*'''[[Meme\|Doge]]''': The ''elected'' dictator-prince of Venice. The position was a life appointment which was occasionally bought by having the current Doge meet some unfortunate demise and then paying off enough of the electors.		*'''[[Meme\|Doge]]''': The ''elected'' dictator-prince of Venice. The position was a life appointment which was occasionally bought by having the current Doge meet some unfortunate demise and then paying off enough of the electors.

	== See Also ==		== See Also ==

73.113.76.109: /* Overview */

2022-11-05T03:37:05Z

Overview

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:37, 5 November 2022
Line 11:		Line 11:
	Nobles who aren't completely drunk on power know that he needs peasants as much as he needs them (after all, without peasants, who's gonna work for you to generate money and pay you taxes?), so they do their best in keeping the people happy, or at the very least treat them like human beings. Those who're on an eternal power trip usually don't last long when the peasants have had enough and decide to rebel ''en masse''. Or at least you would ''think'' that it would work like that, but the fact of the matter is that heavily armored cavalry tend to crush peasant rebellions in most cases so most of them don't particularly care about how badly they treat their peasants. Rebellion is made even more difficult by the fact that often tyranical nobles in the real world would grant favors to a portion of the peasant population at the expense of all the other peasants, pitting the peasants against each other. A more modern example of this tactic would be in Colonial Africa, where Europeans would often favor one ethnic group in a region over the others, breeding resentment and making it harder for the Africans to unite against their oppressors (and unsurprisingly leading to continued strife between said groups that has sometimes culminated in genocide, like the Hutu-Tutsi conflicts in Rwanda).		Nobles who aren't completely drunk on power know that he needs peasants as much as he needs them (after all, without peasants, who's gonna work for you to generate money and pay you taxes?), so they do their best in keeping the people happy, or at the very least treat them like human beings. Those who're on an eternal power trip usually don't last long when the peasants have had enough and decide to rebel ''en masse''. Or at least you would ''think'' that it would work like that, but the fact of the matter is that heavily armored cavalry tend to crush peasant rebellions in most cases so most of them don't particularly care about how badly they treat their peasants. Rebellion is made even more difficult by the fact that often tyranical nobles in the real world would grant favors to a portion of the peasant population at the expense of all the other peasants, pitting the peasants against each other. A more modern example of this tactic would be in Colonial Africa, where Europeans would often favor one ethnic group in a region over the others, breeding resentment and making it harder for the Africans to unite against their oppressors (and unsurprisingly leading to continued strife between said groups that has sometimes culminated in genocide, like the Hutu-Tutsi conflicts in Rwanda).

	Nobles, when defined broadly enough, are present in pretty much every society with a concept of wealth and power. The difficulties of translating such titles and the meanings they convey however could be quit difficult, as while a title could roughly translate to "king" or "marquess" it might not exactly have the same significance or powers as in Europe.		Nobles, when defined broadly enough, are present in pretty much every society with a concept of wealth and power. The difficulties of translating such titles and the meanings they convey however could be quit difficult, as while a title could roughly translate to "king" or "marquess" it might not exactly have the same significance or powers as in Europe. It is useful to keep in mind that in almost all historical examples the nobility also represent the warrior elite of that civilization, with extensive life-long training in both [[Rip and tear\|feats of personal badassery]] and the skills necessary to command armies. Typically the way this works is a brilliant commander rips apart an old and decadent kingdom and then gives the pieces to his best bros, who in turn pass both land and knowledge down to their kids, and so on. Eventually the competent conquerors' descendants devolve into useless louts and a brilliant commander repeats the cycle.

	Usually nobles had great financial resources, though it wasn't unheard of for nobles to fall on hard times, be forced to sell off estates, or be eclipsed by up and coming burghers. Usually their titles and land were hereditary, though some titles had to be rebestowed by the monarch to the heir and monarchs sometime gave titles that would dissolve with the death of the holder. Usually noble titles came with an associated plot of land though unlanded, honorary, courtesy and other such titles existed; if you noticed the word "usually" was used a lot then congratulations, you realized how much of a headache the aristocracy can be.		Usually nobles had great financial resources, though it wasn't unheard of for nobles to fall on hard times, be forced to sell off estates, or be eclipsed by up and coming burghers. Usually their titles and land were hereditary, though some titles had to be rebestowed by the monarch to the heir and monarchs sometime gave titles that would dissolve with the death of the holder. Usually noble titles came with an associated plot of land though unlanded, honorary, courtesy and other such titles existed; if you noticed the word "usually" was used a lot then congratulations, you realized how much of a headache the aristocracy can be.

1d4chan>Gilten: /* See Also */

2022-09-23T08:30:42Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 07:00, 5 May 2023
Line 75:		Line 75:
	*[[Necron]]		*[[Necron]]
	*[[Monarchy]]		*[[Monarchy]]
	*[[Noble House Creation Tables]]		*[[Noble House Creation Tables\|Warhammer 40k Noble House Creation Tables]]
	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

← Older revision		Revision as of 06:59, 5 May 2023
Line 75:		Line 75:
	*[[Necron]]		*[[Necron]]
	*[[Monarchy]]		*[[Monarchy]]
			*[[Noble House Creation Tables]]
	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]

← Older revision		Revision as of 08:30, 23 September 2022
Line 72:		Line 72:
	== See Also ==		== See Also ==
	*[[Bretonnia]]		*[[Bretonnia]]
			*[[Knight]]
	*[[Necron]]		*[[Necron]]
	*[[Monarchy]]		*[[Monarchy]]

	[[Category: History]]		[[Category: History]]