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	[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]		[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]
	They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was ~~calm~~ back ~~in those days~~), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the ~~Krork~~ (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, ~~in the same way~~ [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds), [[Laer]], [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .) [[Eldar]], and [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.		They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was an actual afterlife back then), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, which they most likely did. Then they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the Khrork (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, kind of like how [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds, but with less genetic deviation), [[Laer]] (which they would probably deeply hate if they knew what the laer had become), [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, the Eldar (maybe) and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .)the [[Eldar]] (if they didn’t create them outright), and the [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.

	The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.		The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.

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	[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]		[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]
	They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was calm back in those days), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the Krork (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, in the same way [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds), [[Laer]], [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many (like the human predecessors who didn’t exist then and so probably weren’t and some say beings that would evolve humanity’s ancestors were not altered or created by the Old Ones but instead left alone)(I had a stroke reading this) were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .) [[Eldar]], and [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.		They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was calm back in those days), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the Krork (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, in the same way [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds), [[Laer]], [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .) [[Eldar]], and [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.

	The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.		The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.

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	The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.		The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.

	It's basically impossible to talk what went down next without talking about what happened with the [[Necrontyr]]. The Necrontyr had grown up beneath a wretched sun that poured radiation upon them (this radiation may in fact have been Star Vampire shit or merely attracted them, more on them in a bit), so their lives were, without exception, incredibly short (although it's not clear ''how'' short). Nevertheless, they managed to scrape together a small interstellar empire, with different star systems ruled by different [[Necron Dynasty\|dynasties]]. However, with the First War of Secession, the empire fell into infighting, as the dynasties violently jockeyed for power.		It's basically impossible to talk what went down next without talking about what happened with the [[Necrontyr]]. The Necrontyr had grown up beneath a wretched sun that poured radiation upon them (this radiation may in fact have been Star Vampire shit or merely attracted them, more on them in a bit), so their lives were, without exception, incredibly short (although it's not clear ''how'' short)(Trazyn mentions that the average human lifetime is only slightly longer than the Necrontyr’s were. This being 40k, it’s still not entirely clear). Nevertheless, they managed to scrape together a small interstellar empire, with different star systems ruled by different [[Necron Dynasty\|dynasties]]. However, with the First War of Secession, the empire fell into infighting, as the dynasties violently jockeyed for power.

	The [[Triarch]] decided a war was just what the doctor ordered to keep the Necrontyr together, and so declared war on the Old Ones, claiming the ''casus belli'' of "you didn't share immortality with us poor, pitiful, mortal creatures." Though lore also says they just wanted medical help so they wouldn’t be in constant pain. The Old Ones refused. This was, as would be expected, a popular cause, and started the so-called [[War in Heaven]]. Why some races were gifted with immortality and others not is unclear, but is probably down to what their particular purpose was (one tenuous but curious connection between the [[Old Ones]] and the [[Cabal]] alluded to above is that the Cabal can apparently create [[Perpetual]]s. If there is a connection, and there are some other hints as well, then the Cabal is the Old Ones, or some vestige of a coalition of immortals appointed by them, trying to un[[Nurgle\|fuck]] the [[Slaanesh\|fuckery]] that they [[Khorne\|fucked up]] the [[Tzeentch\|fucking warp]] with by screwing over the only being Chaos is genuinely so scared shitless of they cannot even say his mere title without agony and so just call him “The Anathema”.)		The [[Triarch]] decided a war was just what the doctor ordered to keep the Necrontyr together, and so declared war on the Old Ones, claiming the ''casus belli'' of "you didn't share immortality with us poor, pitiful, mortal creatures." Though lore also says they just wanted medical help so they wouldn’t be in constant pain. The Old Ones refused. This was, as would be expected, a popular cause, and started the so-called [[War in Heaven]]. Why some races were gifted with immortality and others not is unclear, but is probably down to what their particular purpose was (one tenuous but curious connection between the [[Old Ones]] and the [[Cabal]] alluded to above is that the Cabal can apparently create [[Perpetual]]s. If there is a connection, and there are some other hints as well, then the Cabal is the Old Ones, or some vestige of a coalition of immortals appointed by them, trying to un[[Nurgle\|fuck]] the [[Slaanesh\|fuckery]] that they [[Khorne\|fucked up]] the [[Tzeentch\|fucking warp]] with by screwing over the only being Chaos is genuinely so scared shitless of they cannot even say his mere title without agony and so just call him “The Anathema”.)

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	[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]		[[File:TTS old ones.png\|thumb\|left\|The Old Ones as they appear in [[TTS]].]]
	They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was calm back in those days), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the Krork (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, in the same way [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds), [[Laer]], [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many (like the human predecessors who didn’t exist then and so probably weren’t and some say beings that would evolve humanity’s ancestors were not altered or created by the Old Ones but instead left alone) were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .) [[Eldar]], and [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.		They were incredibly potent psykers (especially since the [[Warp]] was calm back in those days), had access to the [[Webway]] (if they didn't build it themselves, they certainly discovered and expanded it), and had supremely advanced genetic engineering techniques. They created the Krork (prehistoric [[Ork]]s, in the same way [[dinosaur]]s are prehistoric birds), [[Laer]], [[Jokaero]] (showing that they have a sense of humor), the [[Hrud]], the Rashan, the K'nib, and many others; some of these were created solely as warrior-races, whereas many (like the human predecessors who didn’t exist then and so probably weren’t and some say beings that would evolve humanity’s ancestors were not altered or created by the Old Ones but instead left alone)(I had a stroke reading this) were created merely as part of planetary ecosystems, or maybe just for shits and giggles. They also “uplifted” ( in that they already existed but we’re still relatively primitive so the old ones made them smarter and probably gave them fire .) [[Eldar]], and [[Necrontyr]] (but since the Necrontyr met the Old Ones for the first time much later, this claim is unlikely). Because they believe that they could one day achieve the same greatness they did… Good God how they were [[FAIL\|wrong]] (ironically a lost cause like the poor frail humans are destined to become New Man like the Emperor, far beyond mere Old Ones seeing as his blows during the duel with Horus could have destroyed planets according to the story), (More on that later). The Old Ones were immortal (due to evolving so damn hard that they became energy beings), a gift they seem to have given in some form to [[Perpetual\|only]] [[Eldar\|some]] of their creations; and also, and of great importance, these races had ''souls'', which gave them presence in the Warp, where the Old Ones were getting up to their own stuff in as well. This eventually of course lead to the warp becoming the fucked up place it is "today," but all because of a lot of drama with the lesser races. The Old Ones [[Not As Planned\|didn't intend]] ([[Just As Planned\|or did they]]?) for it to get that way because, being a race of Energy beings (at this point), it was more or less their home for all intents and purposes.

	The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.		The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.

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	Next, [[Dwarfs]] were created. The Dwarfs actually resisted magic innately and in their presence it shifts back into formless current and seeps back into the Warp. The Dwarfs were hardy, and could physically bully magic into doing what they wanted it to (hence becoming great smiths of magic weapons free from Chaos taint using runes). However, the Dwarfs were stubborn and would not adapt fast enough in the face of demon trickery. The Old Ones abandoned yet another of their creations.		Next, [[Dwarfs]] were created. The Dwarfs actually resisted magic innately and in their presence it shifts back into formless current and seeps back into the Warp. The Dwarfs were hardy, and could physically bully magic into doing what they wanted it to (hence becoming great smiths of magic weapons free from Chaos taint using runes). However, the Dwarfs were stubborn and would not adapt fast enough in the face of demon trickery. The Old Ones abandoned yet another of their creations.

	The next race created was humanity (<s>in the heart of Africa</s> in the fertile crescent, which wraps around the South Eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea and a little inland at Syria and Iraq), which combined the magical aptitude of the elves (to a lesser degree) with the durability of the dwarves (to a lesser degree). Humanity's short lifespan with rapid reproduction along with ambition and lust not seen in their elder races combined would enable humans to have time to adapt and overcome anything Chaos could send at them. But humanity was ~~<s>as weak-willed as it was strong</s> vulnerable to Chaos due to their~~ ambition~~. Ambition~~ and adaptability ~~was~~ a great strength ~~that could service them~~ against Chaos, ~~but~~ it ~~was~~ also ~~a horrible weakness that~~ made ~~mankind too physically and mentally malleable. Ultimately, it came down~~ to the ~~choice~~ of ~~the individual; either they resist temptation~~ or ~~fall prey to their ambitions. Considering humanity is the species that kicks the shit out of Chaos all the time, clearly we are a resounding success~~ as ~~opposed to all the rest who proved rather pathetic or a severe problem in the fight against the Ruinous Powers. Although it's worth noting that~~ humans (including Beastmen~~) also~~ make up a majority of Chaos's forces ~~in the world (especially after the retcon that had Dark Elves like Atharti instead of Slaanesh~~). Nobody’s perfect. (Although it’s also, ALSO worth noting that the Elves gave the world [[Dark Elves (Warhammer Fantasy)\|emo cock-n-ball torturers]] and the Dwarves [[Chaos Dwarves\|angry short men in a ‘biggest hat contest’]])		The next race created was humanity (<s>in the heart of Africa</s> in the fertile crescent, which wraps around the South Eastern shore of the Mediterranean Sea and a little inland at Syria and Iraq), which combined the magical aptitude of the elves (to a lesser degree) with the durability of the dwarves (to a lesser degree). Humanity's short lifespan with rapid reproduction along with ambition and lust not seen in their elder races combined would enable humans to have time to adapt and overcome anything Chaos could send at them. But humanity was too malleable. While the great ambition and adaptability could be a great strength against Chaos, it also made them more susceptible to the influence of Chaos than elves or dwarfs (as proven later when humans - including Beastmen - make up the majority of Chaos' forces).

	The Old Ones created [[Halflings]] next, although nobody really knows why. They were resistant to mutation but that's about it. Small, frail, cowardly and unassuming, they were an abysmal failure as Halflings aren't really good at much other than cooking and eating. In a way they were the proto-Ogres.		The Old Ones created [[Halflings]] next, although nobody really knows why. They were resistant to mutation but that's about it. Small, frail, cowardly and unassuming, they were an abysmal failure as Halflings aren't really good at much other than cooking and eating. In a way they were the proto-Ogres.

	Various other races were created, more or less filling the gap of both anything added to the game down the road as well as anything fans can come up with. The sky titans were one such race, having the magical aptitude and intelligence of Elves, and the durability of the Dwarfs. However, they were too isolated and too solitary, and were likely just an artistic project. There may have been others, but it is likely that many of these proto-races were wiped out by the Lizardmen or if too much of a failure by the Old Ones themselves, with only the most "stable" being allowed to exist (men, elves, dwarfs).		Various other races were created, more or less filling the gap of both anything added to the game down the road as well as anything fans can come up with. The sky titans were one such race, having the magical aptitude and intelligence of Elves, and the durability of the Dwarfs. However, they were too isolated and too solitary, and were likely just an artistic project. There may have been others, but it is likely that many of these proto-races were wiped out by the Lizardmen or if too much of a failure by the Old Ones themselves, with only the most "stable" being allowed to exist (men, elves, dwarfs).

	Finally, the [[Ogre Kingdoms\|Ogres]] were created by combining the best aspects of ~~Men~~, ~~Dwarfs~~ and ~~Halflings~~. They were highly resistant to Chaos yet still possessing magical talent, having a long lifespan like elves, with a fast reproduction rate they'd be able to outlast Chaos, being highly durable, being able to cooperate with just about any race and quickly adapt to their customs, and finally stubborn enough to not fall to Chaos willingly in most cases. In addition to this, they are able to survive on just about any food, from meat to tree trunks to rocks. As the Old Ones prepared to ~~endow~~ their newest ~~masterpiece~~ with gifts, the Warp Gates collapsed and Chaos entered the world. The Ogres, left with a growing population in a relatively stable environment, were not gifted with any taught culture. As a result, despite being fairly intelligent creatures on par with dwarves, elves or humans, the ogres were not unified, and had to grow as a natural race, unaware of and unwilling to engage in the purpose they were designed for. They thus became tribes of increasing size which spread out across the world and served every faction (including Chaos and its servants) as mercenaries~~. It's also worth mentioning that the Old Ones couldn't work out a kink in the ogre design present in even their halfling forebears, that being their [[Tyranids\|enormous appetites]]~~.		Finally, the [[Ogre Kingdoms\|Ogres]] were created by combining the best aspects of Man, Elf, Dwarf and Halfling. They were highly resistant to Chaos yet still possessing magical talent, having a long lifespan like elves, with a fast reproduction rate they'd be able to outlast Chaos, being highly durable, being able to cooperate with just about any race and quickly adapt to their customs, and finally stubborn enough to not fall to Chaos willingly in most cases. In addition to this, they are able to survive on just about any food, from meat to tree trunks to rocks. Their only drawback was their [[Tyranids\|enormous appetites]]. As the Old Ones prepared to educate their newest masterpieces, endow them with gifts and try to fix that kink, the Warp Gates collapsed and Chaos entered the world. The Ogres, left with a growing population in a relatively stable environment, were not gifted with any taught culture. As a result, despite being fairly intelligent creatures on par with dwarves, elves or humans, the ogres were not unified, and had to grow as a natural race, unaware of and unwilling to engage in the purpose they were designed for. They thus became tribes of increasing size which spread out across the world and served every faction (including Chaos and its servants) as mercenaries.

	Why the Old Ones never looked at their failed creations and thought about putting them together in a lizardmen style caste system is unknown. Dwarfs as the industrialists, artillery and infantry, Elves as artisans, scholars, cavalry, archers and mages, Ogres as the shock troops and heavy lifters, halflings as cooks, and humans to fill in anywhere they were needed and provide individual great heroes would have worked out perfectly.		Why the Old Ones never looked at their failed creations and thought about putting them together in a lizardmen-style caste system is unknown. Dwarfs as the industrialists, artillery and infantry, Elves as artisans, scholars, cavalry, archers and mages, Ogres as the shock troops and heavy lifters, halflings as cooks, and humans to fill in anywhere they were needed and provide individual great heroes would have worked out perfectly.

	Instead, Chaos ran amok as the Four and their allies got off their collective asses, gained followers and physical influence in the world, and started fucking shit up. It's worth noting there's a subtle disconnect from 40K in that Chaos and the Old Ones were there ''all along'', <s>as Fantasy Chaos has no Genesis</s> true, kinda, but there's less metaphysical difference between the two settings than at first glance because, you know, warpfuckery; different worlds, same warp, so a few of the rules are different (what rules? It's the fucking ''warp''), same Gods, too. As for the "emergence of the Gods" in 40K, they ''do'' coalesce psychically but also aren't bound by the rules of time (cf. the 40K Old Ones were against Chaos ''way'' before any of them were said to be "born"; and though [[Slaanesh]] is the edgy youngster "born" fairly recently it has been stated canonically to have influenced events ''before'' the Fall of the Eldar in 40K; it's probably the same for the others--imagine the time Tzeentch is having.) The exact nature of the Old Ones, the gods, and how the world got to where it is now is a subject of [[skub\|endless debate]] and conjecture among fans.		Instead, Chaos ran amok as the Four and their allies got off their collective asses, gained followers and physical influence in the world, and started fucking shit up. It's worth noting there's a subtle disconnect from 40K in that Chaos and the Old Ones were there ''all along'', <s>as Fantasy Chaos has no Genesis</s> true, kinda, but there's less metaphysical difference between the two settings than at first glance because, you know, warpfuckery; different worlds, same warp, so a few of the rules are different (what rules? It's the fucking ''warp''), same Gods, too. As for the "emergence of the Gods" in 40K, they ''do'' coalesce psychically but also aren't bound by the rules of time (cf. the 40K Old Ones were against Chaos ''way'' before any of them were said to be "born"; and though [[Slaanesh]] is the edgy youngster "born" fairly recently it has been stated canonically to have influenced events ''before'' the Fall of the Eldar in 40K; it's probably the same for the others--imagine the time Tzeentch is having.) The exact nature of the Old Ones, the gods, and how the world got to where it is now is a subject of [[skub\|endless debate]] and conjecture among fans.

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	The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.		The Eldar in particular were one of the first races the old ones uplifted (or created, fluff varies), and due to their absurd reproductive capabilities (basically space rabbits) Were both technologically on par with the old ones, and the most populous race in the galaxy after only a few centuries.

	It's basically impossible to talk what went down next without talking about ~~What~~ happened with the [[Necrontyr]]. The Necrontyr had grown up beneath a wretched sun that poured radiation upon them (this radiation may in fact have been Star Vampire shit or merely attracted them, more on them in a bit), so their lives were, without exception, incredibly short (although it's not clear ''how'' short). Nevertheless, they managed to scrape together a small interstellar empire, with different star systems ruled by different [[Necron Dynasty\|dynasties]]. However, with the First War of Secession, the empire fell into infighting, as the dynasties violently jockeyed for power.		It's basically impossible to talk what went down next without talking about what happened with the [[Necrontyr]]. The Necrontyr had grown up beneath a wretched sun that poured radiation upon them (this radiation may in fact have been Star Vampire shit or merely attracted them, more on them in a bit), so their lives were, without exception, incredibly short (although it's not clear ''how'' short). Nevertheless, they managed to scrape together a small interstellar empire, with different star systems ruled by different [[Necron Dynasty\|dynasties]]. However, with the First War of Secession, the empire fell into infighting, as the dynasties violently jockeyed for power.

	The [[Triarch]] decided a war was just what the doctor ordered to keep the Necrontyr together, and so declared war on the Old Ones, claiming the ''casus belli'' of "you didn't share immortality with us poor, pitiful, mortal creatures." Though lore also says they just wanted medical help so they wouldn’t be in constant pain. The Old Ones refused. This was, as would be expected, a popular cause, and started the so-called [[War in Heaven]]. Why some races were gifted with immortality and others not is unclear, but is probably down to what their particular purpose was (one tenuous but curious connection between the [[Old Ones]] and the [[Cabal]] alluded to above is that the Cabal can apparently create [[Perpetual]]s. If there is a connection, and there are some other hints as well, then the Cabal is the Old Ones, or some vestige of a coalition of immortals appointed by them, trying to un[[Nurgle\|fuck]] the [[Slaanesh\|fuckery]] that they [[Khorne\|fucked up]] the [[Tzeentch\|fucking warp]] with by screwing over the only being Chaos is genuinely so scared shitless of they cannot even say his mere title without agony and so just call him “The Anathema”.)		The [[Triarch]] decided a war was just what the doctor ordered to keep the Necrontyr together, and so declared war on the Old Ones, claiming the ''casus belli'' of "you didn't share immortality with us poor, pitiful, mortal creatures." Though lore also says they just wanted medical help so they wouldn’t be in constant pain. The Old Ones refused. This was, as would be expected, a popular cause, and started the so-called [[War in Heaven]]. Why some races were gifted with immortality and others not is unclear, but is probably down to what their particular purpose was (one tenuous but curious connection between the [[Old Ones]] and the [[Cabal]] alluded to above is that the Cabal can apparently create [[Perpetual]]s. If there is a connection, and there are some other hints as well, then the Cabal is the Old Ones, or some vestige of a coalition of immortals appointed by them, trying to un[[Nurgle\|fuck]] the [[Slaanesh\|fuckery]] that they [[Khorne\|fucked up]] the [[Tzeentch\|fucking warp]] with by screwing over the only being Chaos is genuinely so scared shitless of they cannot even say his mere title without agony and so just call him “The Anathema”.)