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	* The first avatar of the Omnissiah was an ancient Terran known to the Techpriests as Bill of the Gates, named they believe for opening the gates of knowledge. {{BLAM}} {{BLAM\|HERESY! While one of the avatars of the Omnissiah, Bill of the Gates was certainly not the first.}} We all know that the true avatar was Linus of the Torvalds.		* The first avatar of the Omnissiah was an ancient Terran known to the Techpriests as Bill of the Gates, named they believe for opening the gates of knowledge. {{BLAM}} {{BLAM\|HERESY! While one of the avatars of the Omnissiah, Bill of the Gates was certainly not the first.}} We all know that the true avatar was Linus of the Torvalds.
	** The REAL first avatar of the Omnissiah was known by the denomer of Charles Babbage, theories abound as to why he was called that.		** The REAL first avatar of the Omnissiah was known by the denomer of Charles Babbage, theories abound as to why he was called that.
	*** ~~False.~~ Babbage was the last of the prophets, who brought forth the physical form of the mind in the machine, the original host in gleaming brass. The first avatar is she Ada, who netted in the spirit of the machine in a lace of love. For is not the gathering and interpretation of information in indexed form and ~~inorferly~~ means and ways, "programming"?		*** Correction: Babbage was the last of the prophets, the one who brought forth the physical form of the mind in the machine, the original host in gleaming brass and complex mechanisms. The first avatar is she Ada, who netted in the spirit of the machine in a lace of love. For is not the gathering and interpretation of information in indexed form and in orderly means and ways, "programming"?
	* The first [[Heretek]] was a man named Richard Matthew Stallman, who glorified heretical research ("hacking"), which is one of the basic activities of the [[Dark Mechanicus]].		* The first [[Heretek]] was a man named Richard Matthew Stallman, who glorified heretical research ("hacking"), which is one of the basic activities of the [[Dark Mechanicus]].
	* The oldest tech relic on Mars, hidden deep inside the catacombs of Olympus Mons, is a strange disc titled 'Friends season three, disc two, episodes six to ten'. Obviously this precious creation is a gift of divine importance, and is thus guarded fiercely by a crack legion of Skitarii, with only the Fabricator-General of Mars allowed regular access!		* The oldest tech relic on Mars, hidden deep inside the catacombs of Olympus Mons, is a strange disc titled 'Friends season three, disc two, episodes six to ten'. Obviously this precious creation is a gift of divine importance, and is thus guarded fiercely by a crack legion of Skitarii, with only the Fabricator-General of Mars allowed regular access!

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	===Theory three: Both theories one and two===		===Theory three: Both theories one and two===
	Some versions of the myth tend to separate them in two, with the Void Dragon being the Machine God, and the Emperor being the Omnissiah who "tamed" him. It's unclear, really. A surviving [[Men_of_Iron#The_Present\|Man of Iron]] also posited that they are two beings but the Emperor is not the Omnissiah.		Some versions of the myth tend to separate them in two, with the Void Dragon being the Machine God, and the Emperor being the Omnissiah who "tamed" him. It's unclear, really. Some people believe the emperor copied his memories into the void dragon therefore making a digital copy of himself or at least adding a portion of his memories to the completely inhuman ideas of the dragon enough to be able to speak with it and "tame" it. A surviving [[Men_of_Iron#The_Present\|Man of Iron]] also posited that they are two related beings but the Emperor is not the Omnissiah.

	===Theory four: Chaos Undivided===		===Theory four: Chaos Undivided===

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Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind

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	The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its hostile denizens who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a blinding golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and destroys those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp = Big-E. The blinding aura, protection of loyal humans, and anti-warpfuckery just kinda adds further credence to the theory.		The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its hostile denizens who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a blinding golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and destroys those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp = Big-E. The blinding aura, protection of loyal humans, and anti-warpfuckery just kinda adds further credence to the theory.

	For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, ~~the There~~ is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.		For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, there is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.

	Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight. Arkhan Land and Zagreus Kane are two other easy examples to make of venerable individuals at the highest levels of authority within the AdMec who wholeheartedly consider Big-E to be the Omnissiah.		Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight. Arkhan Land and Zagreus Kane are two other easy examples to make of venerable individuals at the highest levels of authority within the AdMec who wholeheartedly consider Big-E to be the Omnissiah.

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	===Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind===		===Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind===
	The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its ~~predators~~ who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp ~~+ humanity~~ = Big-E.		The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its hostile denizens who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a blinding golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and destroys those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp = Big-E. The blinding aura, protection of loyal humans, and anti-warpfuckery just kinda adds further credence to the theory.

	For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.		For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.

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Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind

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	The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.		The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.

	For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.		For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.

	Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight.		Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight. Arkhan Land and Zagreus Kane are two other easy examples to make of venerable individuals at the highest levels of authority within the AdMec who wholeheartedly consider Big-E to be the Omnissiah.

	===Theory Two: Void Dragon===		===Theory Two: Void Dragon===

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Theories of true identity

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	===Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind===		===Theory One: God-Emperor of Mankind===
	The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[~~Belasarius~~ Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.		The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.

	For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.		For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.

	Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[~~Belasarius~~ Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight.		Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belisarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight.

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	The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]]. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are ~~many~~ individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.		The majority of tech-priests and other Adeptus Mechanicus personnel within all echelons and stratas of rank believe that the [[God-Emperor of Mankind]] is the Omnissiah, or at least a form of him. While there are always outliers and different schools of thought, especially in such a populous faction as the AdMec, it's worth remembering that the belief in Big-E as Omnissiah is by far in a way the predominant consensus of the organization as a whole; as in, probably north of 90% hold this view. These include the tech-priests who remained loyal to the [[Imperium of Man]] during the [[Horus Heresy]], as well as their modern day contemporaries, all the way up to [[Belasarius Cawl]] himself. The Adeptus Mechanicus officially holds this view, and it is used to pacify the more zealous members of the [[Ecclesiarchy]] and [[Inquisition]] who doubt the Mechanicus' loyalty, though there are individuals [[Heresy\|who believe they are separate.]] This logically leads to conflict between the two bodies and it is something that will never truly be satisfied by either side. The novel ''Titanicus'' described documents from the Heresy era that purported to prove that the Emps and the Omnissiah are not the same. However, these documents were tampered with to an unknown degree by Tolemy, master of the archives, to facilitate his bid for power. It is unknown how much of the documents were factual. The novel ''Titandeath'' may provide some support for this theory as well; the short version is that near the end of the novel, with the death of the protagonist, her soul is passing on into the warp, only to be beset by its predators who begin to circle her. Right before the predators can strike her though, they are dispatched by a golden presence bearing the emblem of the Machine God, which dispels the darkness and those that reside within it, and because she had remained loyal even unto death, the protagonist's soul is welcomed into its domain (and by extension, it's protection). Draw your own conclusions. It is obviously not definitive proof, in and of itself, but it does at the very least provide some interesting food for thought. But to be fair, let's be honest: it's usually a safe bet that, for all intents and purposes, gold + warp + humanity = Big-E.

	For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.		For those wondering, this theory was NOT pulled out of someone's ass to shut the Inquisition up (even though it obviously does smooth things over on that front). For one thing, the There is a common school of thought in the Mechanicus that organics are technically machines (human brains are used in place of computers, after all), just really inefficient ones. There are many "cyborgs" in the Mechanicus that don't have a scrap of metal in their bodies, just transplanted organs. The Emperor, being the perfect human, is the logical conclusion of this claptrap. It helps that the Mechanicus does indeed view humans as superior to all other life and divine every bit as much as the Ecclesiarchy. So, a human who is not a cyborg but is still a perfect machine would be, to them, the greatest epitome of man and machine as concepts coming together as one.

			Furthermore, as mentioned above, the likes of [[Belasarius Cawl]] himself are among the most adamant of true believers in the Emperor as the Omnissiah. Though one's mileage [[skub\|may vary on the opinion]] of the man himself, especially amongst those of us here on [[/tg/]], you can't really make the claim in good faith that Cawl's assessment on this matter doesn't carry a lot of weight.

	===Theory Two: Void Dragon===		===Theory Two: Void Dragon===