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Why is this so effective?

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	== Why is this so [[Rage\|effective]]? ==		== Why is this so [[Rage\|effective]]? ==
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	* To 3.5e fans, this basically renders levels meaningless since the DCs just keep rising arbitrarily as you get stronger.		* To 3.5e fans, this basically renders levels meaningless since the DCs just keep rising arbitrarily as you get stronger.
	* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.		* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.
	* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.		* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from [[Rule Zero]]?", which starts an even nastier argument.

	The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from people thinking it is an absolute scale of difficulty rather than relative. The designers framed things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!) and because the numbers are in your face obvious people complained about a number treadmill.		The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from people thinking it is an absolute scale of difficulty rather than relative. The designers framed things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!) and because the numbers are in your face obvious people complained about a number treadmill.

	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==

108.167.51.181 at 03:06, 30 June 2019

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	* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.		* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.

	The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from people thinking it is an absolute scale of difficulty rather than relative. The designers framed things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!) and because the numbers are in your face obvious ~~the nerds whined~~ about a treadmill.		The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from people thinking it is an absolute scale of difficulty rather than relative. The designers framed things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!) and because the numbers are in your face obvious people complained about a number treadmill.

	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==

108.167.51.181 at 03:04, 30 June 2019

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	* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.		* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.

	The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from. The designers ~~tried to frame~~ things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!)~~. And~~ because ~~they knew nerds were nerds, who masturbate to~~ the ~~rules as written and~~ are ~~disgusted at~~ the ~~idea of fun over winning, they gave~~ a ~~pretty badly thought out table. A rather better approach would have been to not have any set DC, and for the DM to pick whatever would be dramatic at any given point~~.		The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from people thinking it is an absolute scale of difficulty rather than relative. The designers framed things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!) and because the numbers are in your face obvious the nerds whined about a treadmill.

	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==

1d4chan>SirSprinkles: /* Why is this so effective? */

2018-11-11T21:11:27Z

Why is this so effective?

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	* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.		* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.

	The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are ~~heros~~, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from. The designers tried to frame things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!). And because they knew nerds were nerds, who masturbate to the rules as written and are disgusted at the idea of fun over winning, they gave a pretty badly thought out table. A rather better approach would have been to not have any set DC, and for the DM to pick whatever would be dramatic at any given point.		The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously, there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heroes, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from. The designers tried to frame things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!). And because they knew nerds were nerds, who masturbate to the rules as written and are disgusted at the idea of fun over winning, they gave a pretty badly thought out table. A rather better approach would have been to not have any set DC, and for the DM to pick whatever would be dramatic at any given point.

	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==

1d4chan>Biggus Berrus at 10:51, 13 September 2017

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	~~[[Category:Dungeons & Dragons]]~~

	Page 42 (and its copy on page 61) in the [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|D&D 4e]] rules refers to a notorious passage often cited in [[Trolling\|D&D edition wars]].		Page 42 (and its copy on page 61) in the [[Dungeons & Dragons 4th Edition\|D&D 4e]] rules refers to a notorious passage often cited in [[Trolling\|D&D edition wars]].

	== What it says ==		== What it says ==

	It's Chapter 3, "Combat Encounters," starting the section on "Actions the Rules Don't Cover."		It's Chapter 3, "Combat Encounters," starting the section on "Actions the Rules Don't Cover."
	<blockquote>''Your presence as the Dungeon Master is what makes D&D such a great game. You make it possible for the players to try anything they can imagine. That means it's your job to resolve unusual actions when they players try them.</blockquote>		<blockquote>''Your presence as the Dungeon Master is what makes D&D such a great game. You make it possible for the players to try anything they can imagine. That means it's your job to resolve unusual actions when they players try them.</blockquote>
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	== Why is this so [[Rage\|effective]]? ==		== Why is this so [[Rage\|effective]]? ==
	{{Dnd-~~skub~~}}		{{Dnd-stub}}
	* To 3.5e fans, this basically renders levels meaningless since the DCs just keep rising arbitrarily as you get stronger.		* To 3.5e fans, this basically renders levels meaningless since the DCs just keep rising arbitrarily as you get stronger.
	* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.		* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.
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	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==

	In the "official errata to the Dungeon Master's Guide" (July 2008). They lowered the difficulty classes for Easy/Medium/Difficult to 5/10/15 with +1.5/+2/+2 per 3 levels. This doesn't actually fix the real problem here, and actually makes it worse (now the effective DCs ''rise'' every level). You're best off just ignoring it.		In the "official errata to the Dungeon Master's Guide" (July 2008). They lowered the difficulty classes for Easy/Medium/Difficult to 5/10/15 with +1.5/+2/+2 per 3 levels. This doesn't actually fix the real problem here, and actually makes it worse (now the effective DCs ''rise'' every level). You're best off just ignoring it.

	== The Ultimate Question? ==		== The Ultimate Question? ==

	Some people who notice the page number realize what is the true ultimate question.		Some people who notice the page number realize what is the true ultimate question.

130.88.162.58: /* The Ultimate Question? */

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The Ultimate Question?

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	Some people who notice the page number realize what is the true ultimate question.		Some people who notice the page number realize what is the true ultimate question.

	Q: What will make the most fa/tg/~~guys~~ rage?		Q: What will make the most fa/tg/uys rage?

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86.161.119.17 at 21:47, 23 July 2014

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	* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.		* To 4e fans, this is basically just the same scale 3.5e used for most DCs, but with less eyeballing.
	* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.		* Every now and then some chucklefuck asks "how is this different from Rule Zero?", which starts an even nastier argument.

			The problem comes from trying to express an abstract idea in a mechanical way. Obviously there needs to be the possibility of failure for challenging tasks to create a sense of tension. But the players are heros, and as such tend to get really good at things, and a lot of things that would be 'hard' to a novice become trivial to them. So the idea of 'easy/medium/hard' really means 'easy by the standards of the character at this point in their development'. And that's where the problem comes from. The designers tried to frame things in a way that seemed reasonable, so that leveled up characters don't just breeze through everything and there remains the important sense of dramatic tension, especially important for dealing with checks that happen against a time limit (pick the lock before the monsters catch up!). And because they knew nerds were nerds, who masturbate to the rules as written and are disgusted at the idea of fun over winning, they gave a pretty badly thought out table. A rather better approach would have been to not have any set DC, and for the DM to pick whatever would be dramatic at any given point.

	== Damage Control ==		== Damage Control ==