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	In [[13th Age]], Paladins are similar to how they've always been, though as a "simple" class, their depth is considerably limited when compared to other classes. Their sole class feature is Smite Evil, which is a special attack that deals +1d12 damage to the attack (or half on a miss). This sounds badass on the outset except for one major issue: This damage doesn't scale without spending a whole feat chain on it. Considering the few feat slots any character gets, it results in forcing a Paladin into a conundrum between either being a better healer/tank or that improved smite.		In [[13th Age]], Paladins are similar to how they've always been, though as a "simple" class, their depth is considerably limited when compared to other classes. Their sole class feature is Smite Evil, which is a special attack that deals +1d12 damage to the attack (or half on a miss). This sounds badass on the outset except for one major issue: This damage doesn't scale without spending a whole feat chain on it. Considering the few feat slots any character gets, it results in forcing a Paladin into a conundrum between either being a better healer/tank or that improved smite.

	They have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and Cleric domains, they can get a genuine Mark (though no off-turn damage), the option of Lay on Hands to feed others your healing surges~~, they~~ can also choose to be goody two shoes or dastardly bad ~~guys~~ (yes, there are two mutually exclusive Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).		They have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and Cleric domains, they can get a genuine Mark (though no off-turn damage), the option of Lay on Hands to feed others your healing surges. They can also choose to be goody two shoes or dastardly bad guy (yes, there are two mutually exclusive Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not). If you pick up the "Dark Alleys & Twisted Paths" 3PP book, you can even have these talents (as well as the others included in the splat; there's quite a few) add special riders to the Smite for an added amount of utility.

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	===Pathfinder===		===Pathfinder===
	[[File:Seelah.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Seelah, Pathfinder's Iconic Paladin/Champion]]		[[File:Seelah.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|Seelah, Pathfinder's Iconic Paladin/Champion]]
	[[Pathfinder]] made a number of mechanical improvements (''beefy'' ones, Pathfinder paladins are ''badass''), but mostly left them alone conceptually. Now they cast spells off charisma rather than wisdom ([[MAD\|and praise Sarenrae for that]]. One unusual consequence of this is that thanks to high natural will save and adding charisma to all saves, Paladins are now free to [[Stupid Good\|dump ~~wisdom~~]] as low as it can go.), and their Smites, on top of granting better defensive and offensive bonuses, ''keep Smiting'' until they either Smite something else or the Smitee is dead. (Sure, it can ''theoretically'' run out in twenty-four hours, but almost nothing suffering from a Smite is going to live that long). The Code of Conduct was also softened a little to allow paladins to more easily be team players and not 100% stick-in-the-mud party cops. One problem, if you can call it that, is that the paladin is ''too'' specialized (even with Pathfinder's improvements he still won't break tier 4): If the DM keeps throwing evil outsiders or undead into the campaign as [[BBEG]]s a modestly-well-prepared paladin will be able tear through them like a holy-powered buzzsaw without a lot of effort, since he deals better "burst" damage than almost any of them and has great saves and immunity to shit like ''mummy rot'', so he won't be afraid to charge in and [[rip and tear]] when another class would be adverse to taking risks around one. If the final boss keeps getting one-shotted by a well-timed Smite Evil ''litany of righteousness'' power attack/deadly aim combo, it may very well be time to invest in "moral complexity." (Read: throw some constructs or wild animals at him.). Despite this the Paladin still struggles to be worthwhile outside his niche. A major reason for this is that Paladins have only 2+int skill points per level, being the only player class in the system aside from Fighter to have only 2 skill points without getting at least 6th level spells. Their class list is at least much better than the Fighter’s, and they do have some spellcasting and healing for out of combat utility.		[[Pathfinder]] made a number of mechanical improvements (''beefy'' ones, Pathfinder paladins are ''badass''), but mostly left them alone conceptually. Now they cast spells off charisma rather than wisdom ([[MAD\|and praise Sarenrae for that]]. One unusual consequence of this is that thanks to high natural will save and adding charisma to all saves, Paladins are now free to [[Stupid Good\|dump Wisdom]] as low as it can go), and their Smites, on top of granting better defensive and offensive bonuses, ''keep Smiting'' until they either Smite something else or the Smitee is dead. (Sure, it can ''theoretically'' run out in twenty-four hours, but almost nothing suffering from a Smite is going to live that long). The Code of Conduct was also softened a little to allow paladins to more easily be team players and not 100% stick-in-the-mud party cops. One problem, if you can call it that, is that the paladin is ''too'' specialized (even with Pathfinder's improvements he still won't break tier 4): If the DM keeps throwing evil outsiders or undead into the campaign as [[BBEG]]s a modestly-well-prepared paladin will be able tear through them like a holy-powered buzzsaw without a lot of effort, since he deals better "burst" damage than almost any of them and has great saves and immunity to shit like ''mummy rot'', so he won't be afraid to charge in and [[rip and tear]] when another class would be adverse to taking risks around one. If the final boss keeps getting one-shotted by a well-timed Smite Evil ''litany of righteousness'' power attack/deadly aim combo, it may very well be time to invest in "moral complexity." (Read: throw some constructs or wild animals at him.). Despite this the Paladin still struggles to be worthwhile outside his niche. A major reason for this is that Paladins have only 2+int skill points per level, being the only player class in the system aside from Fighter to have only 2 skill points without getting at least 6th level spells. Their class list is at least much better than the Fighter’s, and they do have some spellcasting and healing for out of combat utility.

	Thanks to their variety of class abilities that can be traded away, a Paladin has some of the most varied archetypes in the game, second only to [[Monk]]. These range from simple (Divine Hunter, which trades melee abilities for ranged ones) to "free planar ally and more casting" (Sacred Servant, which can shoot a Paladin up to tier 2 if they worship a deity that gives a good planar allies and tier 3 even if they give something lame like elementals).		Thanks to their variety of class abilities that can be traded away, a Paladin has some of the most varied archetypes in the game, second only to [[Monk]]. These range from simple (Divine Hunter, which trades melee abilities for ranged ones) to "free planar ally and more casting" (Sacred Servant, which can shoot a Paladin up to tier 2 if they worship a deity that gives a good planar allies and tier 3 even if they give something lame like elementals).

			It wasn't until the "Antihero's Handbook" that there was a paladin archetype that worked on the very underserved niche of fallen Paladins in the Vindictive Bastard. This archetype sacrifices all the divine power of the Paladin for a bigger focus on Teamwork feats, being able to benefit from them without needing an ally to also share it in the same way as an [[Inquisitor (Pathfinder)\|Inquisitor]], and loses out on Charisma's utility. Smite remains, benefiting the most by now working on anything that harms the former paladin or their party.

	===Pathfinder 2nd Edition===		===Pathfinder 2nd Edition===

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	===13th Age===		===13th Age===
	In 13th Age, Paladins are similar to how they've always been, though as a "simple" class, their depth is considerably limited when compared to other classes. Their sole class feature is Smite Evil, which is a special attack that deals +1d12 damage to the attack (or half on a miss). This sounds badass on the outset except for one major issue: This damage doesn't scale without spending a whole feat chain on it. Considering the few feat slots any character gets, it results in forcing a Paladin into a conundrum between either being a better healer/tank or that improved smite.		In [[13th Age]], Paladins are similar to how they've always been, though as a "simple" class, their depth is considerably limited when compared to other classes. Their sole class feature is Smite Evil, which is a special attack that deals +1d12 damage to the attack (or half on a miss). This sounds badass on the outset except for one major issue: This damage doesn't scale without spending a whole feat chain on it. Considering the few feat slots any character gets, it results in forcing a Paladin into a conundrum between either being a better healer/tank or that improved smite.

	They have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and Cleric domains, they can get a genuine Mark (though no off-turn damage), the option of Lay on Hands to feed others your healing surges, they can also choose to be goody two shoes or dastardly bad guys (yes, there are two mutually exclusive Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).		They have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and Cleric domains, they can get a genuine Mark (though no off-turn damage), the option of Lay on Hands to feed others your healing surges, they can also choose to be goody two shoes or dastardly bad guys (yes, there are two mutually exclusive Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).

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	===13th Age===		===13th Age===
	In 13th Age, Paladins are similar to how they've always been, ~~they have~~ Smite Evil, ~~and~~ have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and a Cleric ~~domain~~, they can get a genuine Mark, they can also choose to be goody two shoes or ~~dasterdly~~ bad guys (yes, there are ~~Two~~ Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).		In 13th Age, Paladins are similar to how they've always been, though as a "simple" class, their depth is considerably limited when compared to other classes. Their sole class feature is Smite Evil, which is a special attack that deals +1d12 damage to the attack (or half on a miss). This sounds badass on the outset except for one major issue: This damage doesn't scale without spending a whole feat chain on it. Considering the few feat slots any character gets, it results in forcing a Paladin into a conundrum between either being a better healer/tank or that improved smite.

			They have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and Cleric domains, they can get a genuine Mark (though no off-turn damage), the option of Lay on Hands to feed others your healing surges, they can also choose to be goody two shoes or dastardly bad guys (yes, there are two mutually exclusive Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).

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	The ''Essentials'' books later gave the Paladin two variant classes: The Cavalier (a very simplified paladin that pretty much exemplified the stereotypical "Essentials Class") and the [[Blackguard]] (A sort of bizarro-paladin that went more offensive and gained powers from their vices without becoming completely evil).		The ''Essentials'' books later gave the Paladin two variant classes: The Cavalier (a very simplified paladin that pretty much exemplified the stereotypical "Essentials Class") and the [[Blackguard]] (A sort of bizarro-paladin that went more offensive and gained powers from their vices without becoming completely evil).

			===13th Age===
			In 13th Age, Paladins are similar to how they've always been, they have Smite Evil, and have talents that let them poach Cleric Spells and a Cleric domain, they can get a genuine Mark, they can also choose to be goody two shoes or dasterdly bad guys (yes, there are Two Talents built off the idea of your character being an asshole or not).

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	*[[Story:Holy Opposites\|Holy Opposites]], a lengthy novel about two Paladins.		*[[Story:Holy Opposites\|Holy Opposites]], a lengthy novel about two Paladins.
	*[[Sameo]], a short story about a Paladin who dies awesomely.		*[[Sameo]], a short story about a Paladin who dies awesomely.
			*[[Templar]], their real-life inspiration.
	*[[Lawful stupid]], a particularly annoying way to play a Paladin.		*[[Lawful stupid]], a particularly annoying way to play a Paladin.
	*[[Space Marines]], who are like [[grimdark]] Paladins '''[[Warhammer 40,000 \| IIIIN SPAAAACE]]'''.		*[[Space Marines]], who are like [[grimdark]] Paladins '''[[Warhammer 40,000 \| IIIIN SPAAAACE]]'''.