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The Bad

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	===The Bad===		===The Bad===
	*Maneuvers have been nerfed greatly, killing all the tricks martials had. Now you need to uber specialize to get them functional, as it takes more feats to get the same or less benefit than the 3.5 equivalent and they rely on a busted CMB vs. CMD that never took into account that player characters gain HD slower than monsters.		*Maneuvers have been nerfed greatly, killing all the tricks martials had. Now you need to uber specialize to get them functional, as it takes more feats to get the same or less benefit than the 3.5 equivalent and they rely on a busted CMB vs. CMD that never took into account that player characters gain HD slower than monsters.
	*A lot of spells that were ignored because they~~'re~~ were just slightly worse than another spell have remained unnerfed, and many game breaking spells weren't touched at all. Most useless spells are still useless.		*A lot of spells that were ignored because they were just slightly worse than another spell have remained unnerfed, and many game breaking spells weren't touched at all. Most useless spells are still useless.
	*Except for Paladin and core only Bard, the fixes aren't extensive enough to raise anyone's tier, and martial caster power disparity is still a big thing. Core only Monk is still terrible for anything other than a dip.		*Except for Paladin and core only Bard, the fixes aren't extensive enough to raise anyone's tier, and martial caster power disparity is still a big thing. Core only Monk is still terrible for anything other than a dip.
	*Power Attack is easier to use, but not as useful. Instead of being able to trade any amount of accuracy for an equal amount of damage, you're locked to a fixed amount dependent on your BAB. The better ratio of the trade for two handed weapons remains untouched and the penalty for using it with light weapons has been removed, so it's still a pretty good feat despite this.		*Power Attack is easier to use, but not as useful. Instead of being able to trade any amount of accuracy for an equal amount of damage, you're locked to a fixed amount dependent on your BAB. The better ratio of the trade for two handed weapons remains untouched and the penalty for using it with light weapons has been removed, so it's still a pretty good feat despite this.

1d4chan>FlintTD at 21:32, 23 January 2023

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	{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|Pathfinder Team}}		{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|Pathfinder Team}}

	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to [[grognard\|stick to the old edition]], but realized it still needed to be fixed.

	Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.		Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.

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Links: Replaced Dead Link

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	* [http://pathfinderwiki.com Pathfinder Wiki], because everything has a wiki these days.		* [http://pathfinderwiki.com Pathfinder Wiki], because everything has a wiki these days.
	* [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ Pathfinder SRD]: Without the hassle of getting the books. Also includes plenty of third-party material, chiefly [[Psionics]] and [[Book of Nine Swords\|Path of War]]		* [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ Pathfinder SRD]: Without the hassle of getting the books. Also includes plenty of third-party material, chiefly [[Psionics]] and [[Book of Nine Swords\|Path of War]]
	* [~~http~~://www.~~archivesofnethys~~.com/~~Default.aspx~~ Archives of Nethys]: The SRD for the system. Once a great fanmade alternative to the official SRD, Paizo decided they couldn't be bothered to maintain the official one anymore and hired the owner to make it the official one.		* [https://www.aonprd.com/ Archives of Nethys]: The SRD for the system. Once a great fanmade alternative to the official SRD, Paizo decided they couldn't be bothered to maintain the official one anymore and hired the owner to make it the official one.

	[[Category:Roleplaying]]		[[Category:Roleplaying]]

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva at 19:00, 6 August 2022

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	{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|[[Pathfinder Team]]}}		{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|Pathfinder Team}}

	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva at 18:51, 6 August 2022

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	{{Disambiguation\|Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|[[Pathfinder Team]]}}		{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|[[Pathfinder Team]]}}

	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva at 18:50, 6 August 2022

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	~~For the~~ weeb infantry unit~~, see~~ [[Pathfinder Team~~\|this page~~]]
			{{Disambiguation\|Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|[[Pathfinder Team]]}}

	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.

1d4chan>Atlas84: /* Notable Changes from 3.5 to PF1E */ Changed to headings.

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Notable Changes from 3.5 to PF1E: Changed to headings.

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	An extensive [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?136890-The-3-5-Pathfinder-Handbook guide] exists walking players through most of these changes, but highlights in core include the following.		An extensive [http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?136890-The-3-5-Pathfinder-Handbook guide] exists walking players through most of these changes, but highlights in core include the following.

	The ~~good:~~		===The Good===
	[[File:3.5 thrives.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:3.5 thrives.jpg\|thumb]]
	*Most things that cause experience points to be lost have been axed, as this was deemed a massive pain in the ass to keep track of everyone having different experience totals, particularly once everyone was different level and got different experience rewards. Most of the time this takes the form of replacing XP costs with GP costs, and changing level loss to negative levels.		*Most things that cause experience points to be lost have been axed, as this was deemed a massive pain in the ass to keep track of everyone having different experience totals, particularly once everyone was different level and got different experience rewards. Most of the time this takes the form of replacing XP costs with GP costs, and changing level loss to negative levels.
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	*Everything except proper names of setting details is released under the [[Open Gaming License]].		*Everything except proper names of setting details is released under the [[Open Gaming License]].

	The ~~bad:~~		===The Bad===
	*Maneuvers have been nerfed greatly, killing all the tricks martials had. Now you need to uber specialize to get them functional, as it takes more feats to get the same or less benefit than the 3.5 equivalent and they rely on a busted CMB vs. CMD that never took into account that player characters gain HD slower than monsters.		*Maneuvers have been nerfed greatly, killing all the tricks martials had. Now you need to uber specialize to get them functional, as it takes more feats to get the same or less benefit than the 3.5 equivalent and they rely on a busted CMB vs. CMD that never took into account that player characters gain HD slower than monsters.
	*A lot of spells that were ignored because they're were just slightly worse than another spell have remained unnerfed, and many game breaking spells weren't touched at all. Most useless spells are still useless.		*A lot of spells that were ignored because they're were just slightly worse than another spell have remained unnerfed, and many game breaking spells weren't touched at all. Most useless spells are still useless.
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	*Intimidate no longer stacks with itself, ridding the system of yet another trick mundane characters could use.		*Intimidate no longer stacks with itself, ridding the system of yet another trick mundane characters could use.

	Other/Mixed:		===Other/Mixed===
	*Since character creation and advancement rules weren't covered by the OGL, the experience chart, wealth by level numbers, and point buy are all different.		*Since character creation and advancement rules weren't covered by the OGL, the experience chart, wealth by level numbers, and point buy are all different.
	*Ability score increasing items are now locked to the belt slot and headband slot. This is good for most classes, since fun items don't have to worry about occupying a slot that may have a mandatory item. Unfortunately it hurts MAD characters even more, as they need to pay even more to boost their ability scores.		*Ability score increasing items are now locked to the belt slot and headband slot. This is good for most classes, since fun items don't have to worry about occupying a slot that may have a mandatory item. Unfortunately it hurts MAD characters even more, as they need to pay even more to boost their ability scores.

2601:249:8200:5A40:EDD0:94F4:370F:F6AE at 14:21, 11 June 2022

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	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.

	Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.		Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.

	Noted for the mishmash campaign world (which contains elements [[Blood_Ravens\|lifted]] from pretty much everything, ever, from real-world history to crappy pulp Sci-Fi to [[Lord of the Rings\|LotR]] with a dash of [[Order of the Stick]] thrown in for good measure) and entire published campaigns called Adventure Paths set in that world. The setting is both good and total shit at the same time, no better than any decent [[gamemaster]] can come up with on their own, and tends to include more annoying politics as time's gone on. As far as the mechanics, it's [[skub\|divisive]] to say the least. It doubles down on 3.5 in almost every way (hence why it's often referred to as 3.PF), so if you liked 3.5 for its options and crunch, you'll probably like Pathfinder even more. On the other hand, if you disliked 3.5 for its bloat and poor balance, you'll probably hate Pathfinder.		Noted for the mishmash campaign world (which contains elements [[Blood_Ravens\|lifted]] from pretty much everything, ever, from real-world history to crappy pulp Sci-Fi to [[Lord of the Rings\|LotR]] with a dash of [[Order of the Stick]] thrown in for good measure) and entire published campaigns called Adventure Paths set in that world. The setting is both good and total shit at the same time, no better than any decent [[gamemaster]] can come up with on their own, and tends to include more annoying politics as time's gone on. As far as the mechanics, it's [[skub\|divisive]] to say the least. It doubles down on 3.5 in almost every way (hence why it's often referred to as 3.PF), so if you liked 3.5 for its options and crunch, you'll probably like Pathfinder even more. On the other hand, if you disliked 3.5 for its bloat and poor balance, you'll probably hate Pathfinder.

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	{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|Pathfinder Team}}		{{Disambiguation\|the Roleplaying game made by Paizo\|weeb infantry unit\|Pathfinder Team}}

	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to [[grognard\|stick to the old edition]], but realized it still needed to be fixed.

	Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.		Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.

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	When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.		When [[4E\|''D&D'' 4th edition]] was announced it was immediately rejected with a lot of [[butthurt\|negative feelings]] by a rather large number of [[neckbeards\|people]]. Realizing a lot of [[Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition\|3]] and 3.5 [[Splatbook\|material]] would suddenly become mostly useless and that [[WotC\|Wizards]] would be making a significantly different game, [[Paizo\|Paizo Publishing]] decided to cash in on the 4th edition naysayers and appeal to the people who wanted to stick to the old edition, but realized it still needed to be fixed.

	Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.		Thus the '''''Pathfinder Roleplaying Game''''' came about, usually called ''D&D'' 3.75 or 3.PF or ''Mathfinder'' due to the fact that it largely resembles 3.5's [[d20 System\|ruleset]] but with various non-drastic updates, fixes and changes. Notably, grappling now more closely resembles something that might almost be called "sense" (gasp!) and [[Half-orcs]] and [[Half-elves]] don't suck anymore. Spellcasters are just as crazy as ever once they've got a few levels in them, while melee classes, generally speaking, got buffed across the board. Not enough to make them outshine the wizards, but take what you can get. This is assuming that your [[DM]] isn't a newfag incapable of compensating.

	Noted for the mishmash campaign world (which contains elements [[Blood_Ravens\|lifted]] from pretty much everything, ever, from real-world history to crappy pulp Sci-Fi to [[Lord of the Rings\|LotR]] with a dash of [[Order of the Stick]] thrown in for good measure) and entire published campaigns called Adventure Paths set in that world. The setting is both good and total shit at the same time, no better than any decent [[gamemaster]] can come up with on their own, and tends to include more annoying politics as time's gone on. As far as the mechanics, it's [[skub\|divisive]] to say the least. It doubles down on 3.5 in almost every way (hence why it's often referred to as 3.PF), so if you liked 3.5 for its options and crunch, you'll probably like Pathfinder even more. On the other hand, if you disliked 3.5 for its bloat and poor balance, you'll probably hate Pathfinder.		Noted for the mishmash campaign world (which contains elements [[Blood_Ravens\|lifted]] from pretty much everything, ever, from real-world history to crappy pulp Sci-Fi to [[Lord of the Rings\|LotR]] with a dash of [[Order of the Stick]] thrown in for good measure) and entire published campaigns called Adventure Paths set in that world. The setting is both good and total shit at the same time, no better than any decent [[gamemaster]] can come up with on their own, and tends to include more annoying politics as time's gone on. As far as the mechanics, it's [[skub\|divisive]] to say the least. It doubles down on 3.5 in almost every way (hence why it's often referred to as 3.PF), so if you liked 3.5 for its options and crunch, you'll probably like Pathfinder even more. On the other hand, if you disliked 3.5 for its bloat and poor balance, you'll probably hate Pathfinder.