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	**'''Assault Intercessors:''' Take an Intercessor and swap out the bolt rifle for a heavy bolt pistol and chainsword. Now if only they had jump packs...		**'''Assault Intercessors:''' Take an Intercessor and swap out the bolt rifle for a heavy bolt pistol and chainsword. Now if only they had jump packs...
	**'''Heavy Intercessors:''' Gravis-armored Intercessors with bigger bolt rifles (in three different flavors) and the potential to swap them out for Heavy Bolters, similar to a Devastator Marine squad.		**'''Heavy Intercessors:''' Gravis-armored Intercessors with bigger bolt rifles (in three different flavors) and the potential to swap them out for Heavy Bolters, similar to a Devastator Marine squad.
	*'''[[Inceptor\|Inceptors:]]''' Inceptors are the <strike>[[Assault Marines]] equivalent</strike> drop troops of the Primaris Marines and are equipped with a new pattern of [[Jump Pack]]s, two Assault Bolters, which are basically sawn off Heavy Bolters, a pair of hand-portable Plasma Cannons, and a pair of [[Derp\|absolutely ridiculous-looking shoe-shovels.]] Unlike Assault Squads, the Inceptors' focus is on firepower and a pseudo Hammer of Wrath. This makes them closer in role to Assault Bikes as a fast moving strafing unit and harasser. They lack melee weapons of any kind; this doesn't mean they can't fight in melee, as their sheer weight allows them to crush their enemies to death, and they still have the statline of "normal" Primaris marines along with being even tougher to hurt, making them not completely useless in a scrap. Don't get it in your head that their melee ability is "good", though, or even decent, and only engage in melee if you have to; they do far better blowing things into tiny pieces.		*'''[[Inceptor\|Inceptors:]]''' Inceptors are the <strike>[[Assault Marines]] equivalent</strike> drop troops of the Primaris Marines and are equipped with a new pattern of [[Jump Pack]]s, two Assault Bolters, which are basically sawn off Heavy Bolters, a pair of hand-portable Plasma Cannons, and a pair of [[Derp\|<s>absolutely ridiculous-looking shoe-shovels</s>]] shock absorbers for hard landings. Unlike Assault Squads, the Inceptors' focus is on firepower and a pseudo Hammer of Wrath. This makes them closer in role to Assault Bikes as a fast moving strafing unit and harasser. They lack melee weapons of any kind; this doesn't mean they can't fight in melee, as their sheer weight allows them to crush their enemies to death, and they still have the statline of "normal" Primaris marines along with being even tougher to hurt, making them not completely useless in a scrap. Don't get it in your head that their melee ability is "good", though, or even decent, and only engage in melee if you have to; they do far better blowing things into tiny pieces.
	*'''[[Hellblaster\|Hellblasters:]]''' Hellblasters are Primaris Marines who make Flash Gitz green(er) with envy. They use [[Plasma#Plasma Incinerator\|Plasma Incinerators]], enhanced Plasma Guns with longer range and armor piercing ability. Aside from that, there's nothing special about them as compared to "regular" Primaris marines. Very expensive and vulnerable to strong weapons, but they fuck up TEQs and can pose a threat to vehicles if they can get into Rapid Fire range, though outside of said range it's not as suicidal to unload a charged volley, so they can threaten vehicles there, too. Also, with the changes to how cover works, they are terrifying against cover campers. With how big a fire magnet these guys are, if you get these guys close to an expensive or dangerous vehicle or multiwound TEQs feel free to HELLBLAST them into oblivion in a suicide barrage. (That is, IF they're at risk of being wiped out or swarmed.)		*'''[[Hellblaster\|Hellblasters:]]''' Hellblasters are Primaris Marines who make Flash Gitz green(er) with envy. They use [[Plasma#Plasma Incinerator\|Plasma Incinerators]], enhanced Plasma Guns with longer range and armor piercing ability. Aside from that, there's nothing special about them as compared to "regular" Primaris marines. Very expensive and vulnerable to strong weapons, but they fuck up TEQs and can pose a threat to vehicles if they can get into Rapid Fire range, though outside of said range it's not as suicidal to unload a charged volley, so they can threaten vehicles there, too. Also, with the changes to how cover works, they are terrifying against cover campers. With how big a fire magnet these guys are, if you get these guys close to an expensive or dangerous vehicle or multiwound TEQs feel free to HELLBLAST them into oblivion in a suicide barrage. (That is, IF they're at risk of being wiped out or swarmed.)
	*'''[[Bike Squad#Primaris Outriders\|Outriders:]]''' Primaris Bikers. The [[White Scars\|White Scars']] dream come true.		*'''[[Bike Squad#Primaris Outriders\|Outriders:]]''' Primaris Bikers. The [[White Scars\|White Scars']] dream come true.

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1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* Forces of the Primaris Marines */

2023-05-26T23:13:22Z

Forces of the Primaris Marines

107.127.39.20: /* The Community Reaction and GW's Handling */

2023-05-13T20:42:23Z

The Community Reaction and GW's Handling

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	As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else, resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.		As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else, resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.

	As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things). 10th Edition ~~would go~~ the way of blurring the lines between Firstborn and Primaris, with Terminator armour being fluffed as being usable by Primaris, several of the old transports originally deemed unusable like the humble Drop Pod now being given the greenlight for the new boyz, and ~~the~~ outright replacing of the old Firstborn Sternguard with Primaris Sternguard. Since we still have no clue what this means for more Firstborn-focused roles like the Tactical Squad or Devastator Squad, we're still up in the air on whether or not this is the final death knell.		As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things).

			10th Edition is going the way of blurring the lines between Firstborn and Primaris, with Terminator armour being fluffed as being usable by Primaris, several of the old transports originally deemed unusable like the humble Drop Pod now being given the greenlight for the new boyz, and outright replacing of the old Firstborn Sternguard with Primaris Sternguard. Since we still have no clue what this means for more Firstborn-focused roles like the Tactical Squad or Devastator Squad, we're still up in the air on whether or not this is the final death knell.

	Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.		Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.

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The Community Reaction and GW's Handling

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	As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else, resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.		As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else, resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.

	As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things). 10th Edition would go the way of blurring the lines between Firstborn and Primaris, with Terminator armour being fluffed as being usable by Primaris, ~~as are~~ several of the transports originally deemed unusable like the humble Drop Pod. Since we still have no clue what this means for more Firstborn-focused roles like the Tactical Squad or Devastator Squad, we're still up in the air on whether or not this is the final death knell.		As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things). 10th Edition would go the way of blurring the lines between Firstborn and Primaris, with Terminator armour being fluffed as being usable by Primaris, several of the old transports originally deemed unusable like the humble Drop Pod now being given the greenlight for the new boyz, and the outright replacing of the old Firstborn Sternguard with Primaris Sternguard. Since we still have no clue what this means for more Firstborn-focused roles like the Tactical Squad or Devastator Squad, we're still up in the air on whether or not this is the final death knell.

	Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.		Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.

1d4chan>ThatOneBruvva: /* The Community Reaction and GW's Handling */

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The Community Reaction and GW's Handling

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	There has also been the problem with balance. At the beginning of 8th edition, 2 wound troops were relatively tough to shift and with their generally longer range weaponry, they became the king of gun-lining very quickly. Impulsors have an assload of guns and could theoretically challenge anything, including fliers. Hellblasters became a favorite of absolutely everyone for their ability to delete MEQs, TEQs, and even light vehicles in a single volley. On the flipside, more expensive Marines were having trouble shifting the early 8th edition horde meta, and would often just get pushed off objectives. The relative lack of melee options was a sticking point for both fluffy and crunchy players. For a while Primaris were seen as soup ingredients, with a good half their range sitting on the shelf for most players... then Codex: Space Marine 8.5 released, in which all semblance of Primaris units being balanced went out the window. Doctrines (which also affected Firstborn) increased the overall killing power of Primaris weapons. Aggressors were one of the most common uber units as in 8.5 they gained an extra wound, becoming T5 3W infantry, that could vomit out copious amount of fire resulting in the situation of them being able to wipe out multiple enemy units at range while taking relatively few casualties in return. In addition multiple Primaris units got their own unique rules that seemed like they were specifically designed to fuck with their opponents, which for many felt like a deviation from how marines traditionally played and some argued that the Primaris marines were stepping on other armies toes, [[Eldar\|by both stealing their play style]] and [[Tyranids\|taking resources away from their armies,]] [[Orks\|many of which could have used new releases and updates.]] The last half of 8th edition was Marine-dominated, and many fa/tg/uys would refuse play against Primaris/Primaris heavy armies.		There has also been the problem with balance. At the beginning of 8th edition, 2 wound troops were relatively tough to shift and with their generally longer range weaponry, they became the king of gun-lining very quickly. Impulsors have an assload of guns and could theoretically challenge anything, including fliers. Hellblasters became a favorite of absolutely everyone for their ability to delete MEQs, TEQs, and even light vehicles in a single volley. On the flipside, more expensive Marines were having trouble shifting the early 8th edition horde meta, and would often just get pushed off objectives. The relative lack of melee options was a sticking point for both fluffy and crunchy players. For a while Primaris were seen as soup ingredients, with a good half their range sitting on the shelf for most players... then Codex: Space Marine 8.5 released, in which all semblance of Primaris units being balanced went out the window. Doctrines (which also affected Firstborn) increased the overall killing power of Primaris weapons. Aggressors were one of the most common uber units as in 8.5 they gained an extra wound, becoming T5 3W infantry, that could vomit out copious amount of fire resulting in the situation of them being able to wipe out multiple enemy units at range while taking relatively few casualties in return. In addition multiple Primaris units got their own unique rules that seemed like they were specifically designed to fuck with their opponents, which for many felt like a deviation from how marines traditionally played and some argued that the Primaris marines were stepping on other armies toes, [[Eldar\|by both stealing their play style]] and [[Tyranids\|taking resources away from their armies,]] [[Orks\|many of which could have used new releases and updates.]] The last half of 8th edition was Marine-dominated, and many fa/tg/uys would refuse play against Primaris/Primaris heavy armies.

	As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.		As of the release of 9th, GW has rebalanced Marines to tried to bring other armies new codex's in line with Space Marine, however two new Primaris units the [[Intercessor\|Heavy Intercessors]], and [[Eradicator]]s have both proved to be exceptionally strong units all on their own and quite possibly the strongest Troop and Heavy Support choice in the entire game at the moment. GW's solution to fixing marines in general wasn't taking things away from them, but adding more thing to everyone else, resulting in 9th edition suffering very badly from rules bloat.

	As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things).		As for the Firstborn going the way of the dodo? GeeDubs seems to be holding off on that, releases have been kind of schizophrenic. Things alternate between waves of nothing but Primaris (a whole box set dedicated to [[Bike_Squad#Primaris_Outriders\|Outriders]] and [[Bladeguard Veteran]]s) and some pats on the back for the Firstborn (lots of buffs for Terminators, and a 2021 re-release of the [[Stormhawk]] of all things). 10th Edition would go the way of blurring the lines between Firstborn and Primaris, with Terminator armour being fluffed as being usable by Primaris, as are several of the transports originally deemed unusable like the humble Drop Pod. Since we still have no clue what this means for more Firstborn-focused roles like the Tactical Squad or Devastator Squad, we're still up in the air on whether or not this is the final death knell.

	Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.		Nowadays /tg/ is partially split on the matter, those who like Primaris, those who still hate them, and those who have accepted them and build their lists to combat them.

2600:387:9:9:0:0:0:97: Primaris are a heated debate.

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Primaris are a heated debate.

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	[[File:New40KPrimarisArt1.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Look out Chaos, there's a new kid on the block.]]		[[File:New40KPrimarisArt1.jpg\|300px\|thumb\|right\|Look out Chaos, there's a new kid on the block.]]
	{{Topquote\|They were forged for Mankind's darkest hour, and that hour is upon us.\|[[Roboute Guilliman]]}}		{{Topquote\|They were forged for Mankind's darkest hour, and that hour is upon us.\|[[Roboute Guilliman]]}}

63.193.173.46: /* Initial /tg/ Concerns, and how things in 9E played out */

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Initial /tg/ Concerns, and how things in 9E played out

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	* Cawl’s work isn’t always perfect, and his arrogance gives him a tendency to overreach. This is exemplified in Alpha Primus, the first and prototype Primaris Marine, who seems to be Cawl’s heretical attempt at making his own Primarch (see the Magnificat, above), and has since been relegated to being the archmagos' bodyguard. He’s so giant that he towers over even other Primaris, is an extremely powerful psyker, and is described as “more gifted” than any other Astartes. He also exists in a constant state of pain, both physical and mental, which gives him a personality that Marvin the Paranoid Android would find tedious, and he’s nominally considered a failure. He even has a stitched-together face to reinforce the parallels with Frankenstein’s Monster (the original, highly intelligent but extremely emo one). Whether the Primaris as a whole will eventually turn out to be a more subtle example of Cawl’s overreach is an open question. Most Primaris dismiss this concern as they believe Guilliman would immediately execute Cawl if he attempted to create a Primarch and that even Cawl isn't willing to push his luck that far.		* Cawl’s work isn’t always perfect, and his arrogance gives him a tendency to overreach. This is exemplified in Alpha Primus, the first and prototype Primaris Marine, who seems to be Cawl’s heretical attempt at making his own Primarch (see the Magnificat, above), and has since been relegated to being the archmagos' bodyguard. He’s so giant that he towers over even other Primaris, is an extremely powerful psyker, and is described as “more gifted” than any other Astartes. He also exists in a constant state of pain, both physical and mental, which gives him a personality that Marvin the Paranoid Android would find tedious, and he’s nominally considered a failure. He even has a stitched-together face to reinforce the parallels with Frankenstein’s Monster (the original, highly intelligent but extremely emo one). Whether the Primaris as a whole will eventually turn out to be a more subtle example of Cawl’s overreach is an open question. Most Primaris dismiss this concern as they believe Guilliman would immediately execute Cawl if he attempted to create a Primarch and that even Cawl isn't willing to push his luck that far.
	** In case someone wants to ask if there's something he can't just make better, 10th Edition revealed one: [[Terminator Armor]]. Apparently it's just too good that he can't do anything with it aside from retrofit it to make it wearable for Primaris Marines.		** In case someone wants to ask if there's something he can't just make better, 10th Edition revealed one: [[Terminator \|Terminator Armor]]. Apparently it's just too good that he can't do anything with it aside from retrofit it to make it wearable for Primaris Marines. So we assume that first company Primaris are either Terminators or [[Bladeguard Veteran\|Bladeguard Veterans]].

	* Many sources point to the Primaris being seen as greenhorns by many of their adopted Chapters, but this issue has also been ironed over by time. Even the most recalcitrant Chapter like the [[Dark Angels]], while not exactly won over initially, now see that the Primaris have their strategic and tactical uses, and its only really the Chapters' traditions that keep them from being fully integrated. While it will probably still be a few more centuries before the number of Primaris that become, say, part of the [[Deathwing]], increase to more than a handful, as shown again by the Wolfspear the Primaris have more than proved their worth by this point.		* Many sources point to the Primaris being seen as greenhorns by many of their adopted Chapters, but this issue has also been ironed over by time. Even the most recalcitrant Chapter like the [[Dark Angels]], while not exactly won over initially, now see that the Primaris have their strategic and tactical uses, and its only really the Chapters' traditions that keep them from being fully integrated. While it will probably still be a few more centuries before the number of Primaris that become, say, part of the [[Deathwing]], increase to more than a handful, as shown again by the Wolfspear the Primaris have more than proved their worth by this point.

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	**'''[[Primaris Ancient#Bladeguard Ancient\|Bladeguard Ancient:]]''' Introduced in 9th Edition. The <s>flag</s> standard is now a skeletal effigy, also straight out of AOS (hello Lord Relictor!).		**'''[[Primaris Ancient#Bladeguard Ancient\|Bladeguard Ancient:]]''' Introduced in 9th Edition. The <s>flag</s> standard is now a skeletal effigy, also straight out of AOS (hello Lord Relictor!).
	*'''[[Primaris Apothecary\|Primaris Apothecary:]]''' A specialization of Primaris Marine first seen in artwork and promo photos, and now has rules and a model. Their left bracer appears to have a screen on it for monitoring lifesigns, and they have a pistol with a reductor built into it for geneseed removal (and the occasional puncturing of enemy skulls). The Narthecium attached to a <s>cyberdong</s> mechadendrite on the Apothecary's back.		*'''[[Primaris Apothecary\|Primaris Apothecary:]]''' A specialization of Primaris Marine first seen in artwork and promo photos, and now has rules and a model. Their left bracer appears to have a screen on it for monitoring lifesigns, and they have a pistol with a reductor built into it for geneseed removal (and the occasional puncturing of enemy skulls). The Narthecium attached to a <s>cyberdong</s> mechadendrite on the Apothecary's back.
			**'''Apothecary Biologis:''' A Gravis-armoured variant. Don't come with a reductor-pistol, but they do carry a vault for storing vital specimens.
	*'''Primaris Techmarine:''' One of them acts as the pintle gunner for the Repulsor Tank, another can pilot the Firestrike Servo-Turret. 9th Edition finally decided to give them an individual model, armed with a back-pack mounted heavy bolter (see [[Tor Garadon]] and [[Malkaan Feirros]] except in Tactictus armor) and a servo-arm.		*'''Primaris Techmarine:''' One of them acts as the pintle gunner for the Repulsor Tank, another can pilot the Firestrike Servo-Turret. 9th Edition finally decided to give them an individual model, armed with a back-pack mounted heavy bolter (see [[Tor Garadon]] and [[Malkaan Feirros]] except in Tactictus armor) and a servo-arm.
	** It is possible that the shoulder gun is an Assault Bolter instead of a Heavy Bolter. As seen in the announcement video, it's stubbier and has the same box magazine as the Assault Bolter. Plus this guy is in basic Mk. X - Feirros in Gravis armor has a Heavy Bolter so this may also serve to differentiate the two. Just something to keep in mind.		** It is possible that the shoulder gun is an Assault Bolter instead of a Heavy Bolter. As seen in the announcement video, it's stubbier and has the same box magazine as the Assault Bolter. Plus this guy is in basic Mk. X - Feirros in Gravis armor has a Heavy Bolter so this may also serve to differentiate the two. Just something to keep in mind.
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	*'''[[Eradicator\|Eradicators:]]''' Gravis-armored Primaris wielding Meltaguns. As rifles. And they can take Multi-Meltas too. The [[Fire Dragons]] called, they want their gimmick back.		*'''[[Eradicator\|Eradicators:]]''' Gravis-armored Primaris wielding Meltaguns. As rifles. And they can take Multi-Meltas too. The [[Fire Dragons]] called, they want their gimmick back.
	*'''[[Desolation Squad\|Desolators]]:''' 2023 saw that the Primaris finally got access to new missile launchers, complete with Super-Frag and Super-Krak missiles. If the Eradicators were Fire Dragons, then the Desolators are the Primaris [[Dark Reapers]]. Unlike the Dark Reapers, they also have a castellan launcher that allows them to provide indirect fire support as well.		*'''[[Desolation Squad\|Desolators]]:''' 2023 saw that the Primaris finally got access to new missile launchers, complete with Super-Frag and Super-Krak missiles. If the Eradicators were Fire Dragons, then the Desolators are the Primaris [[Dark Reapers]]. Unlike the Dark Reapers, they also have a castellan launcher that allows them to provide indirect fire support as well.
			*'''[[Infernus\|Infernus Squad]]:''' 10th Edition's new squad, entirely equipped with Pyreblasters that were first seen in the ranks of the [[Black Templars]].
	*'''[[Redemptor Dreadnought\|Redemptor Dreadnought:]]''' For no matter how great and glorious they may be, [[Grimdark\|in the grim future even they are not immortal]]. Though how enough of these brand spanking-new Space Marines were curbstomped just enough to warrant Dreadnought status, we'll (probably) never know (hundreds of thousands of Primaris fighting in the over a century long Indomitus Crusade may be the answer). Times be desperate, yo. Probably because they're so hard to kill that just about all of them that couldn't be saved are made dread-ful.		*'''[[Redemptor Dreadnought\|Redemptor Dreadnought:]]''' For no matter how great and glorious they may be, [[Grimdark\|in the grim future even they are not immortal]]. Though how enough of these brand spanking-new Space Marines were curbstomped just enough to warrant Dreadnought status, we'll (probably) never know (hundreds of thousands of Primaris fighting in the over a century long Indomitus Crusade may be the answer). Times be desperate, yo. Probably because they're so hard to kill that just about all of them that couldn't be saved are made dread-ful.
	**'''[[Brutalis Dreadnought]]:''' The Furioso version of the above for when you really need to rip a tank a new one.		**'''[[Brutalis Dreadnought]]:''' The Furioso version of the above for when you really need to rip a tank a new one.
			**'''[[Ballistus Dreadnought]]:''' The Hellfire version of the above if you really need all the firepower.
	*'''[[Repulsor_Tank\|Repulsor:]]''' The Repulsor is the standard transport and/or tank (<s>nobody's entirely sure yet</s> technically it's an Infantry Fighting Vehicle, as the Yanks say, just like the Razorback: designed to carry infantry and then provide heavier direct fire to support them) of the Primaris Marines. Which is good for them, because they can't go inside standard Space Marine transports, including ones that can hold Terminators, Centurions, and (in 30k) even fucking ''Primarchs.'' There must be [[Profit\|some mysterious force surpassing even the Emperor]] blocking the door - which also blocks the door on this thing if you try to convince a ''non''-Primaris to go inside. Being a floating [[METAL BOXES\|Metal Box]], it might be considered the spiritual successor to the [[Grav-Rhino]], if you covered said Grav-Rhino with missile pods everywhere, including on its rear and sides, put twin-linked lascannon in the front hull, and gave it what looks like a [[Fail\|heavy stubber]] as a coaxial gun to go with the turret lascannon and pintle-mounted Gatling gun.		*'''[[Repulsor_Tank\|Repulsor:]]''' The Repulsor is the standard transport and/or tank (<s>nobody's entirely sure yet</s> technically it's an Infantry Fighting Vehicle, as the Yanks say, just like the Razorback: designed to carry infantry and then provide heavier direct fire to support them) of the Primaris Marines. Which is good for them, because they can't go inside standard Space Marine transports, including ones that can hold Terminators, Centurions, and (in 30k) even fucking ''Primarchs.'' There must be [[Profit\|some mysterious force surpassing even the Emperor]] blocking the door - which also blocks the door on this thing if you try to convince a ''non''-Primaris to go inside. Being a floating [[METAL BOXES\|Metal Box]], it might be considered the spiritual successor to the [[Grav-Rhino]], if you covered said Grav-Rhino with missile pods everywhere, including on its rear and sides, put twin-linked lascannon in the front hull, and gave it what looks like a [[Fail\|heavy stubber]] as a coaxial gun to go with the turret lascannon and pintle-mounted Gatling gun.
	**'''[[Repulsor Tank#Repulsor Executioner\|Repulsor Executioner:]]''' Now the Repulsor is <s>an ACTUAL battle tank</s> still an IFV, and is incredibly well kitted out while still maintaining some transport capacity.		**'''[[Repulsor Tank#Repulsor Executioner\|Repulsor Executioner:]]''' Now the Repulsor is <s>an ACTUAL battle tank</s> still an IFV, and is incredibly well kitted out while still maintaining some transport capacity.